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Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.05.02 06:48:00 -
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What differnce does it make? we're all in the same boat, the SP costs apply to us all. Now it just means you have to ACTUALLY play to EARN your top tier stuff. People are making the tactical error here in thinking CCP just wants a pure FPS game.
Too many people have become comfy with games like COD where the prospect of having to earn something is beyond people. In comparison to EVE, the game this game was made to support doesn't have active SP, so be happy you even get that.
So it's harder to get your toys, on other FPS games I don't beleive people kick off because they have to wait a bit longer to get their next gun.
But if the idea off earning your gear is too much I'm sure that copy of COD or KZ collecting Dust on your shelf will be happy to take you back. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:03:00 -
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a little sloppy, but I get your point.
Patience seems to be a prevailing problem 'round these parts it seems. Also, it amazes me how much people can hate something that they haven't even played yet. CCP seems to have the angriest group of "fans" I have ever seen. I say "fans" loosely because it seems none of them actually like the company.
It's amazing. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Faabulous
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:03:00 -
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Here's the problem: it upsets the veterans who have worked for months to get this gear and it makes this game even harder for new players bc itll take 4 months to get proto gear. |
Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:04:00 -
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I think it's good that proto stuff is harder to get.
Proto suits are the best of the best on the market, it makes sense that you need a good amount of time and specialization to get it. You think that takes time? Start a new eve account and train for a titan. THAT requires time |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:09:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:What differnce does it make? we're all in the same boat, the SP costs apply to us all. Now it just means you have to ACTUALLY play to EARN your top tier stuff. People are making the tactical error here in thinking CCP just wants a pure FPS game.
Too many people have become comfy with games like COD where the prospect of having to earn something is beyond people. In comparison to EVE, the game this game was made to support doesn't have active SP, so be happy you even get that.
So it's harder to get your toys, on other FPS games I don't beleive people kick off because they have to wait a bit longer to get their next gun.
But if the idea off earning your gear is too much I'm sure that copy of COD or KZ collecting Dust on your shelf will be happy to take you back. so you support AFKing and why people AFK and feel like it should actually empower AFKing. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:11:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Here's the problem: it upsets the veterans who have worked for months to get this gear and it makes this game even harder for new players bc itll take 4 months to get proto gear.
This I understand to a degree. However the vets are still millions and millions and millions ahead of the scrubs like myself who have only been playing for a few months. At the end of the day you're going to end up with your gear before anyone else. This also makes such things such as proto gear less common, thus making it more effective.
Whats the point of proto when everyone has proto. You might as all be wearing starter gear. Along with the PC race you're adding an arms race as well inside of the game. It sucks to the people who got used to the equipment I'm sure but it also gives you something to work towards like the rest of us. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:12:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:I think it's good that proto stuff is harder to get. Proto suits are the best of the best on the market, it makes sense that you need a good amount of time and specialization to get it. You think that takes time? Start a new eve account and train for a titan. THAT requires time eve is not a FPS, when eve becomes a FPS this might hold water to this idea till then its means nothing. |
J-Lewis
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:12:00 -
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Eh, Titans are pretty straightforward to train into; it can be done in less than a year.
Supercarriers are actually longer to train for, just because you need all the support skills; Titans are more flexible in terms of training. We're looking at 2.5-3 years for a good Supercarrier pilot. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:20:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:I think it's good that proto stuff is harder to get. Proto suits are the best of the best on the market, it makes sense that you need a good amount of time and specialization to get it. You think that takes time? Start a new eve account and train for a titan. THAT requires time eve is not a FPS, when eve becomes a FPS this might hold water to this idea till then its means nothing.
I actually agree, considering they're both MMOs.
I think you're forgetting that. |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:26:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:What differnce does it make? we're all in the same boat, the SP costs apply to us all. Now it just means you have to ACTUALLY play to EARN your top tier stuff. People are making the tactical error here in thinking CCP just wants a pure FPS game.
