active boosters will undo that though. How about only allowing the lowest amount of SP to be 1 forth of the top players SP so new players aren't crushed in a few years and you could keep up without playing without giving you a active player advantage. It could be even lower then a fourth but I was just saying an example.

active boosters will undo that though. How about only allowing the lowest amount of SP to be 1 forth of the top players SP so new players aren't crushed in a few years and you could keep up without playing without giving you a active player advantage. It could be even lower then a fourth but I was just saying an example.

I understand CCP said 7 years to have it all but it would take way to long to enjoy the game as an active player, there would need to be an interest to keep players there, why build a universe where there is no population?

I'm 100% behind this, just add an amendment that ISK rewards are heavily influenced by WP. The more WP you get, the more ISK you get, but 0 WP = 0 ISK. Even a newberry can manage to get some WP.

actually ive seen a lot of players get no war points

A LOT

base isk of 100k
but increase the amount of isk you can make
so a average participating player will make about 200k isk
a good player with make 250-350k and the best will make upwards of 500K

this will changed based on what eve does to the dust market

Add the "Active SP" points to the passive Sp, and just keep the "soft cap". Basically you'd be adding 27.2 K passive Sp to each day. Soft cap for Ambush matches should be 1,000, and 2,000 for skirmish... or something along those lines.

There, now "no-lifers" won't get that far ahead of everyone, and people actually get rewarded for playing instead of just showing up to matches.

Simpler. Deeper. More powerful.

No.

But change most of the active SP not to be time based but event based and also group them in to different pools.

Like when you're using and actively shooting/hitting things with weapons, the SP go into the weapon pool.
When you use engineering devices and people use your nanite injectors/uplinks/nanohives you get SP towards engineering stuff. If you drive vehicles, get SP towards vehicles. Strictly speaking make it the Elder Scrolls kind of skill earning
You can also get a more general pool of SP, this is one case where it may be time based. You instantly make AFKers go away, because the time based pool will be pretty low.

Downside of this is that it will really complicate things for new players, but that was the idea I had before the closed beta what the active skills be like, but I had a huge dissapointment when I started playing it :/

No.

But change most of the active SP not to be time based but event based and also group them in to different pools.

Like when you're using and actively shooting/hitting things with weapons, the SP go into the weapon pool.
When you use engineering devices and people use your nanite injectors/uplinks/nanohives you get SP towards engineering stuff. If you drive vehicles, get SP towards vehicles. Strictly speaking make it the Elder Scrolls kind of skill earning
You can also get a more general pool of SP, this is one case where it may be time based. You instantly make AFKers go away, because the time based pool will be pretty low.

Downside of this is that it will really complicate things for new players, but that was the idea I had before the closed beta what the active skills be like, but I had a huge dissapointment when I started playing it :/

We cant have free accounts earning passive skill points
I like the idea of passive for paying accounts and active for free accounts

but then there has to be valid reasons to buy boosters there is another thread discussing how boosters should work where i have posted my thoughts and i really like the way people are thinking in this regard across the board

new members is the biggest issue we have atm and there is already too many people running alts to collect passive skill points for free

new members should be able to join us and find it easy to get a name they like, quite hard with lots and lots of alts all over the place
it should be welcoming to them, they should be able to enjoy the game and if they want to catch up with the vets be able to pay to help them catch up by actively playing,

Perfect imbalance runs it's course because the grinders aren't going to be that much more powerful. Also with the counter mechanics being added in with uprising, just because someone with has 10x the amount of SP that you have, they can still die to a scrambler rifle/flaylock combo and the like. So the perfect imbalance inspires a cyclic metagame that the newbies can play a part of, giving them a chance to compete with pros.

and yet you do want people to Play the Game? right !!!!!!!!!

Dust shouldn't be about the SP grind, it should be about drama, stories, and player interaction. I support this initiative.



It would also get rid of the vast majority of AFKers (still doable through passive WP generators such as hives and up-links, but we're talking 500 SP a match tops).

For those with the money you could introduce various starter options:

1. Standard free to play - you get the normal starting amount of Isk and SP
2. +1 million SP = $15
3. +2 million SP = $25
4. +3 million SP = $35
5. +4 million SP = $45
6. +5 million SP = $55

This could be applied to a NEW Starter account only ONCE. It would allow new players to jump into the game quicker based on their wallets but does not affect the gameplay as you do not get any ingame abilities that exceed an existing players skills.

Does anyone else on here feel like their only motivation to play is "Oh crap! I need to cap my SP this week so I don't fall behind!"

I'd rather play the game than the game playing me.