If you already have said player, then why would you want to swap them? Even for another player with equal SP?

The core of this argument is wrong.

Passive Booster = faster SP.

All it does is increase the rate at which passive SP accumulates. That's the definition of "faster". It doesn't hand you SP without any time spent to accumulate. You still have to wait a week for your week's worth of boosted SP.

Active Booster = easier SP.

You still have to enter matches. It doesn't give you SP based on games you already played. It doesn't just hand a pile of SP that ignores the cap. You still have to be playing (or AFKing, but that's another issue) to get the SP bonus from the Booster. But for the effort it would normally take to get 1000 SP, you're rewarded with 1500. More SP for same effort = easier. Again, fits the definition of the word quite nicely.

More SP = nope.

There is no option that says "pay X moneys, get Y SP" None. It doesn't exist. There is nothing that just directly gives you more SP. And there shouldn't be.

Both options - Passive and Active Boosters - let you build up a larger amount of SP than would be the case without them, but the time/effort still needs to be spent to make the most out of them.If you buy a 30 day Passive Booster, then look back on your account in a week, you won't have the full 30 days worth of bonus SP yet. If you buy a 7-day Active Booster, activate it then come back after a week without playing, you don't get a stack of SP for buying the Booster.

Then why have SP at all?

AAhahahahaha, seriously? Thats like asking why have more than one weapon.

Progression, motivation, rewards, treats. It's the carrot on the stick! It makes you feel like you have achieved something, it makes you feel like you have something to strive for. It's gameplay benefits are choice.
The actual SP training system servers a couple of purposes, one its gates the content. It stops players from access the entire game at once. Without the training time, it would be like getting Bioshock Infinite, turning on god mode, disabling player collision detection and letting the player choose what order they'd like to play the levels in. It also means the player gets exposed to new items and gear at a slower rate giving them time to learn what everything does.




But seriously though. You didn't answer my question. Why would you want to swap that player out?

Thats the point of the OP. IF you are paying for something it should be convenience. Eliminitating the grind is a convenience by this will allow players who wish to to pay for SP that they can earn without playing the game and thus taking up space in a game mode where ppl want to play(hence AFK).

People think that spending time in a game is in itself mandatory to provide content, i saw paying is providing content because paying means you are helping to fund future content. Those who wish to grind are free to do so and still earn just as much SP as the ppl who pay for the convenience of not having to play.

In eve its even more extreme you pay and you grow you character over time no matter how much you play. In fact you can just set skills and never login until those skills are completed as long as you maintain the account. I know because as i type this my eve toon is progressing.

Basically take a piece of that model into Dust by giving the option to pay and not have to play and earn the same SP a person earns while playing. Thus they can avoid the grind and not take up room in the game and still earn the same benefits as someone who plays to earn the same effect. IT isnt P2W because you arent getting ahead of anyone.

The only way you get ahead is because you are earning a booster rated soft cap. But again you have to "play" to earn that extra SP. See why its works without breaking the fundamental fear of F2P becoming P2W.

The carrot and the stick makes sense in a game that has nothing else to offer. This game does or do you concede that really after you are done grinding in this game there isnt much else but play a third rate lobby shooter that holds no meaning beyond isolated matches where ppl pretend it really all means something more? (cause you might be on to something there)

Sorry this game isnt rocket science. Maybe the point holds true in EVE but this is DUST it really isnt that complicated if you really feel it is that diffiicult and requires a lot of time to learn this game i suggest you buy Zitro's book (now in a kindle edition)

True, the carrot on the stick is an added benefit, but without it, then dust is just the latest quake with a new coat of paint. Having a persistent character that grows over time in line with your play style preferences is central to what makes dust different.

No it's not very hard. For me, or for you. But what if this was the first FPS you had ever played? What if you don't instinctively know the difference between a rifle and a sub-machine gun? There are a lot of items in the game now, you could spend a good deal of time just browsing through them and figuring out what each does. Now double that number, then double it again, then again. When CCP has finished fleshing out racial variants and subtypes of militia, basic, advance, prototype and officer gear...well...let's just say that it's a big number. If you picked up dust for the first time and were told to go fit a drop suit, most people would just give up straight away because there are far too many options and they'd have nothing to base their decisions on. Choice paralysis is bad.

