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NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2013.05.03 05:34:00 - [1] - Quote Add the "Active SP" points to the passive Sp, and just keep the "soft cap". Basically you'd be adding 27.2 K passive Sp to each day. Soft cap for Ambush matches should 1,000, and 2,000 for skirmish... or something along those lines. There, now "no-lifers" won't get that far ahead of everyone, and people actually get rewarded for playing instead of just showing up to matches. Simpler. Deeper. More powerful.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2013.05.03 06:36:00 - [2] - Quote Yes, no, definitely maybe?
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 372	Posted - 2013.05.03 06:39:00 - [3] - Quote I'm 100% behind this, just add an amendment that ISK rewards are heavily influenced by WP. The more WP you get, the more ISK you get, but 0 WP = 0 ISK. Even a newberry can manage to get some WP.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 83	Posted - 2013.05.03 06:41:00 - [4] - Quote active boosters will undo that though. How about only allowing the lowest amount of SP to be 1 forth of the top players SP so new players aren't crushed in a few years and you could keep up without playing without giving you a active player advantage. It could be even lower then a fourth but I was just saying an example.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2013.05.03 06:47:00 - [5] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: active boosters will undo that though. How about only allowing the lowest amount of SP to be 1 forth of the top players SP so new players aren't crushed in a few years and you could keep up without playing without giving you a active player advantage. It could be even lower then a fourth but I was just saying an example. I forgot to mention, the prices of boosters should be adjusted to reflect their utility. Increase the price on passive boosters and reduce the price of active. That's still only 1500, and 3000 per match. As for new players, they'd be getting 358.4K a week without even having to play, there's really no reason to hold their hand more than that.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 372	Posted - 2013.05.03 06:51:00 - [6] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: active boosters will undo that though. How about only allowing the lowest amount of SP to be 1 forth of the top players SP so new players aren't crushed in a few years and you could keep up without playing without giving you a active player advantage. It could be even lower then a fourth but I was just saying an example. Perfect imbalance runs it's course because the grinders aren't going to be that much more powerful. Also with the counter mechanics being added in with uprising, just because someone with has 10x the amount of SP that you have, they can still die to a scrambler rifle/flaylock combo and the like. So the perfect imbalance inspires a cyclic metagame that the newbies can play a part of, giving them a chance to compete with pros.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 83	Posted - 2013.05.03 06:57:00 - [7] - Quote I understand CCP said 7 years to have it all but it would take way to long to enjoy the game as an active player, there would need to be an interest to keep players there, why build a universe where there is no population?
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 372	Posted - 2013.05.03 07:07:00 - [8] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: I understand CCP said 7 years to have it all but it would take way to long to enjoy the game as an active player, there would need to be an interest to keep players there, why build a universe where there is no population? Planetary Conquest, Faction Warfare, and the return of Corp Battles seem like good distractions. Also you get to focus on what the game is really about. Shooting someone in the face until they die
Charlotte O'Dell Faabulous 222	Posted - 2013.05.03 07:19:00 - [9] - Quote +1
Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 63	Posted - 2013.05.03 07:21:00 - [10] - Quote Cosgar wrote: I'm 100% behind this, just add an amendment that ISK rewards are heavily influenced by WP. The more WP you get, the more ISK you get, but 0 WP = 0 ISK. Even a newberry can manage to get some WP. actually ive seen a lot of players get no war points A LOT base isk of 100k but increase the amount of isk you can make so a average participating player will make about 200k isk a good player with make 250-350k and the best will make upwards of 500K this will changed based on what eve does to the dust market

Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 374	Posted - 2013.05.03 07:34:00 - [11] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: Cosgar wrote: I'm 100% behind this, just add an amendment that ISK rewards are heavily influenced by WP. The more WP you get, the more ISK you get, but 0 WP = 0 ISK. Even a newberry can manage to get some WP. actually ive seen a lot of players get no war points A LOT base isk of 100k but increase the amount of isk you can make so a average participating player will make about 200k isk a good player with make 250-350k and the best will make upwards of 500K this will changed based on what eve does to the dust market Sorry, still thinking in the anti-AFK mindset. Base 200k sounds good with a potential of 500k+ based on WP.
