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RECON BY FIRE wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

RECON BY FIRE wrote:

Its a little messed up to have a single corp with 2 people sitting on the CPM dont ya think? Especially considering Jenza hasnt done anything for this community since January, and the fact that there are so many more people who are more than qualified for the spot.

I am not part of Jenza's corp by affilation, I am just a guest in Betamax as a closed beta tester involving in the testing community back then. I am there only as a welcomed Guest, I do not render political aid, I do not manage any leadership positions in the corp, I am just there to chat and help train. I will probably help field PC battles but only to get used to the systems and understand the game more.

Dude, I was ok with you being on there until this BS statement. How can you seriously help guide Dust if this is the noncommital attitude you have? You are a part of Betamax, thats the end of that story. One corporation, and arguably alliance, should not have two members sitting on the CPM especially considering no one was elected. If the community elected them then whatever, but for two to be appointed from the same corp is corrupt and will instill a huge bias in the CPM.

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Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1304	Posted - 2013.04.20 03:56:00 - [61] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Recon, i understand that and why you have a massive problem towards me. during january and febuary some major stuff happened in real life that is too personal and distressing for me to post to random internet strangers, but needess to say that it was a big deal. I actually wanted to have the opportunity to explain these things to you but you kinda jumped ship which i dont mind to be honest. point is that things are okay now which allows me to put the time and effort into the CPM that it deserves. I can understand why some imps may have misgivings about me being in the CPM, but i promise you all i will be doing everything i can in this position to help the community. Since early early early beta i have done so much to try and make this game a success and that will continue as i gain new tools to help the community as a member of CPM. You were tapped for your second X chromosome. End of story. whatever. See you at fanfest. ... Oh wait... I don't plan on walking around with a sign that says Noc. So how will you know?
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 151	Posted - 2013.04.20 08:10:00 - [62] - Quote Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote: Hopefully the council that is active will increase to 5. 3 seems to be a very small number that can be easily Stacked with proper organization. Once voting by the player base is allowed and you know how we like to exploit stuff ;) Good luck to you 3 Just to clarify, there are indeed 5 members of the CPM: Kane Spero, Jenza Aranda, Nova Knife, Iron Wolf Saber, and myself. Thanks again for the kind words! o7
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 399	Posted - 2013.04.20 09:25:00 - [63] - Quote Congratulations members of the CPM! While I know I've had my disagreements with some of you in the past, and supported some of you as well, I hope that with you people fronting us, we can push DUST 514 into the realm of greatness alongside EVE Online, and not remain a notation in EVE Online's history.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1168	Posted - 2013.04.20 11:47:00 - [64] - Quote This is a joke, as I've defined in another thread. Straight up all of these CPM members are rather self-serving. CSM 7 was absolutely terrible at communication and all of these CPM members have shown some less than savory behavior on the forums and in-game. The only CPM member I would trust to voice my opinion on certain issues is Iron Wolf Saber and I don't know him that well. Either way, I find it very hard to put faith in two corporate honchos, a website blogger and a former CSM member of which that CSM was absolutely terrible at their job - voicing what THEY wanted to, rather than the community. Looks like these members were selected solely due to their high profile in the 'community' rather than actually improving the game's experience for said community, but I suppose when you advertise yourself well you get all sorts of perks.
