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Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:27:00 -
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The reason i state this in the title is because I believe it.
The 3-6 month release cycle will backfire. Most FPS titles know you have to update content at regular intervals. As a customer if you wait 1/2 a year for new content in a game, odds are, you will buy a "shiny new" game and forget about said old game.
If the new build is mind blowingly awesome, our boredom might be relieved for 1-2 months.
If the new build is average, alot will see this as a sign of bad development and move on to something with a future.
If the new build is horrible, we will look at each other and nod our heads knowingly and then move on.
With delays in content that take this long, you (CCP) are shooting yourselves in the head (cash register). If the new build is bad, why would anyone waste more time on this?
Ways to fix it:
1. Scrap the 3-6 month updates for big builds. Update with less content, more often.
2. I hate to mention other shooters, but take a page from BF3 or CoD. Roll out NEW (not reconfigured) new MAP packs bi-monthly (every 2 months for vocabulary impaired).
3. Roll out 1 new game mode bi-monthly (theres that word again). If this Domination game mode CCP is introducing is just like the one they had out there 3 months or so ago, no thanks. How hard is it to put one objective on the map and call it a new game mode... pretty easy i guess.
4. Communicate to the player base your ideas and "supposed" time frames. Your paying customers would love to give you their opinions and pay to do so, listen well and don't blow it off. As an example: Closed beta testers letting you know this game wasn't ready for open beta.
A few more i'll add later... |
Covert Clay
Red Star. EoN.
9
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:38:00 -
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I like how everyone on these forums are always so POSITIVE. |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
106
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:42:00 -
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Covert Clay wrote:I like how everyone on these forums are always so POSITIVE.
There is times to be positive and times to be negative....just saying. |
Sev Alcatraz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
210
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:43:00 -
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Never could take an imperfect seriously and never will this in my eyes is just concentrated negativity |
Regular Trooper
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:45:00 -
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Good point cyn also good idea to fix it |
Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
765
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:48:00 -
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Another Imperfect Crybaby Thread.
Jeez the new build isn't even out yet and your crying about it. Just quit the game so you can stop QQing. |
SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:50:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:Never could take an imperfect seriously and never will this in my eyes is just concentrated negativity Thanks for not adding to the negativity and not being a hypocrite at all. Gotta think positively eh? |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
96
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:50:00 -
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Covert Clay wrote:I like how everyone on these forums are always so POSITIVE.
I can agree with you, but understand that these are some shiny happy people compared to some forums I've seen........ |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
282
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:52:00 -
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Here's the thing. Compared the the developers of said CoD and BF3, CCP is a pretty small company. This means a few things.
First, CCP probably can't develop content as fast as those big companies. Second, CCP doesn't need as many customers as those big companies. Third, every time there is an update to Dust, Dust will be the new shiny, so people will check it out, if even for a little while. So long as actual progress is being made, this will likely be enough to maintain a modest but growing playerbase - much like Eve. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
2031
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:53:00 -
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Are you saying all console players are too stupid to have any patience at all to wait 6 measly months? Don't insult our intelligence. Not all console players are like that. |
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Protoman Is God
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:54:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Here's the thing. Compared the the developers of said CoD and BF3, CCP is a pretty small company. This means a few things.
First, CCP probably can't develop content as fast as those big companies. Second, CCP doesn't need as many customers as those big companies. Third, every time there is an update to Dust, Dust will be the new shiny, so people will check it out, if even for a little while. So long as actual progress is being made, this will likely be enough to maintain a modest but growing playerbase - much like Eve.
The last time DUST was "new and shiny" was back during the october update. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
282
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:55:00 -
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Protoman Is God wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Here's the thing. Compared the the developers of said CoD and BF3, CCP is a pretty small company. This means a few things.
First, CCP probably can't develop content as fast as those big companies. Second, CCP doesn't need as many customers as those big companies. Third, every time there is an update to Dust, Dust will be the new shiny, so people will check it out, if even for a little while. So long as actual progress is being made, this will likely be enough to maintain a modest but growing playerbase - much like Eve. The last time DUST was "new and shiny" was back during the october update.
And it will be again, on May 6th. I'm not saying it'll be awesome (I don't know), but it will be new and shiny - at least for a little while. |
SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:55:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Second, CCP doesn't need as many customers as those big companies. . lol... |
Regular Trooper
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:55:00 -
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Protoman Is God wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Here's the thing. Compared the the developers of said CoD and BF3, CCP is a pretty small company. This means a few things.