DeeJay One BetaMax. CRONOS. 19	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:00:00 - [12] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Add the "Active SP" points to the passive Sp, and just keep the "soft cap". Basically you'd be adding 27.2 K passive Sp to each day. Soft cap for Ambush matches should be 1,000, and 2,000 for skirmish... or something along those lines. There, now "no-lifers" won't get that far ahead of everyone, and people actually get rewarded for playing instead of just showing up to matches. Simpler. Deeper. More powerful. No. But change most of the active SP not to be time based but event based and also group them in to different pools. Like when you're using and actively shooting/hitting things with weapons, the SP go into the weapon pool. When you use engineering devices and people use your nanite injectors/uplinks/nanohives you get SP towards engineering stuff. If you drive vehicles, get SP towards vehicles. Strictly speaking make it the Elder Scrolls kind of skill earning You can also get a more general pool of SP, this is one case where it may be time based. You instantly make AFKers go away, because the time based pool will be pretty low. Downside of this is that it will really complicate things for new players, but that was the idea I had before the closed beta what the active skills be like, but I had a huge dissapointment when I started playing it :/
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2067	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:14:00 - [13] - Quote CCP made the grind too hard for most. People don't want to die solidly for 3 months before being able to play. So they stay on MCC and don't die. Active SP isn't the problem, it's the fact people feel the need to grind. Constantly. A rolling universal cap would probably stop a huge amount of AFK farming.
Donnerwerk The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:17:00 - [14] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Add the "Active SP" points to the passive Sp, and just keep the "soft cap". Basically you'd be adding 27.2 K passive Sp to each day. Soft cap for Ambush matches should be 1,000, and 2,000 for skirmish... or something along those lines. There, now "no-lifers" won't get that far ahead of everyone, and people actually get rewarded for playing instead of just showing up to matches. Simpler. Deeper. More powerful. No. But change most of the active SP not to be time based but event based and also group them in to different pools. Like when you're using and actively shooting/hitting things with weapons, the SP go into the weapon pool. When you use engineering devices and people use your nanite injectors/uplinks/nanohives you get SP towards engineering stuff. If you drive vehicles, get SP towards vehicles. Strictly speaking make it the Elder Scrolls kind of skill earning You can also get a more general pool of SP, this is one case where it may be time based. You instantly make AFKers go away, because the time based pool will be pretty low. Downside of this is that it will really complicate things for new players, but that was the idea I had before the closed beta what the active skills be like, but I had a huge dissapointment when I started playing it :/ with this mechanic you're going to have mercs driving in an lav the entire match or two guys on the same team droping nanohives in mcc or base shooting in the air. reloading endlessly. This concept of jump 100 times to jump higher is way to exploitable and will not contribute to the gameplay in a positive way. It can be ok in a singleplayer, but in a multiplayer you're just going to **** of ppl.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 384	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:19:00 - [15] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Add the "Active SP" points to the passive Sp, and just keep the "soft cap". Basically you'd be adding 27.2 K passive Sp to each day. Soft cap for Ambush matches should be 1,000, and 2,000 for skirmish... or something along those lines. There, now "no-lifers" won't get that far ahead of everyone, and people actually get rewarded for playing instead of just showing up to matches. Simpler. Deeper. More powerful. No. But change most of the active SP not to be time based but event based and also group them in to different pools. Like when you're using and actively shooting/hitting things with weapons, the SP go into the weapon pool. When you use engineering devices and people use your nanite injectors/uplinks/nanohives you get SP towards engineering stuff. If you drive vehicles, get SP towards vehicles. Strictly speaking make it the Elder Scrolls kind of skill earning You can also get a more general pool of SP, this is one case where it may be time based. You instantly make AFKers go away, because the time based pool will be pretty low. Downside of this is that it will really complicate things for new players, but that was the idea I had before the closed beta what the active skills be like, but I had a huge dissapointment when I started playing it :/ So, it'll go from AFK 514 to Boost 514. No thanks
IceStormers Forsaken Immortals 6	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:23:00 - [16] - Quote We cant have free accounts earning passive skill points I like the idea of passive for paying accounts and active for free accounts but then there has to be valid reasons to buy boosters there is another thread discussing how boosters should work where i have posted my thoughts and i really like the way people are thinking in this regard across the board new members is the biggest issue we have atm and there is already too many people running alts to collect passive skill points for free new members should be able to join us and find it easy to get a name they like, quite hard with lots and lots of alts all over the place it should be welcoming to them, they should be able to enjoy the game and if they want to catch up with the vets be able to pay to help them catch up by actively playing,
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 384	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:34:00 - [17] - Quote IceStormers wrote: We cant have free accounts earning passive skill points I like the idea of passive for paying accounts and active for free accounts but then there has to be valid reasons to buy boosters there is another thread discussing how boosters should work where i have posted my thoughts and i really like the way people are thinking in this regard across the board new members is the biggest issue we have atm and there is already too many people running alts to collect passive skill points for free new members should be able to join us and find it easy to get a name they like, quite hard with lots and lots of alts all over the place it should be welcoming to them, they should be able to enjoy the game and if they want to catch up with the vets be able to pay to help them catch up by actively playing, Cosgar wrote: Perfect imbalance runs it's course because the grinders aren't going to be that much more powerful. Also with the counter mechanics being added in with uprising, just because someone with has 10x the amount of SP that you have, they can still die to a scrambler rifle/flaylock combo and the like. So the perfect imbalance inspires a cyclic metagame that the newbies can play a part of, giving them a chance to compete with pros. If this game goes in the balanced for skill direction, (without resorting to twitch gaming) everything gets balanced to the point that newbies still have a fighting chance. If CCP actually makes a tutorial or training mode to introduce them to the game, that would help too.
