DUST Search - Remove "Active SP"

NeoWraith Acedia wrote:

Rogatien Merc wrote:

NeoWraith Acedia wrote:

Rogatien Merc wrote:

You sound like the guy sending me hate mail because I have more than the socially acceptable level of skillpoints and use Aur gear which, I have been told, "is looked down on". LOL Haters gonna hate.

Quit crying and work on your gun game [mine sucks, see KDR] and you'll realize a dude in a BPO suit can go 20+/0 in pub matches... solo... against a team with a proto squad...

You won't all of a sudden be better in proto gear and you won't all of a sudden be better in a battleship. Is there an SP gap? Sure. There is also a skill gap. Welcome to New Eden. Stop sucking.

P.S. Half your skirmish AFKers are *ALTS* dude, so your passive idea doesn't even apply it just makes it harder for everyone to get their assault dropship pilot skilled up.

P.P.S. Do you even lift?

<--- no-lifer code for "OMG I ******* ROCKED THAT DUDE MY YELLOW SMILEY THING IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN HIS I AM SO INTERNETZ COOL EVEN THOUGH I SUCK IRL I am so sad and lonely but the sight of the dying militia suits makes me feel better as I stare at this game through my lonely no-lifer tears" ...

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J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2013.05.03 11:02:00 - [31] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Does anyone else on here feel like their only motivation to play is "Oh crap! I need to cap my SP this week so I don't fall behind!" I'd rather play the game than the game playing me. This is why I burnt out on Dust after my first two weeks. Then I didn't touch it for months until the Human Endurance Event. Meanwhile, I'm a happy EVE player despite not having to do anything to get my SP. People are much better motivators than game mechanics could ever be.
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire 395	Posted - 2013.05.03 11:18:00 - [32] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Simpler. Deeper. More powerful. Dumb. Dumber. Dumbest. Great Troll though.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 164	Posted - 2013.05.03 11:20:00 - [33] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Simpler. Deeper. More powerful. Dumb. Dumber. Dumbest. Great Troll though. Ad hominem at it-¦s finest.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 49	Posted - 2013.05.03 11:22:00 - [34] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Paying to get SP? Big big big NO NO. Learning curve is mandatory, SP can-¦t come in a package. @ Natu Nobilis Fair enough I am not tied to the idea just providing options. However as others have mentioned a lot of FPS players expect some form of reward system for playing. At the moment it is the fact that you gain most of your SP by being ingame I.e. Active SP. But if we move to a mainly passive SP system with only a limited amount of active SP from playing then you need to introduce a new reward scheme to replace active SP. It does not have to be a starter SP boost by buying a starter package but it needs to be something. Other examples could be that you receive various tags that appear by your name e.g. Crosshairs because you made x amount of headshot kills or a cross for reviving x amount of people. With different variations of these symbols based on numbers. I read somewhere that Sony requires games to have an achievements system when it is released. This tagging could be linked to it. Or it could be opening up different cosmetic options based on your skills e.g. A shooter gets to make that specific weapon look pretty or Logi get to remove the yellow, shoot me, colour scheme from their dropsuits.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2013.05.03 11:47:00 - [35] - Quote The reward scheme to replace active SP should be socially and economically driven. To name but a few examples: - Co-op PvE - Competitive Games - Corporation/Alliance Drama (slopes for the slope throne) - Gladiator Tournaments with betting - More abstract game types like Archaeology - think Crysis 1 Power Struggle. - "Bragging pieces" such as rare (and usable, but risky) weaponry and trophies to display in your quarters. None of those particularly requires SP as a reward. They should be more focused on being fun, but also ISK sinks for the most part. Grinding ISK needs to have a purpose, that purpose is to have fun with others. We are a species that thrive on the thrill of risk. Our adrenalin kicks in when the stakes are high. Incorporate more casual friendly high risk features, and you'll see players playing for the challenge and fun social aspects and less because of SP.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:15:00 - [36] - Quote Beta Dust Fish wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Simpler. Deeper. More powerful. and yet you do want people to Play the Game? right !!!!!!!!! No. Let alone because they actually enjoy playing, and not because they feel obligated to hit their SP cap
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:23:00 - [37] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Simpler. Deeper. More powerful. Dumb. Dumber. Dumbest. Great Troll though. Rest assured that your feedback is valuable to me. I'll get back to you once my cat finishes processing the information
Xander Mercy SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 110	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:39:00 - [38] - Quote No, this idea sucks you should have to work to get your sp not just have it handed to you and stop comparing dust to eve they're to completely different games as far as how you play. Dust is a fps so play in matches to get most of your sp makes sense. but in eve you don't have to fight so its all passive so one play style doesn't out gain the others. making it fair for the minor and traders to stay at pace with the pvp and pve playes
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 233	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:42:00 - [39] - Quote Everything you just said, but without the Soft Cap. SP gained in a match should equal to 1 WP = 1 SP. The most I've seen anyone get in a Skirm is around 3,000 and in Ambush around 2,500.
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 15	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:43:00 - [40] - Quote You sound like the guy sending me hate mail because I have more than the socially acceptable level of skillpoints and use Aur gear which, I have been told, "is looked down on". LOL Haters gonna hate. Quit crying and work on your gun game [mine sucks, see KDR] and you'll realize a dude in a BPO suit can go 20+/0 in pub matches... solo... against a team with a proto squad... You won't all of a sudden be better in proto gear and you won't all of a sudden be better in a battleship. Is there an SP gap? Sure. There is also a skill gap. Welcome to New Eden. Stop sucking. P.S. Half your skirmish AFKers are ALTS dude, so your passive idea doesn't even apply it just makes it harder for everyone to get their assault dropship pilot skilled up. P.P.S. Do you even lift?

Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 15	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:45:00 - [41] - Quote And for the "No I'm totally not raging because Dust just crashed" non-troll version... I support this change... makes it harder for new players to close the SP gap when older players go AFK for a month so no-name no-skill no-lifers like me can continue to feel superior.
Xander Mercy SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 110	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:45:00 - [42] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: You sound like the guy sending me hate mail because I have more than the socially acceptable level of skillpoints and use Aur gear which, I have been told, "is looked down on". LOL Haters gonna hate. Quit crying and work on your gun game [mine sucks, see KDR] and you'll realize a dude in a BPO suit can go 20+/0 in pub matches... solo... against a team with a proto squad... You won't all of a sudden be better in proto gear and you won't all of a sudden be better in a battleship. Is there an SP gap? Sure. There is also a skill gap. Welcome to New Eden. Stop sucking. P.S. Half your skirmish AFKers are ALTS dude, so your passive idea doesn't even apply it just makes it harder for everyone to get their assault dropship pilot skilled up. P.P.S. Do you even lift? i don't think he lifts at all
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:46:00 - [43] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: You sound like the guy sending me hate mail because I have more than the socially acceptable level of skillpoints and use Aur gear which, I have been told, "is looked down on". LOL Haters gonna hate. Quit crying and work on your gun game [mine sucks, see KDR] and you'll realize a dude in a BPO suit can go 20+/0 in pub matches... solo... against a team with a proto squad... You won't all of a sudden be better in proto gear and you won't all of a sudden be better in a battleship. Is there an SP gap? Sure. There is also a skill gap. Welcome to New Eden. Stop sucking. P.S. Half your skirmish AFKers are ALTS dude, so your passive idea doesn't even apply it just makes it harder for everyone to get their assault dropship pilot skilled up. P.P.S. Do you even lift?
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 15	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:52:00 - [44] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: You sound like the guy sending me hate mail because I have more than the socially acceptable level of skillpoints and use Aur gear which, I have been told, "is looked down on". LOL Haters gonna hate. Quit crying and work on your gun game [mine sucks, see KDR] and you'll realize a dude in a BPO suit can go 20+/0 in pub matches... solo... against a team with a proto squad... You won't all of a sudden be better in proto gear and you won't all of a sudden be better in a battleship. Is there an SP gap? Sure. There is also a skill gap. Welcome to New Eden. Stop sucking. P.S. Half your skirmish AFKers are ALTS dude, so your passive idea doesn't even apply it just makes it harder for everyone to get their assault dropship pilot skilled up. P.P.S. Do you even lift? <--- no-lifer code for "OMG I ******* ROCKED THAT DUDE MY YELLOW SMILEY THING IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN HIS I AM SO INTERNETZ COOL EVEN THOUGH I SUCK IRL I am so sad and lonely but the sight of the dying militia suits makes me feel better as I stare at this game through my lonely no-lifer tears" ... ... or something
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:53:00 - [45] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: You sound like the guy sending me hate mail because I have more than the socially acceptable level of skillpoints and use Aur gear which, I have been told, "is looked down on". LOL Haters gonna hate. Quit crying and work on your gun game [mine sucks, see KDR] and you'll realize a dude in a BPO suit can go 20+/0 in pub matches... solo... against a team with a proto squad... You won't all of a sudden be better in proto gear and you won't all of a sudden be better in a battleship. Is there an SP gap? Sure. There is also a skill gap. Welcome to New Eden. Stop sucking. P.S. Half your skirmish AFKers are ALTS dude, so your passive idea doesn't even apply it just makes it harder for everyone to get their assault dropship pilot skilled up. P.P.S. Do you even lift? <--- no-lifer code for "OMG I ******* ROCKED THAT DUDE MY YELLOW SMILEY THING IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN HIS I AM SO INTERNETZ COOL EVEN THOUGH I SUCK IRL I am so sad and lonely but the sight of the dying militia suits makes me feel better as I stare at this game through my lonely no-lifer tears" ... ... or something
