1. Spec into heavy suits
2. Get a friend to spec into logi suits
3............
4. Profit!

I know what you are thinking. "Why should I need a second person to make my suit playable?" Because logi's need you just as much as you need them.

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I'm kinda finished with this whole heavies are worthless thing. Seeing and hearing heavies gonna switch roles to something else pretty much says it all.

But a serious question to the community...heavy haters and all. Was the damage nerf needed? I mean, I understand the range was part of all the "Heavies are OP" threads, but a damage nerf WITH a range nerf?!!

Seems overkill. We're talking about a minigun here basically. A dude in a fat suit, holding a ******* minigun. Let's forget about real life here for a second, cuz in real life those things have range.

Balance > Realism

The role is suppose to be defense / area denial / choke points. How is the role filled now, when the dmg and range has been nerfed? Can't an Assault player do the same job? Put down a nanohive, spam nades, and shoot his AR. Doesn't that seem viable? A logi can rep him the same way he can a heavy.

Just pointing out, that nerfing the damage on a HEAVY MACHINE GUN was not needed when the range was nerfed too. Yeah we got an HP buff... cool, but i would have gladly kept the same HP I have now if it meant I have the same dmg though, but w/e.

This is really disappointing. I guess all the haters can rejoice. I applaud your efforts on the forums. Game well played. I won't be making another thread on the matter. This disappointment only shows me that CCP doesn't care about heavies.

See you out there on the battlefield.

Oh, feel free to troll and laugh... I can use a couple good laughs

But a serious question to the community...heavy haters and all. Was the damage nerf needed? I mean, I understand the range was part of all the "Heavies are OP" threads, but a damage nerf WITH a range nerf?!!

Seems overkill. We're talking about a minigun here basically. A dude in a fat suit, holding a ******* minigun. Let's forget about real life here for a second, cuz in real life those things have range.

As a shotgun scout, I agree the dual impact of shorter range and lower damage is too much nerf. I think their range was a bit too long, as I get mowed down from 50m in a second. But lowering damage at the same time doesn't make sense.

One thing that hasn't received much attention is the rather huge change that sprint strafing is enabled in Uprising, which will make the lives of heavies even harder.

Gives random numbers, doesn't even understand what kind of impact those numbers make

Lol that is the dumbist thing ive ever read. On par with the patch notes

Do you have specific numbers? For all you know the range was nerfed by 1 meter and damage by 1 point. How about you wait til you play the build to decide what you think is OP and UP?

Can't tell if you were referring to my post or his.

Well let's do a little comparison now?
Standard SMG: 21.0 damage, 1000 ROF.
Standard HMG:16 damage, 2000 ROF.

A heavy weapon. That's right, a mobile installation, does less damage than a sidearm. I think that's a bit heavy on the nerf hammer.

P.S. Don't even try to argue either, i have the game pulled up right now
Now let's do an optimal scenario: Proto HMG Vs. Assault SMG.
Boundless HMG: 17.6 Damage. 2000 ROF. 35200 DPM
Assault SMG: 21.0 Damage: 1052.6 ROF. 22092 DPM
Regardless of DPS. Shouldn't a FLIPPIN MINIGUN do MORE than a GODDAMN MACHINE PISTOL?!!
AR Whiny babies. Like CCP "used" to like to say to you guys: Harden The Kitten Up.

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Well, to begin with, Balance>Realism, which I believe Lance has said so himself, so your argument in invalid, but just so you know a minigun in real life USUALLY (don't hate on me for special case scenarios, I said "usually") fires 9mm bullets, the same as MOST real-life SMGs, so it would make sense that it does roughly the same damage.

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Well, to begin with, Balance>Realism, which I believe Lance has said so himself, so your argument in invalid, but just so you know a minigun in real life USUALLY (don't hate on me for special case scenarios, I said "usually") fires 9mm bullets, the same as MOST real-life SMGs, so it would make sense that it does roughly the same damage.

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Well, to begin with, Balance>Realism, which I believe Lance has said so himself, so your argument in invalid, but just so you know a minigun in real life USUALLY (don't hate on me for special case scenarios, I said "usually") fires 9mm bullets, the same as MOST real-life SMGs, so it would make sense that it does roughly the same damage.

To the dumb one

My point is that the HMG losing 1 point of damage would affect it more than if say an AR lost 1 point of damage.
1 point of damage is 6.25% percent of the HMG's damage

I forget what the AR damage is, but I'm pretty sure it's 31
31 x 6.25 = 1.9375
31 - 1.9375 = 29.0625

So go, cut their base power and then tell them they're lucky all they lost is 6.25% percent, see if they don't flip out.

The same is true for the range. 1 HMG meter is not equal to 1 AR meter, at least not percentage wise.

CCP did go a little far with the nerf. There is no reason to nerf the HMG...both range nor damage. Wiithout the SS skill, the HMG range was fine.

I definitely don't agree ......and I don't like heavies

You want the forum to crash?!!!! The amount of crying that will be seen here would be stuff even EVE will take note of.

That does make sense actually lol

As a shotgun scout, I agree the dual impact of shorter range and lower damage is too much nerf. I think their range was a bit too long, as I get mowed down from 50m in a second. But lowering damage at the same time doesn't make sense.

One thing that hasn't received much attention is the rather huge change that sprint strafing is enabled in Uprising, which will make the lives of heavies even harder.

Think of it this way:
CoDboys have been QQing about everything, HAV, LAV, AV, Snipers, Mass Drivers, and Heavies... again... and again... and... you get the point. They have the advantage 1v1, your gun shoots spitballs and they can now (literally) run circles around you. Step up your game. They might have won the nerf war with their tears, but there are plenty of tears to be shed at their expense. Take your beloved role, your nerfed weapon, terrible turning speed and take the fight to them in game. With everything so much easier to these ARs now, dying to you will be the ultimate insult. Make a list of all the players you killed to show how much they suck because they still can't kill a heavy, even when the game makes it as easy as possible. From may 6th and onward, any AR Assault that can't solo a heavy sucks at Dust 514.

So Heavies have to play even harder while AR users can just easy mode their way though the game? Even the best heavies right now can't top the best AR users Kill wise. Their great range and excellent hip fire accuracy make ARs supremely good at killing things from all but the longest of ranges, While heavies with HMGs have to slowly, painfully, maneuver closer to enemies only to be swarmed by 3 or 4 guys with ARs because you light up like a nuke on everyone's minimap from a mile away.

So heavies are sidelined to being defense only. Which is what people want it sounds like.

You're missing my intended point. Don't let CCP appealing to the lowest denominator kill your love of variety. If the ARs want to nerf you to paper armor with spitball bullets. Fine! But this works two fold. As weak as you are now, killing an AR should be a slap to the face of them as everything is to their advantage now. So when they QQ to the forums about how heavies are still OP, everyone can tell them to HTFU!