Too many people have become comfy with games like COD where the prospect of having to earn something is beyond people. In comparison to EVE, the game this game was made to support doesn't have active SP, so be happy you even get that.
So it's harder to get your toys, on other FPS games I don't beleive people kick off because they have to wait a bit longer to get their next gun.
But if the idea off earning your gear is too much I'm sure that copy of COD or KZ collecting Dust on your shelf will be happy to take you back. so you support AFKing and why people AFK and feel like it should actually empower AFKing.
I'd be up for CCP takin passive SP away and leaving only active, so you only get literally what you earn through play. AFK'ers are kicking over CCP's sandcastle as they build it |
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:29:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:ladwar wrote:Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:I think it's good that proto stuff is harder to get. Proto suits are the best of the best on the market, it makes sense that you need a good amount of time and specialization to get it. You think that takes time? Start a new eve account and train for a titan. THAT requires time eve is not a FPS, when eve becomes a FPS this might hold water to this idea till then its means nothing. I actually agree, considering they're both MMOs. I think you're forgetting that. MMO is a general term meaning there's player interacting with each other and isn't a major mechanic in game play. FPS are totally different then RTS and should never have to the same core mechanic ruling both or else you run into terrible balancing problems like we have now, this SP sink is a band aid to the horrible passive mechanic. |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
1081
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:32:00 -
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There are now 80 years of skill training in dust 514 and it will increase to 160 very soon. That is... with boosters.... sigh....
It takes 40 years to max out all 24 proto type suits across every race.
To note, it only takes 177 days from a fresh account to max into a titan . Meaning you could max out all 4 titans skills before maxing out three dropsuits. I literally give up, for real, I'm not playing this game if this is the plan . |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:34:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:ladwar wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:What differnce does it make? we're all in the same boat, the SP costs apply to us all. Now it just means you have to ACTUALLY play to EARN your top tier stuff. People are making the tactical error here in thinking CCP just wants a pure FPS game.
Too many people have become comfy with games like COD where the prospect of having to earn something is beyond people. In comparison to EVE, the game this game was made to support doesn't have active SP, so be happy you even get that.
So it's harder to get your toys, on other FPS games I don't beleive people kick off because they have to wait a bit longer to get their next gun.
But if the idea off earning your gear is too much I'm sure that copy of COD or KZ collecting Dust on your shelf will be happy to take you back. so you support AFKing and why people AFK and feel like it should actually empower AFKing. I'd be up for CCP takin passive SP away and leaving only active, so you only get literally what you earn through play. AFK'ers are kicking over CCP's sandcastle as they build it but you feel luck that we even get active sp... are you confused or do you just not understand what you said until someone point out how wrong of a statement it really was. which side are you on? |
Nstomper
Disqualified
248
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:36:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Here's the problem: it upsets the veterans who have worked for months to get this gear and it makes this game even harder for new players bc itll take 4 months to get proto gear. The game is harder now for new people becuase of the so many people that are in protosuits now this actually gives them a fighting chance because there will be so little people in proto gear, its that simple , people see soething and they go straight for the negatives without thinking about the positives |
Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
61
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:39:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Here's the problem: it upsets the veterans who have worked for months to get this gear and it makes this game even harder for new players bc itll take 4 months to get proto gear.
"implying proto is needed to be the best"
at the end of it all
Team work > Twitch skill > Match up > Gear
so what if it takes you a long time to get some of the best Gear in the game
people will complain if its to easy people will complain if its to long at least this way people will take time to plan there approach to the game and plan some stuff out
keep in mind it is *beta* people use to use this excuse to explain bugs and stuff now we will use it to explain change to the game
and it has been mentioned many times that beta skills have been really nerfed so that you can get into everything ASAP
*edit*
also where are the official notes that has got people up in arms > ?
*edit 2* and where are the notes that say SP will be just as hard to get as they have always been so far ? |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:39:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:ladwar wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:What differnce does it make? we're all in the same boat, the SP costs apply to us all. Now it just means you have to ACTUALLY play to EARN your top tier stuff. People are making the tactical error here in thinking CCP just wants a pure FPS game.
