But on the flipside.

"Ugh, SWARMs are OP"
"Screw Packed AV"
"Militia Forge Gun WTF NERF IT"
"My tank is Crappy, its UP"

...

We say they are but we actually go over the facts. We do not just ***** because our AR does not kill tanks. We go through things and back up why we say these things.

I have never seen one post showing the facts that on the reverse side. Have you ever studied AV against vehicles. Created a private CB and test these things. Nope you just cry wolf.

Again your prove my point all anti tankers do is call people cry babies.

"Tank driver are cry babies"
"Tanks take no skill you have all that HP your cheating"
"Tanks are OP because my standard swarms do not kill them"
"All tank drivers do is *****"

This is all I see from people who want tanks nerfed or think they are fine the way they are. I never see any facts from them and statistics. They never take the time to test things. All they do is attack tank drivers personally for their excuses.

Yet because there is many CCP walks over to them and coddles them even though they give no support.

Tanks drivers.

We talk about tanks are becoming glass cannons. We show the facts aka look at my rail threads. We say they are going in the wrong direction. We again go over the facts with them. We talk about Forges. AV grenades. Flux. And swarms and go over the problems with them.

We talk about how match making is what makes us seem OP. Because proto tanks end up in matches with militant geared players. And newer players that do not know much. So we gain this look of power. But once you are put in a match with a squad at your lvl a proto tank turns to dust against proto AV set ups. So the stats get skewed horrible that CCP is looking at. It does not take in account the times tanks are actually thrown in against even playing field and they become candy.

Anti-tank kids come in use attack tactics with no support to their reasons.

CCP comes back buffs the current problems with AV and then on top of that makes tanks even more of a glass cannon. Which we have gone over is ruining vehicles.

CCP clearly does not know much about vehicle game play. And I have a feeling their test team sucks in these matters also. All they have is their numbers on paper that do not show the real problem.

What about the...

"Why wont you die? why is nobody helping me trying to kill this massacare machine?"

"Tank driver are cry babies"
"Tanks take no skill you have all that HP your cheating"
"Tanks are OP because my standard swarms do not kill them"
"All tank drivers do is *****"

This is all I see from people who want tanks nerfed or think they are fine the way they are. I never see any facts from them and statistics. They never take the time to test things. All they do is attack tank drivers personally for their excuses.

Yet because there is many CCP walks over to them and coddles them even though they give no support.

Tanks drivers.

We talk about tanks are becoming glass cannons. We show the facts aka look at my rail threads. We say they are going in the wrong direction. We again go over the facts with them. We talk about Forges. AV grenades. Flux. And swarms and go over the problems with them.

We talk about how match making is what makes us seem OP. Because proto tanks end up in matches with militant geared players. And newer players that do not know much. So we gain this look of power. But once you are put in a match with a squad at your lvl a proto tank turns to dust against proto AV set ups. So the stats get skewed horrible that CCP is looking at. It does not take in account the times tanks are actually thrown in against even playing field and they become candy.

Anti-tank kids come in use attack tactics with no support to their reasons.

CCP comes back buffs the current problems with AV and then on top of that makes tanks even more of a glass cannon. Which we have gone over is ruining vehicles.

CCP clearly does not know much about vehicle game play. And I have a feeling their test team sucks in these matters also. All they have is their numbers on paper that do not show the real problem.

99% percent of tanks should have to have support to survive. Just because it is a tank doesn't mean it is forever. Tanks need support to live.

Balance off of Public Matches is bad.
In a Corp Battle it's more
"I need forges on the tank"
Two seconds later
"Sagaris down"

I hope CCP isn't just looking at the raw stats from matches, when you consider that a lot of tanks in ambush are dropped after the enemy team has lost the footwar it would make the tanks look very overpowered, but if that is the case hopefully the amount of militia tanks that get pwned by AV grenades balances it out a little.

Perhaps things are fine the way they are putting to account there's as much whining on both sides.

There may be some tweaking needed but still....

I get my 753k tank blown up,I don't rage over it, people that do are simply the type of people who are psychotic enough to yell and scream at the tv and complain on a forum later. Stupid but it how it works???

When someone destroys one of my dropships, whether it be a 200k viper or a 700k myron or grim. I don't rage, I hunt down the one who did and make him pay, a tank driver found this out the hard way a couple of days ago. poor, poor, tank driver,helots the ISK war badly.

