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Z3R0 GR4VITY
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.04.19 20:54:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Recon, i understand that and why you have a massive problem towards me. during january and febuary some major stuff happened in real life that is too personal and distressing for me to post to random internet strangers, but needess to say that it was a big deal.
I actually wanted to have the opportunity to explain these things to you but you kinda jumped ship which i dont mind to be honest. point is that things are okay now which allows me to put the time and effort into the CPM that it deserves.
I can understand why some imps may have misgivings about me being in the CPM, but i promise you all i will be doing everything i can in this position to help the community. Since early early early beta i have done so much to try and make this game a success and that will continue as i gain new tools to help the community as a member of CPM.
Tell 'em like it is! |
Flambario Steelhammer
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.04.19 21:05:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Many thanks to everyone for putting their trust in us, I'm looking forward to helping set up this new Council to be every bit as efficient and productive as the CSM itself has become over the years. One of my big goals is to bypass the 7 years of trial-and-error its taken to get that institution to a healthy place, and get the CPM off to the right start from the very beginning. CCP has chosen some outstanding individuals to represent everyone here, who have demonstrated remarkable commitment to the community and an unquestionable work ethic.
One of the first issues I'm going to address is this utter nonsense about corp ticker - if you think its going to compromise our ability to serve, lets just nip this little idea in the butt right from the beginning. Just as the CSM has year after year, the CPM will be representing the community as a whole, not our individual corps. We will be under supervision and scrutiny from internal affairs, and we literally cannot abuse our positions for corporate or personal gain, or we will be removed, simple as that. So please everyone, lets skip right over the unnecessary drama baiting about which corp we belong to, and start reaching out to your representatives with your issues and concerns.
Inter-corp and Inter-alliance drama has zero place on the council, and all wars / beefs / conflict that happen in-game get laid aside when we work as a team to represent the community. That is why the CSM is strong, and I'm going to ensure that the CPM operates with the very same principles.
I'll try to answer any questions I can before leaving for Iceland for Fanfest tomorrow, but I'm quite busy packing and running errands, so I appreciate everyone's patience and I look forward to hitting the ground running as soon as I return.
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Tarken Genetic
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.19 21:13:00 -
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I would like to extend my congratulations to those who have been elected!
On another note, I would like it if someone could tell me if the CPM will in some way work together with the CSM? I think it is critically that the two entities work together, I know somethings will have to stay apart, but further down the line as Dust and EVE evolves together it is evident that the two will have to work together. My concern is not addressing this in the beginning by settting up guidelines for the interaction between the two.
Once again congrats!
And Hans, you are in a good position to lobby for the interaction beteween the two entities and I urge you to do so ;)
Serializer giving his two cents |
Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers EoN.
107
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Posted - 2013.04.19 22:04:00 -
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I do have my concerns about a lack of top end talent on the CPM, as well as the main criteria for being on the CPM being whether or not you have a podcast, hang out in IRC, or are able to stream videos.
I can think of many people who have contributed greatly with detailed bug reports throughout the beta on the forums, as well as posting possible fixes that make sense. That group has been completely left out of the CPM. |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
698
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Posted - 2013.04.19 22:27:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:i promise you all i will be doing everything i can in this position to help the community.
I'll believe it when I see it. Past experience shows that you are incapable of putting biases aside to work with or benefit others you previously did not get along with. Just the other day you refused to squad with someone purely because of the corp he belonged to, regardless of your having no prior problems with the person. You've also actively chosen not to participate in community events because of who was involved in running them. I fully expect a similar pattern of behavior from you while on the CPM, but feel free to prove me wrong. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
151
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Posted - 2013.04.19 22:41:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:You obviously dont know Jenza then cause youre only covering half of the main issue here. The other issue is her lack of ability to lead and work with other people. She hasnt even had a presence in Dust since January or maybe mid February. This is evidenced by the Betamax youtube page not having any new additions for two months and her twitter account going almost completely silent.
Fear not, if Jenza drops the ball and walks away from her responsibilities, I'll happily throw her under the bus myself. It's widely known who puts the work in for CSM7 and who doesn't, and the CPM will be no different. We'll be transparent about our contributions moving forward.
Flambario Steelhammer wrote: But Hans has turned down csm 8 for private reasons and now he is here. Did he know that, back then?
