For now the FW battle rewards will match those of instant battles. We are looking into ways we can change this, things like if you fight for one faction continuously you gain standings and the standings affect your reward.

Yea but, theoretically....you will be fighting for your alliance or eve corp bonus....so, you may see adv level or higher gear because plahers want to win. More gear lost = higher payouts. I expect to see more corps playing those and not randoms. Payouts should be $300K at the low end.

They said for now the loot will be the same

So, FoxFour has verified HERE that the faction warfare rewards will be the same as Instant Battles.

This means that all of the problems with Instant Battle will now carry over into Faction Warfare.

With no clear bonus for WINNING, expect entire TEAMS of single corps/alliances derping around in militia fits and free LAVs with ZERO incentive to actually win matches. As a director of one of the largest corps in the game, this is what I have already instructed my comrades to expect to do/see in this game mode, and any other corps that don't have their heads up their rear ends will be doing the same.

I've been defending the mechanics of "everyone gets participation points" for Instant Battles under the premise that instant battles were designed for new players and that FW would surely have higher rewards that heavily favored the winners of each match. This would give players an INCENTIVE above simple participation points to move to FW and actually fight.

Unfortunately, with FW being announced as having the same payouts as instant battles, it turns out I was completely wrong.

If this isn't fixed, this game is screwed, plain and simple. This leaves the vast majority of the gameplay in a situation where winning doesn't matter, and the most effective way to make money is to lose as cheaply as possible.

Absolutely pathetic CCP.

I was EXTREMELY excited for the update, now with this single announcement I could hardly care less.

we don't care if you don't care.

jagoff, or qq. whichever you want.

it does seem like they are steering into this AFK thing, but damn if i cant move in this forum without hitting a couple panic buttons.

who brought all these panic buttons?

Didn't I make a thread talking about the issues of free militia gear in FW?

And people told me I was QQ'ing.

Now when the issue is a reality, how everyone sings a different tune.

Maybe you morons should've listened to me before this became a real problem. Now you get to suffer through it. Have fun.

Maybe we should all wait and see it happen before pressing all the panic buttons, we are talking about a thing that can be kept permanently and for the same reason you go AFK (read: potential) ppl will fight to get it (just in case that in some future it holds value) and ppl in militia will face someone who WANTS that piece of land they are holding, and if they are using militia, chances are they won't get to keep it.

On the other hand, you ain't expending 80M on some clones to attack a district and then fit em with militia gear, it saying GG before playing.

TL;DR: keep your hands away from the panic buttons, something might blow up.

Maybe we should all wait and see it happen before pressing all the panic buttons, we are talking about a thing that can be kept permanently and for the same reason you go AFK (read: potential) ppl will fight to get it (just in case that in some future it holds value) and ppl in militia will face someone who WANTS that piece of land they are holding, and if they are using militia, chances are they won't get to keep it.

On the other hand, you ain't expending 80M on some clones to attack a district and then fit em with militia gear, it saying GG before playing.

TL;DR: keep your hands away from the panic buttons, something might blow up.

Maybe we should all wait and see it happen before pressing all the panic buttons, we are talking about a thing that can be kept permanently and for the same reason you go AFK (read: potential) ppl will fight to get it (just in case that in some future it holds value) and ppl in militia will face someone who WANTS that piece of land they are holding, and if they are using militia, chances are they won't get to keep it.

On the other hand, you ain't expending 80M on some clones to attack a district and then fit em with militia gear, it saying GG before playing.

TL;DR: keep your hands away from the panic buttons, something might blow up.

He already said in that same post that real rewards for FW will be coming SoonTM.

Just gotta be paitent... that is the CCP way.

Yeah, "Soon(tm)". Meaning, the game will be playable in just another short 6-12 months. How hard is it to make the rewards NOT ******** up front?

Apparently for CCP: too hard.

You're apparently not familiar with the state of FW in Eve currently.

FW is for farming ISK, so 95% of FW Instant Battles will be populated with AFKers looking to farm ISK and salvage.

Honestly.. all FW is going to be is randomly generated corp matches with some isk reward.

You can pick sides... meaning Q syncing 2-3 squads from same corp will be rampant, and the only 'non-pubstomp' FW battles are gonna be corp vs corp q syncing.

Yeah, I have a feeling FW is gonna flop pretty quick.

How does eve isk farming equate to dust afk farming????

How does eve isk farming equate to dust afk farming????

Because, if your "incentive" is the alliance/corp bonus, the best way to game that incentive is to simply queue up 32 guys and throw the match. You make basically the same ISK for winning or losing, so who cares which side you pick? Everyone queues in, one side hacks the objectives, and then you have a militia gear demo derby until the MCC goes down.

next match.

When you AFK farm, you get ISK and Salvage in addition to the ill-gotten SP. FW in Eve is chock-full of farmers farming LP to convert to ISK.

Given how FW is going to be in Dust, it will only be a matter of time before everyone is just AFK farming ISK, Salvage and SP through FW. Especially if they can q-sync and have 32 guys in the same match all AFK farming (stay as long as you like, the designated capturer of the objectives will be paying enough attention to capture them at the right time to end the match before the next appointed time to q-sync).

Make no mistake, they will still be farming ISK, only they'll be AFK instead of in stabbed Merlins.

