I've heard that there is a shooting skill of some type staying in for those two weapons, but it's supposed to be spread reduction, not range.

I'm personally speccing back into Logi during Uprising. As much as I love the Forge Gun, I felt like I was actually being an asset to my team when I was acting as combat medic.

And the HMG just makes me rage endlessly. I'm sick of that thing.

Sweet, what is wrong with the HMG?

The + damage and + range skills were some of the biggest contributors to the breaking of this game. I am glad that they are going away and I will still play my heavy on CQB maps. Now they need to start work on damage mod stacking penalties and hit detection.

Sweet, what is wrong with the HMG?

If nobody else will have Sharpshooter, then wouldn't it be an even exchange in range distance?
If everybody skills into Weaponry 5 and Sharpshooter (like they should) then we'd all be doing the same thing, just 20% farther away with 10% faster kills.

I point it at an enemy well within my effective range, and then all the bullets go around them. By the time the thing actually focuses and kills them, I'm at a third of my armor because they can actually aim at me.

And the thing isn't any good in close quarters if your enemy is competent because they know that if they don't want to get shot, all they have to do is walk to the left and then I can't turn fast enough. It's just frustrating.

Weaponry doesn't increase damage or unlock damage mods anymore, it only unlocks weapons. Speaking of which, has anyone seen anything on damage mods? Are they getting taken out of the game like they should?

the only think I have trouble with is the shotgun, what do you have on your suit?

What level is the HMG at?

The only AV I see from heavies is when they are forge sniping infantry players, and there also happens to be a vehicle on the enemy team that the forge sniper will temporarily shift focus on (maybe).

I actually don't have a lot of trouble with the shotgun. If they kill me with that then it's usually my own fault.

I run damage mods and a repper.

I'd run plates and shield mods, but logi support is too spotty and I can't kill anything at any kind of speed without the damage mods.

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I think more shields is but that is just me

I only run type-II.

I can't find a way to make the type-B worth it, ISK wise.

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So your other angle is to tell us sharpshooter is no longer in the game... and we should adapt... my gawd! With such knowledge, you must surely know the meaning of life!

Please, tell us why we are here?!! l

I'm sorry, I didn't know how else to reply to this. This whole "learn to adapt" and "learn to play your class / role" is not the point. Pretty sure the heavies that are concerned about this, have been playing their class for quite some time, so it's not a matter of learning to adapt, it's a matter of being concerned about what's going to happen to a class that's already been nerfed hard in the past, and is still cried about by the community.

We're speculating and discussing. Saying that some heavies in here chose the wrong suit comes across as an insult tbh. I know some of these heavies, and know some are among the best in the game. So you're saying they chose the wrong class?

Weaponry doesn't increase damage or unlock damage mods anymore, it only unlocks weapons. Speaking of which, has anyone seen anything on damage mods? Are they getting taken out of the game like they should?

I've heard that there is a shooting skill of some type staying in for those two weapons, but it's supposed to be spread reduction, not range.

I'm personally speccing back into Logi during Uprising. As much as I love the Forge Gun, I felt like I was actually being an asset to my team when I was acting as combat medic.

And the HMG just makes me rage endlessly. I'm sick of that thing.

The only problem that I am seeing wit the Heavy Machine Gun is this
HEAVY MACHINE GUN OPERATON LEVEL 5
HEAVY WEAPON SHARPSHOOTER LEVEL 5
HEAVY MACHINE GUN PROFICIENCY LEVEL 5

Targets are still standing. All you see are these blue flairs and sounds like broken glass. Does not even do a dent of damage to theirs shields and armor. When you have HEAVY WEAPON CAPACITY at LEVEL 2 and you have use half of your ammo on one person, their is really something wrong here. Does not matter what you use what prototype you use.
Boundless Heavy Machine gun for all around action.
Freedom assault Heavy machine gun. to shoot far targets
Six kin Burst Heavy machine gun for those shorts burst that should kill a person, yet does not.
I can go on about the Advanced Machine guns like the MH-82 and the standard Heavy Machine gun too. Why waist time and skill points on items that are not working properly.

Sota Pop and i were discussing the changes to the skills next build and looked down at it for our belovid heavy class. We found sharpshooter no longer giving ranged bonuses cripples the HMG into a bigger SMG for short ranged engagements only. The HMG did benefit very well from the range bonus with how bullet falloff works (bullet damage over distance). Also, there will be no passive skills to increase weapon damage. The HMG is a spam cannon and relies on the buffs to make each shot hit hard, wich it wont anymore. So in conclusion, the HMG double wont do damage or even reach at distance, and wont chew through suits nearly as well. Between assult suit strafing and their 450+ most heavys are soloed by assult players at point blank. That is were a heavy is best and its happening now with the skills giving the HMG the bonuses it needs! Its still not working! Of course heavys generally get out gunned at mid to long range but that jus adds to the promblem. What is left for a heavy when these skills are taken away? Heavys will need B series or protosuits for pubs. The heavy will be 3 times as expensive to die 3 times quicker. If they moderate the prices on heavy gear wel be twice as expensive and still out DPS'ed, out ranged, out manuvered, and left to with only our butthurt because we have no more money to buy our gear nor SP sence heavy is THE most SP intensive class.

To top it all off, much like the swarm launcher, the plasma cannon is going to be a light weapon for all classes to use and much like the forge gun, its going to be a hybrid weapon (effective against sheilds and armor) with dumbfire capabiltys. Unlike the forge gun it will be dirt cheap because it is NOT heavy exclusive gear and thus will be used in place of forge guns. So the hmg sucks and heavys arnt needed for desinated AV any longer.

What im saying is, there is no reason to play heavy. Ifyou want lots of HP stack 4 complex sheild mods on an assult suit and skill up sheild controle to lv 5. over 500 sheilds, MORE than most heavys. Stack 2 or 3 complex armor extenders and you will have close or over 1100 effective HP and still be more mobile than a heavy. Your AR will outrange and out DPS them too. You also have equipment slots for 1/2 to 1/3 the price of the equvilant heavy suit. Also spent less SP on your superior class and fit. There is no reason for anyone to play heavy come uprising.

*There is no insentive to play heavy*

Ouch