DUST Search - Faction Warfare has same Rewards as Instant Battles (winning doesn't matter)

Gersh Raven beta wrote:

So next week we move from beta testing to gamma testing. Wonder when the full game will come out?

I am both an Eve and Dust player and I was hoping to make a difference in the conquests FW, and revel in the rewards. Damn.

If CCP do fix this they will have to make sure that by altering the pay outs that the average for winning and losing FW is the same as pub matches. Otherwise we could farm isk by stacking both sides of an FW match as a corp and just just switch side back and forth.

Eg. Say the average pub match win/loss payout is 200k isk. If you won a match, then lost a match you would make 400k in two matches. If FW gives say x3 for winning and x0.5 for losing then the average payouts would be 600k and 100k isk. If you won and lost a match in a row you would make 700k is in two matches. Our corp could then stack both sides have Team A caps all the points to speed up the win, and then we have free LAV races, dropship training, HAV conga lines ect. Next game Team A hangs around while Team B caps all the points.

So over a course of matches you are making an average of 350k isk per game. And the games are much shorter than pub skirmish, because with all points capped at the start the MCC dies quicker, so you are making even more per hour.

The payouts would need to be around x1.5 for a win and x0.25 for a loss, 300k and 50k isk.


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Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 806	Posted - 2013.05.03 22:30:00 - [1] - Quote Your reward is that you can now derp with 16 players on a team instead of just 8. I plan to take faction warfare seriously but it does seem strange that the first step into the deeper end of the poo does not offer more reward than instant battle. Well, except group derping. I wonder what EVE players can see from their side when they are fighting? Do they get to see which corporations are fighting on which districts? Is there any way for them to get a sense of who is trying to win and who is just messing around? My hope is that EVE players will soon be able to contribute ISK to faction war NPC contracts. If they could contribute (by making a taxed donation) to the militia of their choosing then that ISK could go toward battles and at least we will have a higher payout at the end of the match. I was hoping to concentrate on faction warfare in part because I expected a higher pay grade. I am not just fighting for Heth and Caldari. At the very least the base ISK reward per match should be higher. CCP continually say they are really concerned about the terrible mix of player in Instant Battle. But if there is nothing to draw players with more SP, experience and the ability to use better gear away from those battles then it does not look as if they are putting any effort toward doing anything to improve the player mix. It isn't so much that winning doesn't matter. Fighting in faction warfare itself doesn't matter. It is no different than instant battle. Unless you are a serious role playing fanatic. And there is no way that a corporation with even 60 or 70 active members will be able to give their players enough to do in planetary conquest. It could turn out to be more interesting than Instant Battle as is. But more ISK would be nice too.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 806	Posted - 2013.05.04 00:31:00 - [2] - Quote Spacetits CDXX wrote: Aighun wrote: the first step into the deeper end of the poo huehuehuehue steppin' in the poo Ok, but seriously, yes, this is a real issue and FW should be something more "real" than instant battles. Ha, oops. Typo. Meant pool. But I guess I'll just leave it there for the next person to step in.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 806	Posted - 2013.05.04 00:54:00 - [3] - Quote Gersh Raven beta wrote: So next week we move from beta testing to gamma testing. Wonder when the full game will come out? I am both an Eve and Dust player and I was hoping to make a difference in the conquests FW, and revel in the rewards. Damn. If CCP do fix this they will have to make sure that by altering the pay outs that the average for winning and losing FW is the same as pub matches. Otherwise we could farm isk by stacking both sides of an FW match as a corp and just just switch side back and forth. Eg. Say the average pub match win/loss payout is 200k isk. If you won a match, then lost a match you would make 400k in two matches. If FW gives say x3 for winning and x0.5 for losing then the average payouts would be 600k and 100k isk. If you won and lost a match in a row you would make 700k is in two matches. Our corp could then stack both sides have Team A caps all the points to speed up the win, and then we have free LAV races, dropship training, HAV conga lines ect. Next game Team A hangs around while Team B caps all the points. So over a course of matches you are making an average of 350k isk per game. And the games are much shorter than pub skirmish, because with all points capped at the start the MCC dies quicker, so you are making even more per hour. The payouts would need to be around x1.5 for a win and x0.25 for a loss, 300k and 50k isk. As far as I can tell, EG. above is exactly what faction warfare is all about. This should not be changed to make the payout the same as Instant Battle. And from what I have read there is a long history of EVE players doing this exact sort of thing in faction warfare. This would be a step in the right direction and would really help make the Dust EVE link more meaningful. Welcome to faction warfare!