Well, if you fill a match with one corp then it doesn't matter to the rest of us because we won't be in the game watching you afk farm

Well, they can do that in instant battle....what would be the point in doing that in a fw match? Eve isk farming will be the incentive to play fw since they will gdt bonuses on eve side. There is no p then q with eve isk farming and fw dust afk farming

Because ideally, Eve corps are supposed to pay you for getting bonuses for them. I don't care about the eve side either. But if they are paying you then there is your incentive.

the first step into the deeper end of the poo

Also, Baal, please take it easy on the capitalizing whole words for emphasis thing.

Hmmmm....I don't really see the point in using Faction Warfare to AFK. I mean, why would anyone take the time to Squad up a full team of players to sit around a MCC. Isn't that something players generally do on their own? Or maybe with one other player if you are just in-game chatting it up. Besides most AFKers throw down drop uplinks and such hoping to get a few more points from naive randoms. How do you do that if your WHOLE team is AFKing together?

Maybe I am missing something. As to the point of playing Faction Warfare, my corp is just looking forward to play more organized players on a regular basis. Personally, I am leaving Instant Battles behind since I am tired the two choices...redlining the other team or getting redlined...that seems to dominate a mode designed just for random players. I think some folks underestimate the competitive nature of organized team play. Maybe I am the naive one, who knows. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. But I look forward to the chance to play with more of my friends and still get to earn some decent ISK and SP payouts...something that the old faction warfare system sorely lacked.

You neglect the fact that you can't determine who is on your team. It's no different from Instant battle, except it's FW.

And playing enjoyable matches against organised teams requires higher end gear which can't be maintained at a profit. So people grind pubs and take ISK out of their PC budget to play these organised matches?

Didn't I make a thread talking about the issues of free militia gear in FW?

And people told me I was QQ'ing.

Now when the issue is a reality, how everyone sings a different tune.

Maybe you morons should've listened to me before this became a real problem. Now you get to suffer through it. Have fun.

Most corps are not going to be so successful in PC that the revenue there will sustain operations on its own.

Don't deploy to the hotzone with what you are not willing to lose right?

huehuehuehue steppin' in the poo

Ok, but seriously, yes, this is a real issue and FW should be something more "real" than instant battles.

So next week we move from beta testing to gamma testing. Wonder when the full game will come out?

I am both an Eve and Dust player and I was hoping to make a difference in the conquests FW, and revel in the rewards. Damn.

If CCP do fix this they will have to make sure that by altering the pay outs that the average for winning and losing FW is the same as pub matches. Otherwise we could farm isk by stacking both sides of an FW match as a corp and just just switch side back and forth.

Eg. Say the average pub match win/loss payout is 200k isk. If you won a match, then lost a match you would make 400k in two matches. If FW gives say x3 for winning and x0.5 for losing then the average payouts would be 600k and 100k isk. If you won and lost a match in a row you would make 700k is in two matches. Our corp could then stack both sides have Team A caps all the points to speed up the win, and then we have free LAV races, dropship training, HAV conga lines ect. Next game Team A hangs around while Team B caps all the points.

So over a course of matches you are making an average of 350k isk per game. And the games are much shorter than pub skirmish, because with all points capped at the start the MCC dies quicker, so you are making even more per hour.

The payouts would need to be around x1.5 for a win and x0.25 for a loss, 300k and 50k isk.

Also, Baal, please take it easy on the capitalizing whole words for emphasis thing.

First off I do not think that randoms are going to play too much FW because they know the chances are that they will going up against organized teams.

What I do know is that my side will have a majority of SC players on it because we will now have the ability to queue-sync multiple Squads into the same battle, on the same side. Odds are the other side is going to be populated with like-minded players. Again I may be naive, but I don't need a lot of incentive to fight a good fight and the folks I roll with generally don't either. Win or lose, we like a challenge. We certainly expect FW to be more of a challenge than Instant Battles. If we get a few scrubs on our team, so be it. 'Dems the breaks...and we'll do our best to improvise, adapt and overcome.

I am not going to lose sight of the reason I am playing this game. It is to shoot people in the face and have fun doing it. I hope for the sake of the EVE players who care about FW on their side that something more meaningful is integrated into the game mode so they feel it is worth it. But the reality is if they are not fielding their own forces on the ground (shame on them) then that is an element of FW that will be out of their control. Then they will have to improvise, adapt and overcome that element of the gameplay on their end.

Sherman said it best..."War is hell".

I guess we will. Don't deploy to the hotzone with what you are not willing to lose right? Most corps are not going to be so successful in PC that the revenue there will sustain operations on its own. At least not in the beginning. I mean, I doubt everyone will be running proto gear but we'll certainly be running better gear. And like any match now you establish a budget going in based on what you figure you will earn when its all over. For some that might mean a few better suits and then a switch to blueprints.

I don't know what you want me to say. We are a smaller group. We are not going to have enough Districts to keep us occupied in the game all the time. Hell, we might get our butts handed to us and never get to hold any. So we are going the fight the fights we can, with whatever gear we can, and pay what we can afford. That might not work for other organizations but it works for us.

I'm afraid that the majority of the player base will be taking your advice. That's the point of the post. If there's no incentive to win battles, why bother playing?

You know what's wrong with games today? Your attitude.

Yes, yours. Your WoW carrot on a stick mentality where numbers and K/D ratios and seeing them go up is your only reason for caring. Peope like you are the reason why Call of Duty and all the rest got gear progression systems and killstreaks

People like you are the reason battlefield turned into a progression nightmare that takes WEEKS to get good stuff.

You want to steer this game better? Take your bullshit and go back to Call of Duty. That will make this game better.