Too many people have become comfy with games like COD where the prospect of having to earn something is beyond people. In comparison to EVE, the game this game was made to support doesn't have active SP, so be happy you even get that.
So it's harder to get your toys, on other FPS games I don't beleive people kick off because they have to wait a bit longer to get their next gun.
But if the idea off earning your gear is too much I'm sure that copy of COD or KZ collecting Dust on your shelf will be happy to take you back. so you support AFKing and why people AFK and feel like it should actually empower AFKing. I'd be up for CCP takin passive SP away and leaving only active, so you only get literally what you earn through play. AFK'ers are kicking over CCP's sandcastle as they build it but you feel luck that we even get active sp... are you confused or do you just not understand what you said until someone point out how wrong of a statement it really was. which side are you on?
We are lucky that we get Active SP, CCP could turn around and say "well it worked for EVE!". Doesn't mean I hate it or something. Think ya misunderstanding me |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
278
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:42:00 -
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I like watching you flip flop over the issue... you would make a great senator. |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
1082
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:44:00 -
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Hello don't ignore my post. You are only going to able to train 30% of the total number of skills in dust, if you start now and play untill you die an old man in a hospital. Have you people lost it ???
Dropsuits should be sp cost x4 at most. Keeping dust at no more than 20 years of skills should be a god damn poster in the dev offices. I'm sickened, this better not still be around in 2-3 months becuase after testing the new build you won't he seeing wasting my time |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
1082
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:48:00 -
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Btw 40 years of hitting the cap every week with boosters is 20880 hours of gametime to unlock all the dropsuits. Also 10400$ of boosters
This is not counting any weapons or other skills you might want |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
209
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:51:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Hello don't ignore my post. You are only going to able to train 30% of the total number of skills in dust, if you start now and play untill you die an old man in a hospital. Have you people lost it ???
Dropsuits should be sp cost x4 at most. Keeping dust at no more than 20 years of skills should be a god damn poster in the dev offices. I'm sickened, this better not still be around in 2-3 months becuase after testing the new build you won't he seeing wasting my time
Sorry didn't mean to seem rude didn't see ya post bud. I see what your saying, it may take awhile to get ALL proto suits but why would you? CCP is trying to make players specialise in a set role, meaning you can't hybrid class yourself without penalty. Dust we actually play to earn our SP, where as in EVE you have to wait pretty much.
I'm assuming you taken into account that Dust gives active and passive SP as well as throwing in holidays where we can earn more. Where as EVE you only get passive sp. How did you come to your conclusion btw, did you use weekly caps as a basic ref and worked out how long it'd take literally to get Proto on all suits? |
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Nstomper
Disqualified
248
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:54:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Btw 40 years of hitting the cap every week with boosters is 20880 hours of gametime to unlock all the dropsuits. Also 10400$ of boosters
This is not counting any weapons or other skills you might want Dont see why anyone will want to get all protosuits , lets hope atleast in uprising you get more sp in matches |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
209
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Posted - 2013.05.02 07:59:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:Btw 40 years of hitting the cap every week with boosters is 20880 hours of gametime to unlock all the dropsuits. Also 10400$ of boosters
This is not counting any weapons or other skills you might want Dont see why anyone will want to get all protosuits , lets hope atleast in uprising you get more sp in matches
think his point was how expensive SP wise they are, which is a valid point, alot of FPS players would feel at their limit when their going for proto, but like you said..why would anyone want to specc into another role unless they capped the one their working on.
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DeeJay One
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.02 08:02:00 -
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Also CCP has stated from the begining that in Dust there will be at least years 7 years worth of skills, so everybody knew what he was getting into... |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
111
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Posted - 2013.05.02 08:02:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Here's the problem: it upsets the veterans who have worked for months to get this gear and it makes this game even harder for new players bc itll take 4 months to get proto gear. what veterans? you mean the kids that came from MAG & COD?
ladwar wrote:so you support AFKing and why people AFK and feel like it should actually empower AFKing. afking will be resolved sooner or later.
crazy space 1 wrote:There are now 80 years of skill training in dust 514 and it will increase to 160 very soon. That is... with boosters.... sigh....