Saoa Scum Judge Mercenaries 5	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:40:00 - [18] - Quote Sounds like a good idea, passive sp and you play to get isk... just like in eve
Beta Dust Fish Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:43:00 - [19] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Simpler. Deeper. More powerful. and yet you do want people to Play the Game? right !!!!!!!!!
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 384	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:46:00 - [20] - Quote Beta Dust Fish wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Simpler. Deeper. More powerful. and yet you do want people to Play the Game? right !!!!!!!!! Yeah, like they're really playing now With this, those people won't have to waste bandwith.

J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:49:00 - [21] - Quote Dust shouldn't be about the SP grind, it should be about drama, stories, and player interaction. I support this initiative. It would also get rid of the vast majority of AFKers (still doable through passive WP generators such as hives and up-links, but we're talking 500 SP a match tops).
Llan Heindell One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 24	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:57:00 - [22] - Quote I'm not sure if I like this idea or not. I might pick a side once I've played the Uprising. To feel how does the skill progression goes. Llan Heindell.
Donnerwerk The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2	Posted - 2013.05.03 10:13:00 - [23] - Quote J-Lewis wrote: Dust shouldn't be about the SP grind, it should be about drama, stories, and player interaction. I support this initiative. It would also get rid of the vast majority of AFKers (still doable through passive WP generators such as hives and up-links, but we're talking 500 SP a match tops). ^ This please with sugar on top
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 387	Posted - 2013.05.03 10:17:00 - [24] - Quote Hope they have another vote with this as an option. Plus, we're going to need everyone's support on this before the Imps try to ruin this game more than they already have.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 49	Posted - 2013.05.03 10:40:00 - [25] - Quote I like this option of most of your SP being received through passive SP. It means when you do log into play you are not thinking about trying to reach the cap and more about just enjoying the gameplay with the bonus of getting a little bit of extra active SP. I have seen quite a few people who have received zero WP from a particular battle. So I would suggest that you receive a moderate amount of WP for dying, say 5-15 points. Admittedly this seems counter intuitive for an FPS game but it has 2 benefits. 1. The new player still feels like they are achieving something even if it is just learning through dying. Now you may get the odd person who might find it funny to die as many times as possible but the majority of players do not like dying. Also these new players would still be contributing WP to the squad pool. 2. It would act as a disincentive to those players who do nothing as they may end up with less WP and lower down the battle result board than that newbie who was active in the game but ended up dying a lot. In fact it would act as an incentive for the better players to find ways of gaining WP for their squad/team and moving up the board to earn more Isk for that game.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 163	Posted - 2013.05.03 10:41:00 - [26] - Quote There are a few tendencies toward the reward system, that were certainly discussed to exaustion by CCP. Full Passive Passive + Active Full Active All have their principles, advantages and disavantages. I like the Passive + Active system because it gives players the good of both worlds. You can advance without having to worry too much while you go to your job, attend your kids, do your tests at your education, and rewards those who have time to invest. Now, what are the main disavantages of those sytems? Fully Passive will alienate the younglings because the want it all and they want it now. A lot of regular FPS gamers are accostumed to a fast paced aquisition of benefits and it-¦s not a fps mindset to wait for things to be used, no matter how much EVE is exactly that. Plus, it makes a lot of people to create account and never play the game, and i think you should AT LEAST afk a match to earn something. If it were a paid model, fully passive is ok, but it-¦s free, move your butt do to the minimum. Fully active will alienate those that have other stuff to do in life. I can-¦t conciliate my work, my family, my sex and my stuff with a fully active game that requires a lot of attention. I used to grind in Lineage II, but i did so watching 4 seasons of The Office, because we all know grinding in this kind of games is "Press F1 F2 F3 many times, move a bit, repeat". I hate this kind of advancement, and i only played that damn thing because i had a group of RL friends, and as soon as they stopped playing, i quit. Yes, there are a lot of younger players and all that, but those with the cash are the people who are now 30 - 40, and they won-¦t play a game that has a high time and skill requirment like this. Demographics is important to pay attention to.