Psshh you're not scary.. :P

"Tank driver are cry babies"
"Tanks take no skill you have all that HP your cheating"
"Tanks are OP because my standard swarms do not kill them"
"All tank drivers do is *****"
Edit: "Tanks need to have support"(my all time favorite)

Edit: Yet Proto AV is able to run around solo hide on roof tops solo and beat on tanks all day long. They have no reason to run around with a group. They talk about tanks needing full squads running with them. But they barely run with one other person unless it is a few of them running AV.

Should AV not be forced to be supported also?

This is all I see from people who want tanks nerfed or think they are fine the way they are. I never see any facts from them and statistics. They never take the time to test things. All they do is attack tank drivers personally for their excuses.

Yet because there is many CCP walks over to them and coddles them even though they give no support.

Tanks drivers.

We talk about tanks are becoming glass cannons. We show the facts aka look at my rail threads. We say they are going in the wrong direction. We again go over the facts with them. We talk about Forges. AV grenades. Flux. And swarms and go over the problems with them.

We talk about how match making is what makes us seem OP. Because proto tanks end up in matches with militant geared players. And newer players that do not know much. So we gain this look of power. But once you are put in a match with a squad at your lvl a proto tank turns to dust against proto AV set ups. So the stats get skewed horrible that CCP is looking at. It does not take in account the times tanks are actually thrown in against even playing field and they become candy.

Anti-tank kids come in use attack tactics with no support to their reasons.

CCP comes back buffs the current problems with AV and then on top of that makes tanks even more of a glass cannon. Which we have gone over is ruining vehicles.

CCP clearly does not know much about vehicle game play. And I have a feeling their test team sucks in these matters also. All they have is their numbers on paper that do not show the real problem.

I was considering the use of tanks again for uprising but then I saw this:

Enforcer Falchion
shield 2k
armor 770
shield recharge 22/2
CPU 320
PG 1805

Enforcer Vayu
shield 690
armor 2230
shield recharge 8/s
CPU 210
PG 2490

For 1 mil ISK and a lot of SP requirements this is now a complete waste effort as I get frequently blow up sturdy tanks with my Forge Gun. Most dropships only requires 1-2 shots of my Forge to destroy and requires little to no risk. So far the only AV weapon that doesn't ruin vehicle gameplay is the plasma cannon as it has low damage, clip size, and slow projectile speed. These new tanks can't even be called Enforcer as it clearly can't stay in the map for long, either get someone with a forge to blow it up in 3-4 shots or get one guy to sit on a nanohive and spam AV grenades.

I really had hopes to see tanks making a comeback but now I'll just have to stay focused on infantry battles.

Psshh you're not scary.. :P

I don't need to be scary, just deadly.
And with ADS coming in, I can kill tanks before they kill me if I'm careful and a bit lucky.

As I've said before in any HAV vs AV topic:
I was under the impression that this game was supposed to reward players for specializing in a specific role. Tankers did exactly that and became the best pilots they could be. Their effective counter AV was left behind and neglected by AR purists, CoD casuals, or people too ignorant to realize that militia AV isn't supposed to kill a prototype tank. The word nerf got thrown around more than a NERF corporate TPS report from crybabies because they couldn't blow up an HAV with an assault rifle. Instead of CCP replying with a smile and a HTFU, tankers got nerfed. For what? They were the only players in this game playing it correctly. They specialized in their role and because it wasn't infantry shield tanking caldari assault with an AR, they got burned. Heavies suffered a similar fate at the beginning of every build. We need to face facts here, this isn't Dust 514 anymore, it's AR 514, the futuristic version of CoD, fluffed up with a sat sheet that doesn't matter because you still die to 3 bullets. They sure put the CoD in Codex on this build.

Will any of this change on May 6-14th? Only time will tell. But at the rate things are going and the direction this game is going. Variety will truly be dead if they stick to this path.

Ahhh sweet salty tears. I think I might hunt the OPs tank now.