Happy to clear this up right away. I was notified of my invitation to the CPM following the initial public announcement, which came months after I announced that I would not be running for re-election. However, the CPM will not be a full-year commitment as the CSM would have been, and I'm comfortable (and available) to serve for a few more months until we can establish elections and a proper CPM cycle.
Tiel Syysch wrote:I'll believe it when I see it. Past experience shows that you are incapable of putting biases aside to work with or benefit others you previously did not get along with. Just the other day you refused to squad with someone purely because of the corp he belonged to, regardless of your having no prior problems with the person. You've also actively chosen not to participate in community events because of who was involved in running them. I fully expect a similar pattern of behavior from you while on the CPM, but feel free to prove me wrong.
Let me be perfectly clear about something else as well. As a CSM member, I've been more than happy to block/ignore/walk away from countless jerks or people that I found obnoxious, and very few would argue that I haven't been an outstanding (and easily accessible) community representative. Cerebral Wolf was already trying to give her crap in IRC today about him blocking her, but this is entirely acceptable behavior if she feels she's being harassed. The idea that we are obligated to speak to every player under any circumstances no matter how they behave, or that we must invite all people into our squads is frankly ridiculous. I'd rather we just shut that silly argument down now before it wastes anyone else's time or energy. |
jenza aranda
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1063
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Posted - 2013.04.19 22:45:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:jenza aranda wrote:i promise you all i will be doing everything i can in this position to help the community. I'll believe it when I see it. Past experience shows that you are incapable of putting biases aside to work with or benefit others you previously did not get along with. Just the other day you refused to squad with someone purely because of the corp he belonged to, regardless of your having no prior problems with the person. You've also actively chosen not to participate in community events because of who was involved in running them. I fully expect a similar pattern of behavior from you while on the CPM, but feel free to prove me wrong.
if you are talking about the zion guy we are now in open war with zion. it may be my eve background bleeding over but squadding with a corp im at war with is generally not a good idea. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3557
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Posted - 2013.04.19 22:48:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:I do have my concerns about a lack of top end talent on the CPM, as well as the main criteria for being on the CPM being whether or not you have a podcast, hang out in IRC, or are able to stream videos.
I can think of many people who have contributed greatly with detailed bug reports throughout the beta on the forums, as well as posting possible fixes that make sense. That group has been completely left out of the CPM.
I can assure you that bug report system is working, and when it comes to the most serious of bug ccp does reach out and ask for help. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1244
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Posted - 2013.04.19 22:55:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote: Kain being a pro-AFKer=somewhat troubling.
Hmm.... someone doesn't keep up to date very well.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=529448#post529448
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=529493#post529493
https://twitter.com/KainSpero/status/307170582196264960
https://twitter.com/KainSpero/status/299262822389530624
https://twitter.com/KainSpero/status/299192855484850179
http://redd.it/180sk8
People not fighting in matches is bad, but I don't condemn people for going AFK. If a system rewards someone for an action they will take that action. To solve the problem you need to remove the reward. I actually blew up Sota Pop when I found him AFKing in the MCC during my last stream for TheMittani.com |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
698
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Posted - 2013.04.19 22:56:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:As a CSM member, I've been more than happy to block/ignore/walk away from countless jerks or people that I found obnoxious
I totally get that and am comfortable with people doing it, but the point I was making was that it's not entirely about the people who are being obnoxious themselves, but rather anybody associated in some way with someone else who was a jerk. Just because you wear a particular tag, you're ignored, regardless of how legitimate your complaint/idea/suggestion is. This behavior of shutting someone down because of who they're associated with when they themselves have done nothing wrong is completely unacceptable from someone who is supposed to be representing the community, because it removes a portion of the community from getting representation purely because of stereotyping. |
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
151
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Posted - 2013.04.19 22:57:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:I do have my concerns about a lack of top end talent on the CPM, as well as the main criteria for being on the CPM being whether or not you have a podcast, hang out in IRC, or are able to stream videos.
I can think of many people who have contributed greatly with detailed bug reports throughout the beta on the forums, as well as posting possible fixes that make sense. That group has been completely left out of the CPM.
All I have to say is this - The Mittani is known as one of the most effective CSM leaders of all time, and he's terrible at actually flying a spaceship (and happy to admit it). No K/D ratio, warpoint total, or other silly metric will have any bearing on our ability to represent the community's concerns to CCP.