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 15	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:56:00 - [46] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: You sound like the guy sending me hate mail because I have more than the socially acceptable level of skillpoints and use Aur gear which, I have been told, "is looked down on". LOL Haters gonna hate. Quit crying and work on your gun game [mine sucks, see KDR] and you'll realize a dude in a BPO suit can go 20+/0 in pub matches... solo... against a team with a proto squad... You won't all of a sudden be better in proto gear and you won't all of a sudden be better in a battleship. Is there an SP gap? Sure. There is also a skill gap. Welcome to New Eden. Stop sucking. P.S. Half your skirmish AFKers are ALTS dude, so your passive idea doesn't even apply it just makes it harder for everyone to get their assault dropship pilot skilled up. P.P.S. Do you even lift? <--- no-lifer code for "OMG I ******* ROCKED THAT DUDE MY YELLOW SMILEY THING IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN HIS I AM SO INTERNETZ COOL EVEN THOUGH I SUCK IRL I am so sad and lonely but the sight of the dying militia suits makes me feel better as I stare at this game through my lonely no-lifer tears" ... ... or something
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1351	Posted - 2013.05.03 15:57:00 - [47] - Quote This essay may interest you, though I draw different conclusions. Remove passive SP, but let boosters be something that replaces ALL active with passive. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=71470&find=unread
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2013.05.03 16:05:00 - [48] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: This essay may interest you, though I draw different conclusions. Remove passive SP, but let boosters be something that replaces ALL active with passive. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=71470&find=unread I like it, it's good for those people who might not have time to play all the time, but are still willing to invest on Dust.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 804	Posted - 2013.05.03 17:48:00 - [49] - Quote Can't remove what isn't there. Right now we have logged in passive SP gain and logged out passive SP gain. No reason not to just collapse the two and go with the EVE system. Or create a true active SP reward system where you get SP based on what you do in battle. I would rather have a decent active skilling system and feel it makes sense for the game. But your proposal has merit. How to cut the Gordian Knot? Ockhams razor.
Saoa Scum Judge Mercenaries 5	Posted - 2013.05.03 18:19:00 - [50] - Quote Isk it self should be the reward for being active not the SP Even if you changed it to passive you would still get the same amount per week, the only difference would be "i dont have to logg in and reach my SP cap". It feels like a job Someone mentioned something bout remove passive completely and make the boosters work as passive could work as well F2P = Active sp , Boosters = Passive sp, same amount per week but in different ways

J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:47:00 - [51] - Quote Using a booster is an acceptable alternative as it equates to a sub fee.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 347	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:51:00 - [52] - Quote Agreed. Get rid of active skills. Up the price of the passive booster. For those saying newbs won't be able to catch up, you have it backwards. There is no "SP gap" once a player hits about 8mil SP. This takes several months unboosted. CCP just needs to tweak the passive rate to make sure a new player can reach full specialization in one role in a few months to maybe a high end of six months unboosted. This would fix many problems.


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