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 49	Posted - 2013.05.03 10:54:00 - [27] - Quote For those with the money you could introduce various starter options: 1. Standard free to play - you get the normal starting amount of Isk and SP 2. +1 million SP = $15 3. +2 million SP = $25 4. +3 million SP = $35 5. +4 million SP = $45 6. +5 million SP = $55 This could be applied to a NEW Starter account only ONCE. It would allow new players to jump into the game quicker based on their wallets but does not affect the gameplay as you do not get any ingame abilities that exceed an existing players skills.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 388	Posted - 2013.05.03 10:57:00 - [28] - Quote Does anyone else on here feel like their only motivation to play is "Oh crap! I need to cap my SP this week so I don't fall behind!" I'd rather play the game than the game playing me.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 163	Posted - 2013.05.03 10:59:00 - [29] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: For those with the money you could introduce various starter options: 1. Standard free to play - you get the normal starting amount of Isk and SP 2. +1 million SP = $15 3. +2 million SP = $25 4. +3 million SP = $35 5. +4 million SP = $45 6. +5 million SP = $55 This could be applied to a NEW Starter account only ONCE. It would allow new players to jump into the game quicker based on their wallets but does not affect the gameplay as you do not get any ingame abilities that exceed an existing players skills. Paying to get SP? Big big big NO NO. Learning curve is mandatory, SP can-¦t come in a package.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 163	Posted - 2013.05.03 11:00:00 - [30] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Does anyone else on here feel like their only motivation to play is "Oh crap! I need to cap my SP this week so I don't fall behind!" I'd rather play the game than the game playing me. A lot of people have that mentality. I only have it partially, cause i want to be an effective Logi / Sniper, then Disregard SP, Adquire Fun.

J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2013.05.03 11:02:00 - [31] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Does anyone else on here feel like their only motivation to play is "Oh crap! I need to cap my SP this week so I don't fall behind!" I'd rather play the game than the game playing me. This is why I burnt out on Dust after my first two weeks. Then I didn't touch it for months until the Human Endurance Event. Meanwhile, I'm a happy EVE player despite not having to do anything to get my SP. People are much better motivators than game mechanics could ever be.
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire 395	Posted - 2013.05.03 11:18:00 - [32] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Simpler. Deeper. More powerful. Dumb. Dumber. Dumbest. Great Troll though.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 164	Posted - 2013.05.03 11:20:00 - [33] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Simpler. Deeper. More powerful. Dumb. Dumber. Dumbest. Great Troll though. Ad hominem at it-¦s finest.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 49	Posted - 2013.05.03 11:22:00 - [34] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Paying to get SP? Big big big NO NO. Learning curve is mandatory, SP can-¦t come in a package. @ Natu Nobilis Fair enough I am not tied to the idea just providing options. However as others have mentioned a lot of FPS players expect some form of reward system for playing. At the moment it is the fact that you gain most of your SP by being ingame I.e. Active SP. But if we move to a mainly passive SP system with only a limited amount of active SP from playing then you need to introduce a new reward scheme to replace active SP. It does not have to be a starter SP boost by buying a starter package but it needs to be something. Other examples could be that you receive various tags that appear by your name e.g. Crosshairs because you made x amount of headshot kills or a cross for reviving x amount of people. With different variations of these symbols based on numbers. I read somewhere that Sony requires games to have an achievements system when it is released. This tagging could be linked to it. Or it could be opening up different cosmetic options based on your skills e.g. A shooter gets to make that specific weapon look pretty or Logi get to remove the yellow, shoot me, colour scheme from their dropsuits.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2013.05.03 11:47:00 - [35] - Quote The reward scheme to replace active SP should be socially and economically driven. To name but a few examples: - Co-op PvE - Competitive Games - Corporation/Alliance Drama (slopes for the slope throne) - Gladiator Tournaments with betting - More abstract game types like Archaeology - think Crysis 1 Power Struggle. - "Bragging pieces" such as rare (and usable, but risky) weaponry and trophies to display in your quarters. None of those particularly requires SP as a reward. They should be more focused on being fun, but also ISK sinks for the most part. Grinding ISK needs to have a purpose, that purpose is to have fun with others. We are a species that thrive on the thrill of risk. Our adrenalin kicks in when the stakes are high. Incorporate more casual friendly high risk features, and you'll see players playing for the challenge and fun social aspects and less because of SP.