I do apologize for the wall of text affect. I am considering cleaning it up and making a Mk2 version soon.

It shouldn't be inside the CSM, it should be GUIDED by the CSM but involve us all, because it affects us all.

People could just not use boosters, but I guess some ppl just need an edge, so there will always be a market for it. I dont need to use them but probably will occasionally.

As he has explained in IRC, not using Boosters is not an option.

If you play without Boosters, you are falling behind.

Oh please enough with the strawmen.

What part of my statement was not what you said?

Personally, I'm in favor of the new SP system they've been talking about allowing Boosters to reduce the grind, as you called it.

But please don't start arguing for Boosters to be reduced in price just because some people want to keep buying them constantly.

The price is not the problem, the value is. I explicitly said I don't have the knowledge to set them, I was just eyeballing based on major competitors ($10-$15/month for a "full" sub).

You know, it actually saddens me that we used to get along pretty well back in the day. I think we all channeled our disappointment in DUST 514 development in different ways. If only there was a way to roll it all back...

Yes, but both Nothin and the EP are gone, with no replacements yet. Also that was several months ago and not a single thing has changed. So while it was good to know at least certain devs understood the problem, there is little evidence any lasting action has been taken yet.

CCP Nothin was working in Reykjavik. What makes you think he's gone?

They're fine to me- actually, I think Dust has by far the best microtransaction system I've seen in any game.

You're grinding less for the same effect as non-aurum users.

"Show of hands, who buys the SP boosters and then stops at less sp than the boosterless cap?"

If you do this, that is on you! Don't waste your money! That would be like going and buying a large Meat Lover Pizza, then throwing 3/4 of it away. No one is forcing you to buy boosters. If you aren't going to maximize your gain using them, why buy them in the first place?


"Right now AUR boosters just give you an edge over free players, they don't actually reduce the grind."

AUR is only supposed to give you a slight advantage, not make it pay to win. How does it not reduce the grind? A new player using boosters will gain SP much faster than a new player not using boosters. This will allow the boosted player to reach a point of having all core skills maxed faster than the non-boosted player, thus reducing the grind.

If one doesn't want to pay $28 a month for boosters, don't! It's as simple as that. I've been playing since mid March. I have only used one 7 day active and one 30 day passive booster.

Ultimately it is the player's choice whether or not to use boosters.

Your entire model is structured to where one would necessarily be forced to buy boosters in order to ever have hopes of being competitive.

The Froob
So do you would have to play every day for a week to get 100k SP? No

How do you figure up to 300k for 4 SP per WP? You are aware most new players only get about 500 WP in a match? This is way beyond the grind we have now. This would equate to 75 1000 WP matches per week. Thats just over 10 1000 WP matches per day for 7 days to get 300k in a week. how many new players do you seriously think can achieve this? The current method is simple and everyone has nearly the same opportunity for SP gain no matter how many WP they get in a match, much more noob friendly!

AFKing is a separate issue.

The Casual
This pushes pay to win in a big way, and goes even further to benefit vets who can earn 2 - 3 thousand WP in a match. You think they should get 30k SP from a booster while a new player might be able to earn 5k SP from the same booster? That is ludicrous!

The Instant
So instead of fixing the problem of AFKers, just let them buy their SP? Seriously?
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Removing passive SP gain is a terrible idea! This would only widen the rift between the casual players and the die hard no lifers.

There is nothing wrong with the current SP system. If it isn't broken, don't fix it!

If you would like to kill DUST 514 once and for all, this would be the way to do it.

You failed thinking at the first hurdle. In your argument boosters simultaneously are and are not selling SP. There is nothing to say to someone who is ignorant of their own cognitive dissonance.

Show of hands, who buys the SP boosters and then stops at less sp than the boosterless cap?

stuff

In your argument boosters simultaneously are

and are not selling SP

There is nothing to say to someone who is ignorant of their own cognitive dissonance.

herpaderp *troll face*

How is this my argument?

Your suggestion is altogether selling SP

Your F2P model says to the player "Hey look at all this SP you have to grind, I bet you wish there was an easier way", while more than doubling the grind from what we have now.

Your first booster suggestion offers the player an option to buy more than 2x the amount of earned SP. This sends the message of "This is a pretty sweet deal. It would make that ridiculous grind actually worth it

Your next "booster" is outright selling SP. This tells the player "Hey no need to actually play the game, just pony up the cash, and you can stay on the same level as your competitors."


Attempting to insult me because I disagree and make perfectly valid points as to why your idea is garbage is immature and only makes you look like an insecure little basement troll and a terrible one at that. You probably think cognitive dissonance has something to do with reading comprehension.

You failed thinking at the first hurdle, sir.