First, CCP probably can't develop content as fast as those big companies. Second, CCP doesn't need as many customers as those big companies. Third, every time there is an update to Dust, Dust will be the new shiny, so people will check it out, if even for a little while. So long as actual progress is being made, this will likely be enough to maintain a modest but growing playerbase - much like Eve. The last time DUST was "new and shiny" was back during the october update. True story |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
282
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:57:00 -
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SoTa of PoP wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Second, CCP doesn't need as many customers as those big companies. . lol...
Well, they don't. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
151
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Posted - 2013.04.18 21:00:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote:The reason i state this in the title is because I believe it.
The 3-6 month release cycle will backfire. Most FPS titles know you have to update content at regular intervals. As a customer if you wait 1/2 a year for new content in a game, odds are, you will buy a "shiny new" game and forget about said old game.
If the new build is mind blowingly awesome, our boredom might be relieved for 1-2 months.
If the new build is average, alot will see this as a sign of bad development and move on to something with a future.
If the new build is horrible, we will look at each other and nod our heads knowingly and then move on.
With delays in content that take this long, you (CCP) are shooting yourselves in the head (cash register). By waiting 6 months to put out new content, you are relying on your player base to "invent" ways to make the game playable. If noone likes the new build, we have to wait another 6 months for new toys? Who wants to do that...
Ways to fix it:
1. Scrap the 3-6 month updates for big builds. Update with less content, more often.
2. I hate to mention other shooters, but take a page from BF3 or CoD. Roll out NEW (not reconfigured) new MAP packs bi-monthly (every 2 months for vocabulary impaired).
3. Roll out 1 new game mode bi-monthly (theres that word again). If this Domination game mode CCP is introducing is just like the one they had out there 3 months or so ago, no thanks. How hard is it to put one objective on the map and call it a new game mode... pretty easy i guess.
4. Communicate to the player base your ideas and "supposed" time frames. Your paying customers would love to give you their opinions and pay to do so, listen well and don't blow it off. As an example: Closed beta testers letting you know this game wasn't ready for open beta.
A few more i'll add later...
This is a MAJOR foundation laying build that needed time to be organized and set up. And its not like they've done nothing these past few months. They've done dozens of patches, and changed/ tweaked things as far as gameplay goes and what not. An example of what happens when you try to rush things out would be the sound update they did a month or two back. That update was cool for the first two minutes of every game before my audio would start to explode and die.
You have to understand how development works too. Its not like CCP has a 100 man team that has a list of things to do. They DONT just go and knock one thing out at a time (because if they did your idea would be totally plausible), but rather.... they have dozens of small 5 to 10 man teams working on differn't projects all at once. Many of these teams (im sure) fully utilize the time their given to insure the quality of the content their creating.
Again try and look at what happened with the audio update when they tried releasing that as a stand alone thing..... not good. Now think about how much better it could be a few months later when they release it at the same time everything else is.
Now ill admit that this scenario does not challenge the first part of your argument (the one relating to people getting bored), but I like to think that things will be alright in that respect. CCP hasn't even begun what I consider an advertisement campaign. Yes there are thing here and there but really the game is still in beta and so I question why there trying to get people into it at all right now. Will see though, will see. |
Julius Vindice
Anonymous Killers Mercenary Corporation
57
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Posted - 2013.04.18 21:04:00 -
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Why so serious?
CCP is doing their best, they're like amish people trying to build a smartphone from scratch. They ain't a army o workers living in their cubicles or studios.
This Julius Vindice repley is brought to you by...
BACON!!! |
mikegunnz
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
519
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Posted - 2013.04.18 21:07:00 -
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I wouldn't worry too much about many rushing out to grab the next "shiny new" title. If they do, they weren't going to be in this game for the long haul anyway. Especially since this game is a different experience than say BF3 or COD.
I'd even say a player can play both Dust and BF3 concurrently. IMO, BF3 is pick up and play. No real time investment needed. No long term consequences. Dust makes you want to invest time, SP, isk/money. You play in part for the FPS experience but more so for the persistent consequences and changes to the Dust world.
That said, I do agree that if there's going to be an update every 6months... it better have more content. The addition of new gear is nice, but there should have been at least 4 new maps brought to the table. |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
159
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Posted - 2013.04.18 21:11:00 -
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I'd be fine waiting a year if the game actually had some content. I could deal with the current weapons, vehicles, and even imbalances if we had more than two things to do and six places to them. Think about it. All uprising is adding is one game mode (if you can call it that) that not everyone can play, two weapons, some revamped skills, some weapon tweeks and some new maps( I think). Now thats all well and good, but there's still next to nothing to do. You still have play the same boring and often broken game modes hours on end to get ahead. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
284
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Posted - 2013.04.18 21:15:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:I'd be fine waiting a year if the game actually had some content. I could deal with the current weapons, vehicles, and even imbalances if we had more than two things to do and six places to them. Think about it. All uprising is adding is one game mode (if you can call it that) that not everyone can play, two weapons, some revamped skills, some weapon tweeks and some new maps( I think). Now thats all well and good, but there's still next to nothing to do. You still have play the same boring and often broken game modes hours on end to get ahead.