Salazar Skye-fire Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 94	Posted - 2013.04.20 12:42:00 - [65] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: Its a little messed up to have a single corp with 2 people sitting on the CPM dont ya think? Especially considering Jenza hasnt done anything for this community since January, and the fact that there are so many more people who are more than qualified for the spot. I am not part of Jenza's corp by affilation, I am just a guest in Betamax as a closed beta tester involving in the testing community back then. I am there only as a welcomed Guest, I do not render political aid, I do not manage any leadership positions in the corp, I am just there to chat and help train. I will probably help field PC battles but only to get used to the systems and understand the game more. Dude, I was ok with you being on there until this BS statement. How can you seriously help guide Dust if this is the noncommital attitude you have? You are a part of Betamax, thats the end of that story. One corporation, and arguably alliance, should not have two members sitting on the CPM especially considering no one was elected. If the community elected them then whatever, but for two to be appointed from the same corp is corrupt and will instill a huge bias in the CPM. its overly obvious that he will be his own entity shortly after release. playing with the same friends helps out thats all there is to that. are the farmers that jelly they not have a buddy in a spot? shut up and go grow some KITTEH corn!!
Zion Shad ZionTCD 1698	Posted - 2013.04.20 12:43:00 - [66] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Just to clarify, there are indeed 5 members of the CPM: Kane Spero, Jenza Aranda, Nova Knife, Iron Wolf Saber, and myself. Thanks again for the kind words! o7 I'm being supportive of this group yet want to ask, is this a Betamax Reunion Tour? I just find it funny that all of you have been in Betamax at one time. Well NovaKnife stated that he was mistaken by Betamax as both a member and director. Ok that's my only poke, now on to work. I'll have a thread up soon just to ask you all some questions.
Kaeralli Sturmovos KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 121	Posted - 2013.04.20 12:56:00 - [67] - Quote id like to say Congratz to those chosen!! id say its a good group for the initial CPM as i respect most of em and what they have done for the community. to all the haters blowing up the forums, deal with it for a year if you dont like em, VOTE them out.
THAT- -GUY Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.04.20 13:13:00 - [68] - Quote But seriously who is jenze does any one have a link to anything he has done? And who is jagermeister?
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 912	Posted - 2013.04.20 13:35:00 - [69] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: Its a little messed up to have a single corp with 2 people sitting on the CPM dont ya think? Especially considering Jenza hasnt done anything for this community since January, and the fact that there are so many more people who are more than qualified for the spot. Not meaning to poke the discussion at all but Kane and Hans are both ex betamax too.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1170	Posted - 2013.04.20 13:40:00 - [70] - Quote THAT- -GUY wrote: But seriously who is jenze does any one have a link to anything he has done? And who is jagermeister? Jenza Aranda is the CEO of Betamax and the only real notable things I can remember her ever doing was a live stream charity number and posting some images of the new districts system from Buckingham on the Eve Wiki. Beyond that, she's just a corporate CEO and comes with all the baggage of being one and it's almost inevitable the members of her corporation take precedence over anyone else - such is the nature of these things. Jagermeister was a CSM (council of stellar management) 7 member who specialized in Faction Warfare, ironic as it may be being as the moment he joined the CSM the Faction Warfare system was revamped and many of the issues were fixed anyway. Problem with the CSM 7 however (and many others before it) is that they simply did not give a flying **** about what the community wanted to see, and a number of them would only ever speak to the community during voting season. Worse yet, they wouldn't even bother reaching out to the community other than to say, "No, that's a stupid idea because I said so." Edit: Honestly, all of these "candidates" are rubbish. Iron Wolf Saber was the only one who actually cared about the community as a whole and he's one of the most active members of the forums. Kane has his 'tournaments' to back him up but beyond that he's just another corporate CEO who's probably going to be guilty of what every other representative has been guilty of in that his corporation's ideals and opinions are going to come first. That and the comment on AFKing through matches is just cheeky.

