Can't really think of many games in general that fit this criteria let alone any game that has a multi-player function to it. BF, COD and Homefront still suffered from irritating movement and mechanics issues. So here's the funny thing when it comes to people bit**ing about games:

Sit down and think of a "game" to make. Write down said rules and objectives from there on. Then try to make it appealing to people. Sure the game sounds good in your head but its like the 99% of the population that thinks they can sing, leave it to the shower and let it stay there because any idea you come up with will suck and just won't work.

Square-Enix can make a fun game with Tomb-Raider but god knows what went on with FF14. Sim City...not going to even travel that route. We can complain about how much a company sucks because they know absolute squat about making a game that doesn't do anything and keeps their audience unengaged and uninformed but ironically enough none of us probably has any experience in making a game except the few that care to tout around their GM status in Dungeon and Dragons.

So I'm not here to white~knight but its both comical and equally depressing that we all feel more than special enough to complain about how a game is made when we know little to nothing about how to either make a game let alone program one and without the slightest clue of finding a way to appeal to 99.9% of the wants of players who post how much this game sucks. Then again you could just NOT play at all and save your energy from whining and focus it toward playing with something that makes you happy and hey if it involves some kleenex and tissue, so be it! I still preferred MAG over Dust and MAG still had tons of issues that never got resolved either...

Don't know where you got that information because that's never been officially stated. It was last stated as a goal back in the 'Seeding the Universe' video, which is admittedly pretty old. But it has never been officially scrapped. It will likely not happen for a long long time if it does but they have given some details about how a huge amount of procedural variation will make the game more expansive.

As for complaints of lack of content - no one here has said that they played BF/COD/MW/MAG or any of the other mentioned games while they were in actual development beta, so you have no idea how quickly or often they released new content before they went live. This is going to be a bigger game than any of those but that means it's going to take a lot of time and effort to get it to that point.

There is a lot to do and a lot to test - at the moment (during the testing phase) everything has to be tested at the correct pace for the appropriate amount of time. Once release hits (proper full release with all the planned release features) CCP may well have a plan in place to provide more content quicker; afterall they can already stream smaller updates directly without needing to do big patches that have to go through Sony QA.

I fully agree there is a lot still broken and boring about this game and the relief will not be hugely lasting after we get Uprising because PC is still essentially skirmish and only corp officers will be involved in the strategy elements and new weapons/vehicles will only add so much to the game. However, the promise that this game has is limitless.

Also, one massive point to remember is that this is F2P - that means that people who do get bored or fed up after a couple of months have no barrier to re-entry when some new content does come. You don't have to spend -ú40 or $60 or whatever to try out the new stuff in a sequel to see if you'll like it - you can just download and pop back anytime you fancy. This you can not do when COD releases a new game or even DLC that you have to pay for!

Actually, it was. They was an interview not to long ago that included a "behind the scenes" look at how the "random" maps were made. They are all hand made, and are happy tho release one new one every 3-6 months. That is DUST moving forward. No procedural generation at all. There will be "sockets" that swap a few buildings, but the terrain itself will remain static. It's sad because that's opposite what it should be.

The reason i state this in the title is because I believe it.


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Balancing procedural maps is pretty much impossible. That will mean that good portion (majority?) of procedurally generated maps will be won by the side who gets better tactical advantage due to roll of the random generator. If you thought the QQ against SVER in MAG was bad, just imagine it when dust bunnies get a map where they spawn on an open field while enemy spawns in caves with turrets. The screenshots and youtube videos of the one-sided maps would likely ruin the game's reputation irredeemably.

Then again, better players will get better at exploiting these tactical advantages, and mitigate disadvantages. And in the big picture, it will even out in the long term as everyone is as likely to get an advantage 50% of the time, disadvantage 50% of the time. But gamers' stupidity (and whining) knows no bounds, so the screenies mentioned earlier would kill the game no matter what the reality is.

I would at least like to see procedural map mode, as that's something that hasn't been done before in FPSs to my knowledge.

Never could take an imperfect seriously and never will this in my eyes is just concentrated negativity

So if he was in another corp that makes his opinion more valid

Can I has your account I grind for yous

I'll think about it, it could be possible that I might not bother getting a new ps3 actually. But if I give it to you you can use nothing but a sniper no matter the range.