The individuals (besides those of us that were selected) that have put hundreds of hours into reporting bugs and suggesting solutions will continue to be a critical part of the process and should definitely reach out to the CPM as well as CCP, we'll assist you however we can in making sure you are heard. The more you arm us with the community's collective knowledge, the better we'll be prepared to act on your behalf when asked for advice behind closed doors. |
NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens EoN.
131
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:20:00 -
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Never gave two ***** about the ones in eve the one in dust are no different. Congrats I guess your a beta council. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3557
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:21:00 -
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Just think of us as your megaphones with built in swear filters! |
NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens EoN.
131
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Just think of us as your megaphones with built in swear filters! Not really its empty. I can't see you doing more than getting on the forums and trying to keep up with the lastest crying foxfour does that on his own. I can see no benefit at all. I don't need a megaphone for your cause all the issues in dust are well known. Maybe eve finds some use for them but I've never heard of them doing anything note worthy, than causing me to have ignore the constant banter about voting for people noone cares about. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3557
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:44:00 -
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NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Just think of us as your megaphones with built in swear filters! Not really its empty. I can't see you doing more than getting on the forums and trying to keep up with the lastest crying foxfour does that on his own. I can see no benefit at all. I don't need a megaphone for your cause all the issues in dust are well known. Maybe eve findes some use for them but I've never heard of them doing anything note worthy, than causing me to have ignore the constant banter about voting for people noone cares about.
I remember the days when HAV whining was at a peak, when I pressed CCP about it they thought that HAVs didn't need infantry to support it. Slapped them about that notion and made them require some infantry support. |
NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens EoN.
131
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:52:00 -
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Alright man like I said I could careless only reason I even commented is they felt the need to clutter the announcement with this and new about PC or other issue are 1000x more important than empty titles that help noone. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD
1697
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:56:00 -
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Congratz to all of you chosen and I hope each of you fulfill the responsibility's of serving this community.
Best wishes, Shad |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3557
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Posted - 2013.04.20 00:43:00 -
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NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Alright man like I said I could careless only reason I even commented is they felt the need to clutter the announcement with this and new about PC or other issue are 1000x more important than empty titles that help noone.
Well.. if you never speak up and say anything about the issues... how do you expect people to know about it?
I mean browsing though your history your only seem a bit jaded, and have a hardon against the IMPs.
Either way I am currently ignoring most of the current nerf this fix that because of the uprising build is going to breaking quite a few preconcpetions. Ill listen for them again after the new build. Right now looking for high level issues such as PC theory crafting that shows a fatal flaw, or higher level improvements that needs out of game client development to fix. |
SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
443
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Posted - 2013.04.20 00:53:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:Its a little messed up to have a single corp with 2 people sitting on the CPM dont ya think? Especially considering Jenza hasnt done anything for this community since January, and the fact that there are so many more people who are more than qualified for the spot. Yeah, I do not think they really looked at the community before making their choices, but oh well. There are a couple good choices in there and it is just the beta version. Lets hope these guys do a good job. I can not wait to see them all at Fanfest. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1303
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Posted - 2013.04.20 00:57:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Recon, i understand that and why you have a massive problem towards me. during january and febuary some major stuff happened in real life that is too personal and distressing for me to post to random internet strangers, but needess to say that it was a big deal.
I actually wanted to have the opportunity to explain these things to you but you kinda jumped ship which i dont mind to be honest. point is that things are okay now which allows me to put the time and effort into the CPM that it deserves.
I can understand why some imps may have misgivings about me being in the CPM, but i promise you all i will be doing everything i can in this position to help the community. Since early early early beta i have done so much to try and make this game a success and that will continue as i gain new tools to help the community as a member of CPM.
You were tapped for your second X chromosome. End of story. |
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1303
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Posted - 2013.04.20 01:00:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Just think of us as your megaphones with built in swear filters! Not really its empty. I can't see you doing more than getting on the forums and trying to keep up with the lastest crying foxfour does that on his own. I can see no benefit at all. I don't need a megaphone for your cause all the issues in dust are well known. Maybe eve findes some use for them but I've never heard of them doing anything note worthy, than causing me to have ignore the constant banter about voting for people noone cares about. I remember the days when HAV whining was at a peak, when I pressed CCP about it they thought that HAVs didn't need infantry to support it. Slapped them about that notion and made them require some infantry support.
