Do you have specific numbers? For all you know the range was nerfed by 1 meter and damage by 1 point. How about you wait til you play the build to decide what you think is OP and UP?

Less range, lower base damage, AND the loss of two potential damage mods.

Sounds fair, right?

lol.

Yea, the HMG can go **** itself. There were already superior options, now it's just worthless. EVE is so lucky that it has a guy like soundwave who actually has a realistic idea of what things in his game actually do. This clearly isn't the case for Dust.

lol w/e man

Edit: they should bring down ARs to 29 damage per shot while they're at it.

Heavy is trash now.... cant wait to see the fat man eat flaylocks, lasers, scramblers, mass drivers.....

CCP logic = " so the heavy needs to be nerfed."
Other dev " why?"
"Well im not really sure why but apparently it can tickle people at 90 meters"
Other dev "huh... we could nerf range movement speed and dmg....."
" hey great idea! That way they cant shoot medium range, or deal mediocre dmg and they cant even move fast enough to engage people because they are slower...."
Other dev " yes.... I think we fixed it..."
" but dont you think they will be mad?"
Other dev " who cares most of our money comes from the AR assault player base... so screw the fatties."

That does make sense actually lol

Do you have specific numbers? For all you know the range was nerfed by 1 meter and damage by 1 point. How about you wait til you play the build to decide what you think is OP and UP?

Unnerf it CCP

Heavy solo != win.

Heavy in group or against vehicles == iWin button.


Heavies need to play their role and they will do just fine. Or perhaps... I dunno, maybe start doing AV? HP buff, HMG nerf... seems obvious to me. Tired of having to take up heavy slack and do AV myself as a glass cannon assault player.

1. Spec into heavy suits
2. Get a friend to spec into logi suits
3............
4. Profit!

I know what you are thinking. "Why should I need a second person to make my suit playable?" Because logi's need you just as much as you need them.

......?

As a shotgun scout, I agree the dual impact of shorter range and lower damage is too much nerf. I think their range was a bit too long, as I get mowed down from 50m in a second. But lowering damage at the same time doesn't make sense.

One thing that hasn't received much attention is the rather huge change that sprint strafing is enabled in Uprising, which will make the lives of heavies even harder.

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Well, to begin with, Balance>Realism, which I believe Lance has said so himself, so your argument in invalid, but just so you know a minigun in real life USUALLY (don't hate on me for special case scenarios, I said "usually") fires 9mm bullets, the same as MOST real-life SMGs, so it would make sense that it does roughly the same damage.

My point is that the HMG losing 1 point of damage would affect it more than if say an AR lost 1 point of damage.
1 point of damage is 6.25% percent of the HMG's damage

I forget what the AR damage is, but I'm pretty sure it's 31
31 x 6.25 = 1.9375
31 - 1.9375 = 29.0625

So go, cut their base power and then tell them they're lucky all they lost is 6.25% percent, see if they don't flip out.

The same is true for the range. 1 HMG meter is not equal to 1 AR meter, at least not percentage wise.

You goddamn idiot. I'm trying to skill up to use the Gastun's HMG. I already have the Ishukone forge gun. All of my arguments are in FAVOR of everything heavy-related.

If you weren't referring to me, then I apologize. Next time, quote who you're talking to.

With the HMG nerf.. I propose to only use forge guns.. Even against infantry. Nothing makes ppl rage more than seeing a militia forge gun killed you lol.

Boycott the HMG to show how bad they screwed up!!

Well I've been reading this long thread for a quite some time now with an analytical mind , guys, and you guys know that I like to analyse all possible information before going over board with a knee jerk reaction, boys and girls. Now everyone who knows me, know that I used to be a heavy last build, so I guess I you could say I know a thing or two about the topic. Now I've commented on a few heavy threads before and managed to calm the heavy community down (some people thought heavies will go extinct monday) a notch by explaining the raw logic behind the whole sharpshooter thing. Well, guys, let me hit you from the "Ric Barlom angle" here and maybe I can help you guys with some perspective on this whole issue.

Now first of all let me address this whole range nerf, and guys let's be exact here: We're talking about MAX range reduction here. Optimal range will still be the same. You see, most heavy dudes know that it's very hard to kill people at the maximum range with the HMG because of the bullet spread so this nerf will most likely have a very little effect on the battlefield situation. And oh yeah, it's still a nerf, I get it. Let's be honest though, not that of a big deal.

Now let's talk about that damage nerf. Well, guys, this is a bigger deal no question about it but I'd like to advice the heavy community to calm down a notch because let's be honest here, guys: We don't know the numbers. And let me tell you something else while I'm at it: we can look at the individual changes and get pissed off all we want, but until we see the bigger picture of how all of these different changes work together, we don't really know ****!

So guys I know we're all passionate about this game, and let me tell you there's not many people who are more passionate about this game than I am, but I'd suggest that we test these things out before we start planning protests and calling out CCP developers and game designers idiots and assholes! These guys are people too so let's give them a break because being a developer isn't a cake walk of a job anyways! Peace out!

the optimal range will not be changed, the optimal of the proto HMG will still be the same as the proto AR.
what is going to be reduced is the max. range aka falloff by a minor amount.

the damage nerf is also minor, you will be still doing the most dps up close. you will also still be the one with the most suit ehp and being able to carry a heavy weapon.

and what many people forget is that the cost of the suits and the weapons will be normalized, that means you will pay the same amount of isk as any other suit and you also get that much performance you paid for. you are not supposed to get more than you paid for. isk matters and is also a big factor in balance.

So you're saying currently my 250K proto suit means I have a tank? Pretty sure it has the same stats as a B- series.

So it's alright if my suit is over priced, but all of a sudden it's "you are not supposed to get more from less isk than everyone else"... double standards.

Again, using price as logic fails. They added 75 more HP to the suit, so that means my suit SHOULD cost 250K++ right? Your logic says I'm not suppose to get more for less ISK.

Well you might have a point there, 2ballz, perhaps this "R Bomb" like I tend to call my more analytical posts, is more suited to one of the other threads, man. And to answer your question if it was a right thing to do to nerf the HMG in two different ways at the same time, man, well let me hit you from a different angle here: I don't know because we haven't tested the build. You see, br, it's the big picture that matters and not the individual changes so let's calm down and wait until we get to test things out. Pece out!

While CCP has a history of over reacting with their changes, many of their more careful balance changes have been successful too. We tend to focus on the **** ups though! Now in this case it all depends on the numbers on the damage nerf. And, 2ballz, I still think that the MAX range nerf won't be a big deal, and quite honestly, man, I'm pretty sure you think so too!

Hell yeah. +1

People complaining about nerfs on a patch where everything changed, laughable.

Llan Heindell.

Here is my opinion on the matter:
You don't know what you're talking about because you haven't yet played the patch.
Bring this thread back after may 6th. So you'll have some base to support your theory that heavies are terrible and bla bla.

Llan Heindell.