DUST Search - New SP cost increases. Fair? or Unfair?

bolsh lee wrote:

SUGAR-BOO-BOO wrote:

It is simple.

This is so CCP can make more money through micro-transactions by all you fools buying Boosters.

It's a profit margin thing. Not a game thing.

Im sure its a profit thing but I don't blame em really, it also lengthens the game for new and old players.. If they do this again then sure that would be ridiculous but this is "official launch" the majorority of the veteran players knew this was going to happen .. Especially when we are sitting at 11m SP and me personally having proto suit,AR and MD and not caring to spec into anything else was kind of sad for a game as big as Dust is going to be..

So, is it fair ? I think so, because its not our fault those "new players" didn't jump on board earlier and support the game like us veterans have.. Sure I feel sorry for em but the ones I personally know I warned em and begged for them to at least keep their passive booster alive for a time like this when the game was going to improve.. Regardless how you spin it there is still a large gear gap between new and old players but this is how a persistent/MMOish shooter works... CCP needs to make sure match making works and proto is a rare and expensive thing to see on the field of pub matches..


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Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 184	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:01:00 - [1] - Quote Ive read it all and basically almost every skill is getting upped by a multiplier or two. Dropsuits are going from a x8 skill to a x10, this means from level 1 to level 5 your going to spend about another 600k sp. (2.5million to 3.1 million). The core electronics/engineering skill is getting bumped up from a x1 skill to a x6 skill...... (another 1.2 million). Weapons are staying the same I believe, but weapon upgrade skills seemed to be bumped up too...... (considering there isn't an "overarching" sharpshooter anymore, each weapon has its own specific sharpshooter/other upgrades). I have about 10,500,000 SP because I missed two weeks of this beta, so I don't have as much as I could, but 10 mill is still a lot. After reading the dev blogs and everything..... it feels like a lot less. It forces specialization for sure, but many view it as a pointless SP sink due to a lack of new content. Personally I feel the SP increases (while annoying) are fine, it slows down progression but increases player specialization. what do you guys think? I think its fair.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 184	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:08:00 - [2] - Quote Winscar Shinobi wrote: I think people who don't play this game like a religion are ******. Unless everyone's in PC and not pub stomping Hmmm..... you might be right. Someone with 3 million SP wont compare to someone like me with 10 million, and even I would have trouble fighting those with about 13 million right now (assuming they specialize), but will have to see. I really don't think PC is going to pull that many people out of pub matches.... I mean think about it. Each district is vulnerable to attack one time a day for one hour. For that one hour 32 people are going to be pulled from pub matches to defend/attack districts. The more districts there are the more people that could potentially get pulled from pub matches. But I mean...... PC is VERY expensive and the likelihood that a significant amount of people with high SP will be playing PC all the time is..... well unlikely to atleast me. but who knows, maybe PC will be a lot more common then I thought it was.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 184	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:09:00 - [3] - Quote Xender17 wrote: SUGAR-BOO-BOO wrote: It is simple. This is so CCP can make more money through micro-transactions by all you fools buying Boosters. It's a profit margin thing. Not a game thing. Free game. boosters aren't free. Because of the increased SP requirements people will be more inclined to buy SP boosters which costs real life money. Ive put over 80$ into this game in the last 7 months so I mean...... lol SP increase = profit.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 184	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:11:00 - [4] - Quote Llan Heindell wrote: General Tiberius1 wrote: hurts new players the most, therefore is bad. free to play game, people wont stick around if it feels like a grind I disagree with the new players being hurt, because the requirement for the itens aren't that high, therefore allowingnew players to get into a basic suit and still been able to contribute to the team as hardcore players won't have a way to truly stomp them. If they have playerskill to compensate obviously. Llan Heindell. i'd like to see somebody in a basic suit not get stomped by me in my proto suit/ proto gun this Monday....... sure theres counters to everything and Skill/ gun game is a factor too, but will see.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 184	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:14:00 - [5] - Quote slypie11 wrote: I think they should have held off until they had matchmaking down. This will worsen pub stomps think of it as a ratio man, sure the people with less SP will get less, but that applys to people with more SP as well. Lets put it this way. Before you had your proto hardcore player stomp the adv level casual player. Now because its increased SP requirements it will be ADV level hardcore player stomping a standard level casual player. Same constant, just a few different variables, make sense?
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 185	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:39:00 - [6] - Quote Atticus Wolf wrote: When this game goes live on the 14th and after there is going to be a lot of people that just start the game and have zero skill points. I think this move is catering to those people who already have skill points and ccp wants to put some speed bumps up but those people who just join with zero are going to look at this as a huge mountain to climb and will drop out potentially. New players will not have a place in planetary conquest for a long time because they would need to be competitive with proto everything Not really........ Lets say that on the 14th 100,000 more active players sign on with zero SP, sure you'd have the original 10k guys who have there proto gear and everything, but the new 100,000 will "dilute" the "hardcore player concentration" this in itself will help balance matches out. ALSO, your working under the assumption that Corp matches will ALWAYS be full proto gear matches. That simply wont be the case. Sure it might be for a little bit, but as more and more people join, and corporations get more and more land, the demand for characters with proto level skills will increase to the point of capsizing the supply of them. In short, as more people join, the less necessary proto level gear will be in order to succeed. Soon your going to have corp battles with half proto gear and Advanced gear, then as the player count gets bigger that'll drop to two or three guys with proto gear, the rest using standard/adv gear. Lol, you might even get walmart brand mercs were they will let corps hire them for dirt cheap, but they'll only use standard/militia gear to compensate for that. You guys will see how it goes in the future. who knows I could be wayyyyy off too.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 185	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:42:00 - [7] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: SUGAR-BOO-BOO wrote: It is simple. This is so CCP can make more money through micro-transactions by all you fools buying Boosters. It's a profit margin thing. Not a game thing. Im sure its a profit thing but I don't blame em really, it also lengthens the game for new and old players.. If they do this again then sure that would be ridiculous but this is "official launch" the majorority of the veteran players knew this was going to happen .. Especially when we are sitting at 11m SP and me personally having proto suit,AR and MD and not caring to spec into anything else was kind of sad for a game as big as Dust is going to be.. So, is it fair ? I think so, because its not our fault those "new players" didn't jump on board earlier and support the game like us veterans have.. Sure I feel sorry for em but the ones I personally know I warned em and begged for them to at least keep their passive booster alive for a time like this when the game was going to improve.. Regardless how you spin it there is still a large gear gap between new and old players but this is how a persistent/MMOish shooter works... CCP needs to make sure match making works and proto is a rare and expensive thing to see on the field of pub matches.. that's a respectable attitude, and I think I agree with you on that. Besides its not like newbs are totally helpless against older players. Good squad play OR specialization can close the gap rather quickly. Flux grenades fix shield tanking, normal grenades fix armor tanking...... and that sort of mentality is switching over to primary weapons soon in regards to the SR.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 185	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:43:00 - [8] - Quote xAckie wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I you should actually want to aspire to get to the top end of your profession. its got nothing to do with this. Its about extending the grind. I have no problem with increasing multipliers for next level skills. For core skills it makes no sense. it delays people getting on and enjoying the game. Its enjoyment that will create longevity, not an sp grind/ sink. I am pretty upset about circuitry and engineering being 6 times more expensive then it was...... but idk..... it is a pretty important skill to have so maybe we should have to put some SP into it??