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:15:00 - [36] - Quote Beta Dust Fish wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Simpler. Deeper. More powerful. and yet you do want people to Play the Game? right !!!!!!!!! No. Let alone because they actually enjoy playing, and not because they feel obligated to hit their SP cap
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:23:00 - [37] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Simpler. Deeper. More powerful. Dumb. Dumber. Dumbest. Great Troll though. Rest assured that your feedback is valuable to me. I'll get back to you once my cat finishes processing the information
Xander Mercy SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 110	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:39:00 - [38] - Quote No, this idea sucks you should have to work to get your sp not just have it handed to you and stop comparing dust to eve they're to completely different games as far as how you play. Dust is a fps so play in matches to get most of your sp makes sense. but in eve you don't have to fight so its all passive so one play style doesn't out gain the others. making it fair for the minor and traders to stay at pace with the pvp and pve playes
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 233	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:42:00 - [39] - Quote Everything you just said, but without the Soft Cap. SP gained in a match should equal to 1 WP = 1 SP. The most I've seen anyone get in a Skirm is around 3,000 and in Ambush around 2,500.
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 15	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:43:00 - [40] - Quote You sound like the guy sending me hate mail because I have more than the socially acceptable level of skillpoints and use Aur gear which, I have been told, "is looked down on". LOL Haters gonna hate. Quit crying and work on your gun game [mine sucks, see KDR] and you'll realize a dude in a BPO suit can go 20+/0 in pub matches... solo... against a team with a proto squad... You won't all of a sudden be better in proto gear and you won't all of a sudden be better in a battleship. Is there an SP gap? Sure. There is also a skill gap. Welcome to New Eden. Stop sucking. P.S. Half your skirmish AFKers are ALTS dude, so your passive idea doesn't even apply it just makes it harder for everyone to get their assault dropship pilot skilled up. P.P.S. Do you even lift?

Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 15	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:45:00 - [41] - Quote And for the "No I'm totally not raging because Dust just crashed" non-troll version... I support this change... makes it harder for new players to close the SP gap when older players go AFK for a month so no-name no-skill no-lifers like me can continue to feel superior.
Xander Mercy SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 110	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:45:00 - [42] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: You sound like the guy sending me hate mail because I have more than the socially acceptable level of skillpoints and use Aur gear which, I have been told, "is looked down on". LOL Haters gonna hate. Quit crying and work on your gun game [mine sucks, see KDR] and you'll realize a dude in a BPO suit can go 20+/0 in pub matches... solo... against a team with a proto squad... You won't all of a sudden be better in proto gear and you won't all of a sudden be better in a battleship. Is there an SP gap? Sure. There is also a skill gap. Welcome to New Eden. Stop sucking. P.S. Half your skirmish AFKers are ALTS dude, so your passive idea doesn't even apply it just makes it harder for everyone to get their assault dropship pilot skilled up. P.P.S. Do you even lift? i don't think he lifts at all
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:46:00 - [43] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: You sound like the guy sending me hate mail because I have more than the socially acceptable level of skillpoints and use Aur gear which, I have been told, "is looked down on". LOL Haters gonna hate. Quit crying and work on your gun game [mine sucks, see KDR] and you'll realize a dude in a BPO suit can go 20+/0 in pub matches... solo... against a team with a proto squad... You won't all of a sudden be better in proto gear and you won't all of a sudden be better in a battleship. Is there an SP gap? Sure. There is also a skill gap. Welcome to New Eden. Stop sucking. P.S. Half your skirmish AFKers are ALTS dude, so your passive idea doesn't even apply it just makes it harder for everyone to get their assault dropship pilot skilled up. P.P.S. Do you even lift?