Yeah, no. What they did is make the HAV's paper. That doesn't make them require support, that just makes them god mode with glass heels. If you think HAV's are improved from E3, you are wrong by a mile. |
Daalzebul Del'Armgo
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.04.20 01:41:00 -
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I am glad Heinrich jagerblitzen is on the first council, not because of his affiliation with d3lta forc3. I would have endorsed him for his experience from being a former CSM member to help set up this council in the right direction from the start. I see him as being more a mentor for the other 2 members and how things should be done more than anything else.
Kain spero, Has put in the work to be on the council. not talked or been in a squad with him. but his actions will define him on the council. If he put's as much work into the council as he has some of his community projects then it should work out just fine.
Iron wolf saber, all i can say here is Vocal could be good, could be bad. If he does as much work in the council as he does his Forum panda style kung-fu, then it should be beneficial.
Hopefully the council that is active will increase to 5. 3 seems to be a very small number that can be easily Stacked with proper organization. Once voting by the player base is allowed and you know how we like to exploit stuff ;)
Good luck to you 3
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3557
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Posted - 2013.04.20 01:50:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Just think of us as your megaphones with built in swear filters! Not really its empty. I can't see you doing more than getting on the forums and trying to keep up with the lastest crying foxfour does that on his own. I can see no benefit at all. I don't need a megaphone for your cause all the issues in dust are well known. Maybe eve findes some use for them but I've never heard of them doing anything note worthy, than causing me to have ignore the constant banter about voting for people noone cares about. I remember the days when HAV whining was at a peak, when I pressed CCP about it they thought that HAVs didn't need infantry to support it. Slapped them about that notion and made them require some infantry support. Yeah, no. What they did is make the HAV's paper. That doesn't make them require support, that just makes them god mode with glass heels. If you think HAV's are improved from E3, you are wrong by a mile.
Well as an omni-soldier I have been on both ends of the tank, I will tell you one thing.
Tanks with a squad sweeping in front and two anti- anti-vehicle infantry watching its rear are the hardest tanks in the world to kill. When I tank I know when to move where all the tank cover is and trying to utilize it and only support the infantry trying to sweep ahead of me. Unfourtuantely I am a horrible shot and cant use the tanks like zion, zitro, aldin and some of the better tanks from STB could and take advantage of infantry movement. Also from the looks of it, most people's tanks I 'SOLO' are not tanked proper, ever.
If I only have basic suits and adv weapons I shouldn't be soloing sagaris and suryas. I shouldn't pop most tanks on a single reload.
Swarm Launcher Tracking needs a nerf though IMO. AV grenades should be harder to fit. Sleeks need to fly further. According to the numbers Sleek AV grenades have the least amount of kills of ALL normal weapons in the game. (actually the MCC XL guns and null cannons have more kills than the sleek AV grenades) |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1303
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Posted - 2013.04.20 01:57:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Just think of us as your megaphones with built in swear filters! Not really its empty. I can't see you doing more than getting on the forums and trying to keep up with the lastest crying foxfour does that on his own. I can see no benefit at all. I don't need a megaphone for your cause all the issues in dust are well known. Maybe eve findes some use for them but I've never heard of them doing anything note worthy, than causing me to have ignore the constant banter about voting for people noone cares about. I remember the days when HAV whining was at a peak, when I pressed CCP about it they thought that HAVs didn't need infantry to support it. Slapped them about that notion and made them require some infantry support. Yeah, no. What they did is make the HAV's paper. That doesn't make them require support, that just makes them god mode with glass heels. If you think HAV's are improved from E3, you are wrong by a mile. Well as an omni-soldier I have been on both ends of the tank, I will tell you one thing. Tanks with a squad sweeping in front and two anti- anti-vehicle infantry watching its rear are the hardest tanks in the world to kill. When I tank I know when to move where all the tank cover is and trying to utilize it and only support the infantry trying to sweep ahead of me. Unfourtuantely I am a horrible shot and cant use the tanks like zion, zitro, aldin and some of the better tanks from STB could and take advantage of infantry movement. Also from the looks of it, most people's tanks I 'SOLO' are not tanked proper, ever. If I only have basic suits and adv weapons I shouldn't be soloing sagaris and suryas. I shouldn't pop most tanks on a single reload. Swarm Launcher Tracking needs a nerf though IMO. AV grenades should be harder to fit. Sleeks need to fly further. According to the numbers Sleek AV grenades have the least amount of kills of ALL normal weapons in the game. (actually the MCC XL guns and null cannons have more kills than the sleek AV grenades)
The two primary AV weapons are extremely long range. There is no way infantry can protect a tank from a forge gun at 400m, which is what happens vs good corps. Balancing for pubs will ruin this game. |
jenza aranda
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1065
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Posted - 2013.04.20 02:45:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Recon, i understand that and why you have a massive problem towards me. during january and febuary some major stuff happened in real life that is too personal and distressing for me to post to random internet strangers, but needess to say that it was a big deal.
