Buying ISK would be the equivalent of buying power.

No go.

Also: The UVT is in place because the voice chat is handled by a third party. The UVT profits go to maintaining it.

Yeah isk booster will be in the pay to win category so sorry but no

No. If you want ISK from payment, you just need to wait until the secondary player-controlled market opens up and allow you to sell UVTs to other players for ISK. Please keep in mind that ISK earned this way will vary according to the strict New Eden laws of Supply & Demand.

What does any of that have to do with this discussion? The point of this discussion is nobody really wants UVTs and they can very easily be replaced with an ISK booster that would make CCP far more money than UVTs ever will.

I haven't bought a UVT in months, because it's truly pointless.

ISK booster would make much more sense since there are a multitude of people who struggle with ISK.

Unfortunately, UVT's aren't really that limiting. Yes, you can't chat within corp or local, but tbh, who wants to chat in local?

Squad chat is unaffected, and I *think* team chat is unaffected either. UVT's won't be worth that much.

As for buying an isk booster with AUR... It won't be pay to win, as sure, you can keep sending out high-tier weapons out far more often than anyone else, but it doesn't improve how well you do with them. But I still disagree with it. As previously stated, there has never been a service in New Eden where you can directly buy isk with real money AS SUGGESTED BY THE OP. It's always been in the form of real money > item > isk. It helps keep the economy stable, and helps to keep the market entirely player-driven. There's no new source of isk, so there's no ridiculous inflation.

My comment has everything to do with this discussion. Let me point it out.

1. The New Eden economy has never seen any cash-bought item that can boost a player's income like you recommended.

2. Player income, as it stands, is based on the dynamic and somewhat chaotic market forces of the economy. Dumb players lose ISK while smart players gain ISK. It's a no brainer.

3. UVTs are expected to become a very hot commodity in New Eden which will enable players who don't have cash to get a UVT for ISK by simply buying one from a player who already has one and willing to sell it after purchasing it with AUR. It's just like how PLEX works in Eve Online.

4. There are already enough players that I know of who have stockpiled a large sum of UVTs for the reason mentioned in #3.

Why would anyone need to boost ISK gains? Just don't run stuff you can't afford to lose.

Ugh, once again. Not the point of this discussion. The point is finding a way to get rid of UVTs that no one likes. Besides, youre telling me that a ISK booster would be useless? As in no one would ever buy it?

No, on the contrary, everyone would buy it. It's not useless, it's too good.

And why would you want to get rid of UVTs? Just because you don't have a use for them doesn't mean others don't.

The world has never seen an MMO like EVE tied to a FPS like Dust either, so I guess Dust shouldnt exist through your logic, correct?

Excuse me, but this is not what my logic meant. Don't twist it.

Dumb players would still lose ISK, and smart players would still gain ISK if a ISK booster is implemented.

This is true.

UVTs will never be as popular as boosters, no matter what you or your friends want to believe. They will sell for (as an example, not real numbers) something like 1 to 10 million ISK for 1 day to 30 day whereas boosters will sell for 50 to 500 million for 1 day to 30 day.

I never said nor tried to imply that UVTs are going to be better. I'm just pointing out the fact that UVTs will be a hot commodities. SP boosters are going to be a hot commodity as well. However, neither of us can know for certain how much players will pay for each so we will have to wait until then to see how the market goes.

Anymore illogical arguments you want to bring to the table? Cause it sounds mostly like you dont like this idea because youre planning on making ISK off of UVTs in the future. The far distant future that is probably a year or more from now of the player run market existing.

Look, I know we have our differences, but you and I can come to an agreement that the economy is too delicate for something like ISK boosters to exist and we don't know what damaging repercussions this can bring to the market. I can already see ISK inflation as a result of ISK boosters which can undermine the value of ISK over time once the market hits. Besides, CCP can already control the ISK flow and can adjust the ISK faucet accordingly depending on how we play and provide our feedback. If CCP sees we are not earning enough ISK for the effort we put in, they will increase the rewards. Besides, who is to say that skill books won't get introduced to help us boost our PVE mission income?

I believe I outlined this in the OP. Being able to socialize with other people in an MMO should not be inhibited and thats exactly what a UVT does. We all have a use for what the UVT allows us to do, the point is we should be able to do it without paying for it.

There are two separate issues at play here.

Free voice communication I am totally for.

Replacing it with ISK booster is yet to be proven as worthwhile on its own merits, isolated from the UVT discussion.

No, we cannot come to an agreemant about that. What economy, market, and ISK inflation are you talking about!? We have none of these things. I believe that when we get the market we will also get some form of ISK transfer between EVE and Dust that will be far worse for inflation than an ISK booster that you still have to earn your ISK in matches to use while likely losing assets. Have you also already forgotten about that thing called PC thats coming out soon that will fill every big alliance/corps pockets with enough ISK to the point where they will likely never need ISK again?

UVT is simply a burden on the EVE and Dust link that will never be fully successfully implimented as long as UVT exists.

Dust may not have those things market wise, but Eve Online does and it is a beast of an economy that took 10 years to perfect. At the moment, the Dust and Eve economies are isolated. But once the two economies start to merge and ISK finally flows between the two, CCP has already confirmed that ISK transfers between a Dust and Eve account will see heavy taxes imposed. Therefore, it will be pointless to try to flood a Dust player with 100 million ISK if a good chunk of that ISK simply gets destroyed by the tax system along the way.

No, I have not forgotten about PC. In fact, PC is the very reason I am against your idea of an ISK booster because what's the point of having such a booster if your income will be increased via other sources anyways in the near future?



By the way, don't assume that corps will get super rich like that. There will be way to keep the ISK flow under control. CCP Diagoras will make sure of that.