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 15	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:52:00 - [44] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: You sound like the guy sending me hate mail because I have more than the socially acceptable level of skillpoints and use Aur gear which, I have been told, "is looked down on". LOL Haters gonna hate. Quit crying and work on your gun game [mine sucks, see KDR] and you'll realize a dude in a BPO suit can go 20+/0 in pub matches... solo... against a team with a proto squad... You won't all of a sudden be better in proto gear and you won't all of a sudden be better in a battleship. Is there an SP gap? Sure. There is also a skill gap. Welcome to New Eden. Stop sucking. P.S. Half your skirmish AFKers are ALTS dude, so your passive idea doesn't even apply it just makes it harder for everyone to get their assault dropship pilot skilled up. P.P.S. Do you even lift? <--- no-lifer code for "OMG I ******* ROCKED THAT DUDE MY YELLOW SMILEY THING IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN HIS I AM SO INTERNETZ COOL EVEN THOUGH I SUCK IRL I am so sad and lonely but the sight of the dying militia suits makes me feel better as I stare at this game through my lonely no-lifer tears" ... ... or something
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:53:00 - [45] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: You sound like the guy sending me hate mail because I have more than the socially acceptable level of skillpoints and use Aur gear which, I have been told, "is looked down on". LOL Haters gonna hate. Quit crying and work on your gun game [mine sucks, see KDR] and you'll realize a dude in a BPO suit can go 20+/0 in pub matches... solo... against a team with a proto squad... You won't all of a sudden be better in proto gear and you won't all of a sudden be better in a battleship. Is there an SP gap? Sure. There is also a skill gap. Welcome to New Eden. Stop sucking. P.S. Half your skirmish AFKers are ALTS dude, so your passive idea doesn't even apply it just makes it harder for everyone to get their assault dropship pilot skilled up. P.P.S. Do you even lift? <--- no-lifer code for "OMG I ******* ROCKED THAT DUDE MY YELLOW SMILEY THING IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN HIS I AM SO INTERNETZ COOL EVEN THOUGH I SUCK IRL I am so sad and lonely but the sight of the dying militia suits makes me feel better as I stare at this game through my lonely no-lifer tears" ... ... or something
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 15	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:56:00 - [46] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: You sound like the guy sending me hate mail because I have more than the socially acceptable level of skillpoints and use Aur gear which, I have been told, "is looked down on". LOL Haters gonna hate. Quit crying and work on your gun game [mine sucks, see KDR] and you'll realize a dude in a BPO suit can go 20+/0 in pub matches... solo... against a team with a proto squad... You won't all of a sudden be better in proto gear and you won't all of a sudden be better in a battleship. Is there an SP gap? Sure. There is also a skill gap. Welcome to New Eden. Stop sucking. P.S. Half your skirmish AFKers are ALTS dude, so your passive idea doesn't even apply it just makes it harder for everyone to get their assault dropship pilot skilled up. P.P.S. Do you even lift? <--- no-lifer code for "OMG I ******* ROCKED THAT DUDE MY YELLOW SMILEY THING IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN HIS I AM SO INTERNETZ COOL EVEN THOUGH I SUCK IRL I am so sad and lonely but the sight of the dying militia suits makes me feel better as I stare at this game through my lonely no-lifer tears" ... ... or something
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1351	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:57:00 - [47] - Quote This essay may interest you, though I draw different conclusions. Remove passive SP, but let boosters be something that replaces ALL active with passive. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=71470&find=unread
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2013.05.03 16:05:00 - [48] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: This essay may interest you, though I draw different conclusions. Remove passive SP, but let boosters be something that replaces ALL active with passive. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=71470&find=unread I like it, it's good for those people who might not have time to play all the time, but are still willing to invest on Dust.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 804	Posted - 2013.05.03 17:48:00 - [49] - Quote Can't remove what isn't there. Right now we have logged in passive SP gain and logged out passive SP gain. No reason not to just collapse the two and go with the EVE system. Or create a true active SP reward system where you get SP based on what you do in battle. I would rather have a decent active skilling system and feel it makes sense for the game. But your proposal has merit. How to cut the Gordian Knot? Ockhams razor.
Saoa Scum Judge Mercenaries 5	Posted - 2013.05.03 18:19:00 - [50] - Quote Isk it self should be the reward for being active not the SP Even if you changed it to passive you would still get the same amount per week, the only difference would be "i dont have to logg in and reach my SP cap". It feels like a job Someone mentioned something bout remove passive completely and make the boosters work as passive could work as well F2P = Active sp , Boosters = Passive sp, same amount per week but in different ways

J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:47:00 - [51] - Quote Using a booster is an acceptable alternative as it equates to a sub fee.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 347	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:51:00 - [52] - Quote Agreed. Get rid of active skills. Up the price of the passive booster. For those saying newbs won't be able to catch up, you have it backwards. There is no "SP gap" once a player hits about 8mil SP. This takes several months unboosted. CCP just needs to tweak the passive rate to make sure a new player can reach full specialization in one role in a few months to maybe a high end of six months unboosted. This would fix many problems.


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