jenza aranda BetaMax. CRONOS. 1079	Posted - 2013.04.20 15:19:00 - [71] - Quote THAT- -GUY wrote: But seriously who is jenze does any one have a link to anything he has done? And who is jagermeister? well, if you looked down this just came out...
Zion Shad ZionTCD 1698	Posted - 2013.04.20 15:53:00 - [72] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: RE corp tags, It's worth noting that both Kane and Hans are EX-Betamax too, but it's no important as Hans said. So what if 4 of them all have history with Betamax? What's important is their ability to get the job done, which is yet to be seen i admit. But i have high hopes and i do hope Hans sticks to his word about throwing people under the bus if they don't do their job. Your right, no matter where they come from or been a part of does not determine their abilityGÇÖs to perform on this council. I just found it funny. Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: When i was interviewed, i never thought of you, i actually picked the 4 people who got voted in when asked for my opinion of it, my final choice was ZionShad because even though we have issues, i think he has the right attitude and commitment levels to get it done, but you'd have been my first choice had it crossed my mind. Thank you for that Cerebral and it's intresting to find out there was a small vote between the candidates. Had I gone through with the interview in all honesty IGÇÖd voted for you as well. With this CPM0 I'm going to not judge any of them based on their pasts, but will evaluate their performances through the coming months. We as the Community need to engage them as representatives with our wants, needs and concerns in order to rightfully judge any of them. Time will revile if they are looking out for our best interests or theirs and if they fail, they will be replaced.
THAT- -GUY Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2013.04.20 15:56:00 - [73] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: THAT- -GUY wrote: But seriously who is jenze does any one have a link to anything he has done? And who is jagermeister? well, if you looked down this just came out... Really thats your claim to fame? I read the forums everyday and I can't recall you saying in on anything on the topics of dust. But I do see that you are a female instead of a male I apologize for mistaking that. But I guess that is why you were chosen over so many more qualified candidates, who actually have a voice within the community. Enjoy your free trip, and we will see you back in the community when you get back. Oh wait no we won't cause you don't participate in the forum discussions.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1325	Posted - 2013.04.20 17:49:00 - [74] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: Thank you for that Cerebral and it's intresting to find out there was a small vote between the candidates. Had I gone through with the interview in all honesty IGÇÖd voted for you as well. A vote ? I dont recall being asked to vote for anyone in the interview process.
Matobar Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 156	Posted - 2013.04.20 18:27:00 - [75] - Quote THAT- -GUY wrote: jenza aranda wrote: THAT- -GUY wrote: But seriously who is jenze does any one have a link to anything he has done? And who is jagermeister? well, if you looked down this just came out... Really thats your claim to fame? I read the forums everyday and I can't recall you saying in on anything on the topics of dust. But I do see that you are a female instead of a male I apologize for mistaking that. But I guess that is why you were chosen over so many more qualified candidates, who actually have a voice within the community. Enjoy your free trip, and we will see you back in the community when you get back. Oh wait no we won't cause you don't participate in the forum discussions. You are very dumb. How many other "more qualified" candidates, regardless of their gender, have been recognized by CCP not once but TWICE for their outstanding community support? I wasn't aware that criticisms for CCP's choices had been reduced to sexism.
Zion Shad ZionTCD 1698	Posted - 2013.04.20 19:09:00 - [76] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: A vote ? I dont recall being asked to vote for anyone in the interview process. It was prob read wrong. Like I said I didn't do an interview so I'm not sure.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 913	Posted - 2013.04.20 20:09:00 - [77] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Zion Shad wrote: Thank you for that Cerebral and it's intresting to find out there was a small vote between the candidates. Had I gone through with the interview in all honesty IGÇÖd voted for you as well. A vote ? I dont recall being asked to vote for anyone in the interview process. We was asked, or at least i was.. who are the top 5 people i'd pick except myself. My choice was Kane, Nova, Ironwolf, Jenza and Shad. Has i thought of Hans at the time i'd have picked him over Shad.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1328	Posted - 2013.04.21 11:13:00 - [78] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Zion Shad wrote: Thank you for that Cerebral and it's intresting to find out there was a small vote between the candidates. Had I gone through with the interview in all honesty IGÇÖd voted for you as well. A vote ? I dont recall being asked to vote for anyone in the interview process. We was asked, or at least i was.. who are the top 5 people i'd pick except myself. My choice was Kane, Nova, Ironwolf, Jenza and Shad. Has i thought of Hans at the time i'd have picked him over Shad. Now I wonder why i wasnt asked at all tbh. Would be interesting to know who was asked such thing.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 916	Posted - 2013.04.21 12:56:00 - [79] - Quote They probably made their choices before the interviews knowing CCP.
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 220	Posted - 2013.04.21 14:04:00 - [80] - Quote I have no idea who Jenza even is. I guess it's a ploy to entice more female gamers, which I'm all for. I still question her involvement with the community beyond that though.