Locked in syndrome is worse. While it may make for variety in some peoples mind, again this isnt EVE where the shard is only limited for large events. OW fleet comps can reach extremely high numbers. New players can be taught to specialize into a very specific role for use because well hey fleet comps are nearly limitless in size you can take a new player in a hyperspecialized role and make them useful.

This is a instanced lobby shooter with fixed player count. There are so many uses for a DS pilot. Guess what happens ppl wont use dedicated DS pilots when having someone who can be specialized in Assault or Logi can just use a militia DS for the quick transport job and let the thing blow up after its served its purpose. Thats the point these specialty roles are limited value utility currently and for a very long time. This makes them less useful in competitive matches and thus limits their ability to play the game.

But what about when the game get 24 v 24 32v32 256v256.

Not happening for a VERY VERY LONG time if ever why?

Because its not stable enough. We do CB's all the time stuff disconnects like crazy. By jenza's own admission they got Internal errors during the first game of the tourney final. The cloesd beta tourney was 16 v 16, you know why CBs are only 8v8 and not 16 v16 now when they were able to host it months ago. ITs not stable enough.

This game has a long way to go before it is stable enough to host large mathces. Even then player counts arent high enough and CCP said they wanted small FPS oriented groups to be able to compete in PC (hence 16v16); (more proof CCP wants us and is trying to cater to us but keep mucking stuff up)..

Point is when you are trying to play the game competitively and be of utility you aren't going to choose a role that limits your ability to play and thus you will see less variety not more. MMO players that try to go for the hyperspecialzed role wil failcascade into nothingness. Don't believe me ask some of these players who used to run dedicated DS pilot, tank, heavy, lav, lazer, stealth scout etc what they will play. The ones who say they will stick to their role or pick a speciality role other than assualt or logi ask them how many CB's they have played.

You will see a correlation i promise you will.

The core of this argument is wrong.

Passive Booster = faster SP.

All it does is increase the rate at which passive SP accumulates. That's the definition of "faster". It doesn't hand you SP without any time spent to accumulate. You still have to wait a week for your week's worth of boosted SP.

Active Booster = easier SP.

You still have to enter matches. It doesn't give you SP based on games you already played. It doesn't just hand a pile of SP that ignores the cap. You still have to be playing (or AFKing, but that's another issue) to get the SP bonus from the Booster. But for the effort it would normally take to get 1000 SP, you're rewarded with 1500. More SP for same effort = easier. Again, fits the definition of the word quite nicely.

More SP = nope.

There is no option that says "pay X moneys, get Y SP" None. It doesn't exist. There is nothing that just directly gives you more SP. And there shouldn't be.

Both options - Passive and Active Boosters - let you build up a larger amount of SP than would be the case without them, but the time/effort still needs to be spent to make the most out of them.If you buy a 30 day Passive Booster, then look back on your account in a week, you won't have the full 30 days worth of bonus SP yet. If you buy a 7-day Active Booster, activate it then come back after a week without playing, you don't get a stack of SP for buying the Booster.

I tried to support that stance explicitly. Boosters should be for saving time, not a threshold to being competitive.

Boosters currently only raise the cap. They don't really save me time. I spent about 10 hours yesterday to hit that cap. If a booster was working like a booster it should have taken me 5 hours.

My ultimate point distilled into a simple example. You are buying an SP advantage, it still feels like a job to collect it. That is a poor customer experience for both the haves and have-nots.

I have a solution to you $28 a month problem.

$20 Mercenary Pack.
1 ENTIRE MONTHS WORTH OF ACTIVE BOOSTER
40,000 Aurum - 28,000 for the MONTH PASSIVE BOOSTER = 12,000 Aurum to spare.

Problem solved.

Hell, if you don't spend it you can even get a freebie three months later.

Oh look an imperfect scrub, AFK some moar.

Sorry, I've stopped reading when you said "CoD" and made it sound like it was something you rather buy then the boosters.

Llan Heindell.

People hating on a good idea just cause he's an Imp

There is similar discussions on things inside the CPM we're just waiting on uprising to deploy before we can game play topic focus on those as the whole 'subscription' and aur thing is next on the queue list after most of uprising is dealt with the government thing still looming in discussion.

People could just not use boosters, but I guess some ppl just need an edge, so there will always be a market for it. I dont need to use them but probably will occasionally.

It shouldn't be inside the CSM, it should be led by the CSM but involve us all, because it affects us all.

Sorry, I've stopped reading when you said "CoD" and made it sound like it was something you rather buy then the boosters.

Llan Heindell.