Well, in their defense, they are also adding PC, and with it the ability to build planetary structures. I think, though I may be wrong, rudimentary player trading is coming as well.
I also think it would be nice to get more content, but will I continue to play based on what's announced? yeah.
Keep in mind also, it takes a lot longer, typically, to build the foundations of whole new mechanics (PC, trading, PVE) then it does to iterate on them. |
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Icy Tiger
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
1166
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Posted - 2013.04.18 21:18:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Are you saying all console players are too stupid to have any patience at all to wait 6 measly months? Don't insult our intelligence. Not all console players are like that. Six to eight months isn't "nothing", and you question stupidity yet follow Contraband even after the PRO scam he had. |
Thor Odinson42
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
83
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Posted - 2013.04.18 21:26:00 -
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If its a successful as I think it'll be CCP can bring some of the talent from those other games. |
Grezkev
The Red Guards EoN.
189
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Posted - 2013.04.18 21:49:00 -
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Ran out of popcorn.
If you get bored with the game, no one is keeping you here... |
Floyd20 Azizora
L.O.T.I.S.
0
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Posted - 2013.04.18 21:51:00 -
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at some point down the line ccp will finish they map gen thing, which will hopefully mean every match will be on a different map. |
Nstomper
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
213
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Posted - 2013.04.18 21:53:00 -
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No need to add more later i already got so bored reading your first one op |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
86
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Posted - 2013.04.18 22:26:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Are you saying all console players are too stupid to have any patience at all to wait 6 measly months? Don't insult our intelligence. Not all console players are like that. Six to eight months isn't "nothing", and you question stupidity yet follow Contraband even after the PRO scam he had. Dayuum
Ontopic: i agree with mike. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2771
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Posted - 2013.04.18 22:31:00 -
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lol cyn what game u know releases content regularly? bf3 released dlc every 3-4 months cod is pretty much the same thing |
Protoman Is God
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.04.18 22:49:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:lol cyn what game u know releases content regularly? bf3 released dlc every 3-4 months cod is pretty much the same thing
COD Assassins creed Gundam Battle Operation Uncharted NBA2k maxpayne Red Dead Redemption GTAV |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
77
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Posted - 2013.04.18 23:03:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:Another Imperfect Crybaby Thread.
Jeez the new build isn't even out yet and your crying about it. Just quit the game so you can stop QQing.
Scanners detect fanboi proficiency 2, INB4 levels reach 5(IWS sighting). |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
92
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Posted - 2013.04.18 23:05:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote:The reason i state this in the title is because I believe it.
The 3-6 month release cycle will backfire. Most FPS titles know you have to update content at regular intervals. As a customer if you wait 1/2 a year for new content in a game, odds are, you will buy a "shiny new" game and forget about said old game.
If the new build is mind blowingly awesome, our boredom might be relieved for 1-2 months.
If the new build is average, alot will see this as a sign of bad development and move on to something with a future.
If the new build is horrible, we will look at each other and nod our heads knowingly and then move on.
With delays in content that take this long, you (CCP) are shooting yourselves in the head (cash register). By waiting 6 months to put out new content, you are relying on your player base to "invent" ways to make the game playable. If noone likes the new build, we have to wait another 6 months for new toys? Who wants to do that...
Ways to fix it:
1. Scrap the 3-6 month updates for big builds. Update with less content, more often.
2. I hate to mention other shooters, but take a page from BF3 or CoD. Roll out NEW (not reconfigured) new MAP packs bi-monthly (every 2 months for vocabulary impaired).
3. Roll out 1 new game mode bi-monthly (theres that word again). If this Domination game mode CCP is introducing is just like the one they had out there 3 months or so ago, no thanks. How hard is it to put one objective on the map and call it a new game mode... pretty easy i guess.
4. Communicate to the player base your ideas and "supposed" time frames. Your paying customers would love to give you their opinions and pay to do so, listen well and don't blow it off. As an example: Closed beta testers letting you know this game wasn't ready for open beta.
A few more i'll add later...
... so you want this game to be more like COD, and neglect to realize there ARE no static maps, only procedurally generated maps?
2/10 trolling.
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