It takes 40 years to max out all 24 proto type suits across every race.
To note, it only takes 177 days from a fresh account to max into a titan . Meaning you could max out all 4 titans skills before maxing out three dropsuits. I literally give up, for real, I'm not playing this game if this is the plan . you dont have to max out every skill to level 5 unless you absolutely need it to unlock something. you only do this if you dont have anything else to go for (his is also true for eve online). lvl 4 to lvl 5 is only minor difference in performance but needs huge amount of SP.
also I dont see having alot of stuff to work for as a bad thing actually. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1198
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Posted - 2013.05.02 08:03:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:Also CCP has stated from the begining that in Dust there will be at least years 7 years worth of skills, so everybody knew what he was getting into... That was with the old system, this new one takes 40 years |
Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
93
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Posted - 2013.05.02 08:05:00 -
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If the rumored numbers are right and my calculations are correct, then it should take about 3 months to get a full specialized proto suit (without boosters). I know that's longer than now, but I think that's a pretty fair amount if time. They're the best equipment in the game, it should take a while to get them and you shouldn't expect to be able to get them all in my opinion. |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
1082
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Posted - 2013.05.02 08:06:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:Hello don't ignore my post. You are only going to able to train 30% of the total number of skills in dust, if you start now and play untill you die an old man in a hospital. Have you people lost it ???
Dropsuits should be sp cost x4 at most. Keeping dust at no more than 20 years of skills should be a god damn poster in the dev offices. I'm sickened, this better not still be around in 2-3 months becuase after testing the new build you won't he seeing wasting my time Sorry didn't mean to seem rude didn't see ya post bud. I see what your saying, it may take awhile to get ALL proto suits but why would you? CCP is trying to make players specialise in a set role, meaning you can't hybrid class yourself without penalty. Dust we actually play to earn our SP, where as in EVE you have to wait pretty much. I'm assuming you taken into account that Dust gives active and passive SP as well as throwing in holidays where we can earn more. Where as EVE you only get passive sp. How did you come to your conclusion btw, did you use weekly caps as a basic ref and worked out how long it'd take literally to get Proto on all suits?
Yes, I used the weekly cap with the booster , divided the total needed sp to find the number of weeks needed. Its too high , these are the frigates of dust .there will be so, so many many things that take 6 months to train into I promise. Dropsuits are too numerous to justify the skill multiplier. That's all I'm saying.
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1198
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Posted - 2013.05.02 08:06:00 -
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Nstomper wrote: The game is harder now for new people becuase of the so many people that are in protosuits now this actually gives them a fighting chance because there will be so little people in proto gear, its that simple , people see soething and they go straight for the negatives without thinking about the positives thats the problem
Except it will take new guys even longer before they themselves can become competitive. There is no "positives" here for anyone but CCP, they can now get people to buy booster longer.
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crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
1082
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Posted - 2013.05.02 08:07:00 -
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Sete Clifton wrote:If the rumored numbers are right and my calculations are correct, then it should take about 3 months to get a full specialized proto suit (without boosters). I know that's longer than now, but I think that's a pretty fair amount if time. They're the best equipment in the game, it should take a while to get them and you shouldn't expect to be able to get them all in my opinion. Just a little over 4 months , 24 protosuits will be aviable to train for when all suits are released. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
314
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Posted - 2013.05.02 08:09:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:DeeJay One wrote:Also CCP has stated from the begining that in Dust there will be at least years 7 years worth of skills, so everybody knew what he was getting into... That was with the old system, this new one takes 40 years If that's true, my kids will be approaching their 50's
But like I've said in plenty of topics: Tournament build. There's no way they're that cruel.... right? |
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