As I've said before in any HAV vs AV topic:
I was under the impression that this game was supposed to reward players for specializing in a specific role. Tankers did exactly that and became the best pilots they could be. Their effective counter AV was left behind and neglected by AR purists, CoD casuals, or people too ignorant to realize that militia AV isn't supposed to kill a prototype tank. The word nerf got thrown around more than a NERF corporate TPS report from crybabies because they couldn't blow up an HAV with an assault rifle. Instead of CCP replying with a smile and a HTFU, tankers got nerfed. For what? They were the only players in this game playing it correctly. They specialized in their role and because it wasn't infantry shield tanking caldari assault with an AR, they got burned. Heavies suffered a similar fate at the beginning of every build. We need to face facts here, this isn't Dust 514 anymore, it's AR 514, the futuristic version of CoD, fluffed up with a sat sheet that doesn't matter because you still die to 3 bullets. They sure put the CoD in Codex on this build.

Will any of this change on May 6-14th? Only time will tell. But at the rate things are going and the direction this game is going. Variety will truly be dead if they stick to this path.

Better get to work on my rail skills, I remember you coming after me after I hit your dropships on Manus (I am sorry :( If CCP would nerf the damn rails, it'd be nice), you were very persistent with that AV.

Well in all fairness they got nerfed because ALL the matches turned into both teams spamming tanks.

I personally used to like it. Now its WAY too easy to destroy tanks.

I have never seen a QQ thread with relevant facts that were true.

I always wonder why a AR guy 50+ meters away starts shooting at my methana surely they cant be expecting to blow it up or snipe me out of the seat from there. But they try that is your average AV guy the ones who believe everything is AV I mean its the future right.

but also on a sad note, I can say my DS has more HP then a tank and I won`t need to show the modules and skills behind it to prove it (note I`m NOT SAYING DS NEED A NERF but saying tanks need a buff).

What? Should this entire game be about infantry? What's the point of even having vehicles then? You seen those badass trailers where it looks like freaking D-Day with clone soldiers, tanks, dropships, and LAV going through line harvest wrecking **** before a bunch of instillations rain down to clean up. I want that game.

I might have misunderstood you so I`ll ask before ape attacking the keyboard, did you say or go off the lines off the common reply that since its the future AV will be stronger and more capable?

God man I was actually agreeing with you that tanks are UP and i'm a AV unit.

No just a general disparaging comment on human nature allot of people seem to think they can kill any vehicle with anything because the game is set in the future and when they cant thats when the complaing begins and leads us down nerf alley.

Edit for when I dont make sense I have a bad chest infection and asthma so sleep deprivation + meds are leading to nonsensical waffle. Humblest apologies.

ITT: a closet nerf AV thread

I snunk up behind you, i out smarted you and your team by allowing me to get behind you, or anywhere near you. three av nades, three CB7's. Thats how much time you have to turn your turret around to kill me, i have 500-600HP. you have 5-10k, you have three guns that can shoot at the same time . two of which are able to turn 360 degrees with perfect sight. first CB7 boom 75% shield, 2second delay before i can sprint or change weapons, 5 second dely befoe i can fire agian, av nades boomboomboom now if youre a good tank driver, you would of activated that shield repper as soon as the cb7 landed, but 99% of you aren't, so lets play that scene like so. 30% shield left, second CB7 5% shield, 2 second delay, 5second delay. if you havent killed me yet. or got behind some rock you fcuking suck, theres no if ands or buts, you suck at tank driving. there are three sits in a tank, you driving, two other turrets if one or two of the others hasnt gotten out and killed me after the first shot of the CB7, while im carrying a fcuking swarm and a scram pistol. you deserve to lose that tank.

PS. When did IMP start recruiting whiners?

PSS. If youre riding solo why waste the CPU/PG for turrets youre not gunna use?

Throwing out my LAV driver opinion-
There's more to the AV game than just destroying HAVs. Just because a solution works with AV vs HAVs doesn't mean it works with AV vs LAVs and dropships.

why did tanks get nerfed to ****? this is a game spin off from a vehicle game.. you know.. eve online?..
with the best tank and good support it is nearly impossible to keep a tank for more than 2 games.. its non sense.

Added my all time favorite attack on us. Tanks should be running with full support. Yet AV needs none.

I always wonder why a AR guy 50+ meters away starts shooting at my methana surely they cant be expecting to blow it up or snipe me out of the seat from there. But they try that is your average AV guy the ones who believe everything is AV I mean its the future right.