Mortal Maximus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 21	Posted - 2013.04.21 14:08:00 - [81] - Quote hmm...
Django Quik R.I.f.t 354	Posted - 2013.04.21 14:35:00 - [82] - Quote It's so utterly disappointing to see so many people assuming Jenza was picked because of her chromosomes - I would have hoped that the gaming community had matured past the point of the boy's club mentality by now. Grow up you sexist fools.
Rigor Mordis Imperial Populicide Legion 15	Posted - 2013.04.21 15:32:00 - [83] - Quote I'll judge when I see it actually improve. I, like many others I am sure, would like to see CCP dig up 5 people that played for a month or two and gave up hope. Those folks probably have the ideas, opinions, and attitudes to make it better. Look at the representation in this thread. 10-12-15 corps represented?!? That in itself should be a wake up call seeing how this is a 'major' announcement. Beta for a year, open beta for a few months now, yet this is all the representation it can muster up. AFKing...so what? The game doesn't allow the people who are backed up any realistic opportunity to escape the spawn zone AND the game makes it possible to spawn DEAD at the cost of a fit. So, I don't blame anybody for AFKing. As a matter of fact, EVERY MEMBER of a team that's backed up like that SHOULD ALL AFK in protest of what is plainly flawed. If there is a fanboy that wants to argue the honor code, how much honor does it take to spawn/redline camp? Those claiming that it is fun have no balls. If you want to AFK honorably, bail out the MCC and don't hit the inertia dampener. The only people concerned with kdr are those that like the game for it's CHEAP kills. I guess that's what my first statement is based on. Here is a group of players that has been chosen to represent the masses to the devs. Well, I guess it's been almost a year and the beta encourages spawn camping, redlining, mountain glitching, and AFKing. Then, on the 6th, a PC aspect is being added that will undoubtedly benefit ONLY the handful of Dust corporations that got the initial jump. With a few absent, those corps are the FEW represented here. I hope that in you guy's tenure as consultants that you will do more to voice the opinions and ideas of those who did not have their ear to the ground. Judge for yourselves by the number of AFK-for-lifers. DUST needs those noobies to stick around for this thing to really take off and build an EVEN LARGER base in New Eden. Remember that it is those noobs that need to be convinced, NOT the ones always on these forums that are all farts and giggles and ALWAYS satisfied with what is in place and proposed.
Baal Omniscient Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 471	Posted - 2013.04.22 01:35:00 - [84] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Kain being a pro-AFKer=somewhat troubling. Hmm.... someone doesn't keep up to date very well. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=529448#post529448 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=529493#post529493 https://twitter.com/KainSpero/status/307170582196264960 https://twitter.com/KainSpero/status/299262822389530624 https://twitter.com/KainSpero/status/299192855484850179 http://redd.it/180sk8 People not fighting in matches is bad, but I don't condemn people for going AFK. If a system rewards someone for an action they will take that action. To solve the problem you need to remove the reward. I actually blew up Sota Pop when I found him AFKing in the MCC during my last stream for TheMittani.com Then you have my sincerest apologies for misrepresenting your position, and indeed I don't keep up to date these days. I've been a bit too busy to be in the forums as much as I used to be. bows out gracefully
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 885	Posted - 2013.04.22 05:52:00 - [85] - Quote Congratulations to our first set of CPM members, I look forward to engaging in active discussions with you regarding the game we all share. Cheers, Cross
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 917	Posted - 2013.04.22 22:59:00 - [86] - Quote Can we get a list of all members that was considered for the position please CCP? It should be an interesting read.
Prangstar RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 94	Posted - 2013.04.23 11:17:00 - [87] - Quote its ridiculous that the council is made up from a bunch of EVE players. They know nothing about shooters and whine about the littlest stuff. Instead the council need to be made up from actual PS3 players with extensive experience in FPS's.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 918	Posted - 2013.04.24 15:17:00 - [88] - Quote If you want to get even more paranoid, all the CPM members had confirmed they was going to fanfest prior to being chosen.
Dezus 1000 Reaper Galactic 16	Posted - 2013.04.25 19:54:00 - [89] - Quote All this will serve is the rich will get richer and the real talented leaders that go unrecognized and continue to build in an uphill fight, will have to work even harder. The council is helping the game for all of us through using the Fanfest as a platform to market their individual corporations. As if they didn't have a jump on the rest of us already. Glad to see my hard work payoff by getting put at more of unfair disadvantage.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 381	Posted - 2013.04.25 22:01:00 - [90] - Quote Dezus 1000 wrote: All this will serve is the rich will get richer and the real talented leaders that go unrecognized and continue to build in an uphill fight, will have to work even harder. The council is helping the game for all of us through using the Fanfest as a platform to market their individual corporations. As if they didn't have a jump on the rest of us already. Glad to see my hard work payoff by getting put at more of unfair disadvantage. Advertising they're own corporations? Are you serious? No one has mentioned betamax once on the streams or twitter and Im pretty much following everyone at fanfest. Do you even know there people? Have you said attention to all IWSs posts or Nova Knifes podcasts? Do you ever hear then mention their corps? No. But it's hardly like some of the biggest corps in the game need advertising. Imperfects don't even do recruitment. Im sick of hearing ignorant conspiracy theorists telling everyone the CPM is somehow going to rig the game. Seriously how much power do you really think they have?



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