I will carry on the dream Zan o7

I'll think about it, it could be possible that I might not bother getting a new ps3 actually. But if I give it to you you can use nothing but a sniper no matter the range.

May your point and click fire true o7

Dust 514 was never supposed to be about new content or new maps.

It's a PERSISTENT and IMMERSIVE world that is linked to an already existing game. The only reason it's **** boring right now is because we don't have planetary conquest and meaningful things to do besides SP/ISK farming.

This new build is implementing that and the game is going to change dramatically - if you don't like that sort of thing just bugger off and play something else, no-one is stopping you. They never promised that this would be the most instantly gratifying thing in the world, they just promised that this would be the most immersive and long-lived FPS on the market that fills a niche role that no other game currently has.

This game will probably just turn into EVE.

I started playing EVE when it first came out, got really bored because the game takes forver to do stuff. quit

Started playing a year later because of shiny new updates, got bored because it takes forever to do stuff, quit

Picked it up two years later, because space ships really are freaking cool and I like scifi stuff and I think I had just finished watching Battlestar Galactica. Got bored because I didn't have time to make $$ in game so I always Plexed and when you Plex in the game and lose what you spent a plex on it makes you realize you just lost real cash, quit.

Picked it back up a year later, because space ships are cool and the game isn't some carebear MMO. Got bored because I couldn't find a good active corp that wasn't some drama BS, quit

etc etc etc.


As you can see, I always run away, and yet I always come back. Its a love/hate thing. I've heard alot of people do the same thing I do, so lets try to assume this is normal. if this game can draw 500k fans that all keep leaving and coming back at random times. Then you would probably be looking at an active population of like 40k with like 10k people on at any given time.

Since its free to play you can probably inflate those numbers a bit.

Actually, it was. They was an interview not to long ago that included a "behind the scenes" look at how the "random" maps were made. They are all hand made, and are happy tho release one new one every 3-6 months. That is DUST moving forward. No procedural generation at all. There will be "sockets" that swap a few buildings, but the terrain itself will remain static. It's sad because that's opposite what it should be.

I like that the actual terrain will stay the same and the buildings change. Players should be able to move structures around but the roads, mountains and valleys should stay the same.

Never could take an imperfect seriously and never will this in my eyes is just concentrated negativity

This post is rubbish. CCP has been putting out updates on a 6 month cycle for years. Considering EVE is going strong for 10 years now, I see no problemo.

Well, in their defense, they are also adding PC, and with it the ability to build planetary structures. I think, though I may be wrong, rudimentary player trading is coming as well.

I also think it would be nice to get more content, but will I continue to play based on what's announced? yeah.

Keep in mind also, it takes a lot longer, typically, to build the foundations of whole new mechanics (PC, trading, PVE) then it does to iterate on them.

I prefer CCP way of doing things atm, not rushed out and trying to fix the core of the game while adding a few things here and ther, its not release still beta and they are still tinkering things

Yes, I think that people are forgetting this aspect of the game. In other shooters, if you are not in a clan battle, all that you have are meaningless pub matches. BF3 started out with how many maps? And how many game modes? Once you get bored of the pub matches after 2 months of regular play, then you start trying to entertain yourself by going after dog tags for every weapon, etc.

Planetary Conquest will ensure corp battles constantly. Faction warfare matches will actually be affecting something. You may hold a district and then lose it...and then fight to regain it and do it all over again. Battles have been bumped up to 16v16, pub matches will be bumped up to 24v24. I really can go on.....

The issue with the game is not content but gameplay satisfaction. If the gameplay is great, movements more smooth, etc then there will be no issue. Many people enjoyed MAG with only 3 game modes, 3 maps, and 2 updates. Sure, numbers were never like COD but there were reasons for that. I don't expect CCP to rehaul Dust but if they can actually improve gameplay then we would have nothing to worry about.

And to be honest...gameplay really isn't that bad. For me, personally, if they can make the movements more smooth, increase the movement speed a bit, and increase the number of players on the battlefield.....I'd be contented