I actually wanted to have the opportunity to explain these things to you but you kinda jumped ship which i dont mind to be honest. point is that things are okay now which allows me to put the time and effort into the CPM that it deserves.
I can understand why some imps may have misgivings about me being in the CPM, but i promise you all i will be doing everything i can in this position to help the community. Since early early early beta i have done so much to try and make this game a success and that will continue as i gain new tools to help the community as a member of CPM. You were tapped for your second X chromosome. End of story.
whatever. See you at fanfest.
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Oh wait... |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3557
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Posted - 2013.04.20 02:58:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:
The two primary AV weapons are extremely long range. There is no way infantry can protect a tank from a forge gun at 400m, which is what happens vs good corps. Balancing for pubs will ruin this game.
Oh stop your whining things are getting getting scrambled up quite a bit in uprising. Complaining about current state isn't going to make things different in uprising.
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Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
701
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Posted - 2013.04.20 03:01:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Its a little messed up to have a single corp with 2 people sitting on the CPM dont ya think? Especially considering Jenza hasnt done anything for this community since January, and the fact that there are so many more people who are more than qualified for the spot. I am not part of Jenza's corp by affilation, I am just a guest in Betamax as a closed beta tester involving in the testing community back then. I am there only as a welcomed Guest, I do not render political aid, I do not manage any leadership positions in the corp, I am just there to chat and help train. I will probably help field PC battles but only to get used to the systems and understand the game more.
I'm sure that BSOTT would love to have you. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3557
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Posted - 2013.04.20 03:22:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Its a little messed up to have a single corp with 2 people sitting on the CPM dont ya think? Especially considering Jenza hasnt done anything for this community since January, and the fact that there are so many more people who are more than qualified for the spot. I am not part of Jenza's corp by affilation, I am just a guest in Betamax as a closed beta tester involving in the testing community back then. I am there only as a welcomed Guest, I do not render political aid, I do not manage any leadership positions in the corp, I am just there to chat and help train. I will probably help field PC battles but only to get used to the systems and understand the game more. I'm sure that BSOTT would love to have you.
Sure, need to get around a bit and I would like to see what you guys do for new players. |
MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
4
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Posted - 2013.04.20 03:35:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Its a little messed up to have a single corp with 2 people sitting on the CPM dont ya think? Especially considering Jenza hasnt done anything for this community since January, and the fact that there are so many more people who are more than qualified for the spot. I am not part of Jenza's corp by affilation, I am just a guest in Betamax as a closed beta tester involving in the testing community back then. I am there only as a welcomed Guest, I do not render political aid, I do not manage any leadership positions in the corp, I am just there to chat and help train. I will probably help field PC battles but only to get used to the systems and understand the game more. I'm sure that BSOTT would love to have you. Sure, need to get around a bit and I would like to see what you guys do for new players.
Even if they do fit that sterotype it doesn't matter. If a person is incapable or unwilling to separate feelings from rationale thought they shouldn't be representing offering advisory to a dev. They need to be clinical and methodical in their approach. That said very few can truly do that and maintain 100% objectivity and even fewer still will not actually be sociopaths.
But yea so long as people on CPM don't turn their blinders on to individual thoughts cause of tag or worse because CPM individual have a dismissive arrogant attitude towards the opinions of others it will be fine. I will defer prejudgement for instead actual judgement should the time come. |
MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
4
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Posted - 2013.04.20 03:41:00 -
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SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Yeah, I do not think they really looked at the community that closely before making their choices, but oh well. There are a couple good choices in there and it is just the beta version. Lets hope these guys do a good job. I can not wait to see them all at Fanfest.
Silentsam for CPM1, you have my vote |
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