Yes, I think that people are forgetting this aspect of the game. In other shooters, if you are not in a clan battle, all that you have are meaningless pub matches. BF3 started out with how many maps? And how many game modes? Once you get bored of the pub matches after 2 months of regular play, then you start trying to entertain yourself by going after dog tags for every weapon, etc.

Planetary Conquest will ensure corp battles constantly. Faction warfare matches will actually be affecting something. You may hold a district and then lose it...and then fight to regain it and do it all over again. Battles have been bumped up to 16v16, pub matches will be bumped up to 24v24. I really can go on.....

The issue with the game is not content but gameplay satisfaction. If the gameplay is great, movements more smooth, etc then there will be no issue. Many people enjoyed MAG with only 3 game modes, 3 maps, and 2 updates. Sure, numbers were never like COD but there were reasons for that. I don't expect CCP to rehaul Dust but if they can actually improve gameplay then we would have nothing to worry about.

And to be honest...gameplay really isn't that bad. For me, personally, if they can make the movements more smooth, increase the movement speed a bit, and increase the number of players on the battlefield.....I'd be contented

Dust 514 was never supposed to be about new content or new maps.

It's a PERSISTENT and IMMERSIVE world that is linked to an already existing game. The only reason it's **** boring right now is because we don't have planetary conquest and meaningful things to do besides SP/ISK farming.

This new build is implementing that and the game is going to change dramatically - if you don't like that sort of thing just bugger off and play something else, no-one is stopping you. They never promised that this would be the most instantly gratifying thing in the world, they just promised that this would be the most immersive and long-lived FPS on the market that fills a niche role that no other game currently has.

at some point down the line ccp will finish they map gen thing, which will hopefully mean every match will be on a different map.

Come on Cyn, even I know not to use logic on the forums!

May 6 is going to be interesting. DUST 514 is an MMO, that's trying to be a FPS. But instead of trying to keep the "CORE" of what makes a FPS a FPS, Its really a MMO at heart. On may 6 when it comes out, it's going to be looked at and judge as a.. wait for it.. FPS. And then everyone on here will either be "sniker" or " they don't understand the game! It's not cod, or BF3 waaaaa!!" You know what it's not also? It's not MAG. Nor is it SOCOM. Nor a list of GREAT FPS out there. I know cause I've been there day one in a lot of em. (Valor baby)
"sniff, sniff.. it should be on pc" Yeah.. And then it'll be judged as a .. wait for it.. FPS. LOL

And did I hear some one say that they will wait a year?! Don't **** in my cup and call it tea! 4 months is patients. A year?! That's watching paint dry. come eve players you know what I mean? *drum sounds* Ok, ok couldn't help myself. sorry. lol

DUST 514 is not unique, nor trending on new ground. Not as much as EVE is. PC or console on MAY 6 It will be the FPS FANS that will judge. Not the mmo fans. Not Fans of Cod, or BF. But Those that know what a CORE FPS is from the days of yore (pc) To the crazy console fps craze of now.

On a last note, and off topic. You SEVERS wish you were VALOR! YEAH BABY! For grunts!

Really ? Cause 90% of your post is rant without any logic or constructive addition.

No. There are enough games which cater to the lowest common denominator, and try to make everyone happy - and ending up being meh for everyone.

I'd rather play a deep, demanding planetary conquest gameplay, than get back to the abortion of a game BF3 was. It took everything BF2 did well, dumbed it down, and added flashy graphics.

Figures that an imp would start such a thread.

Except how to make a fun, engaging, challenging game with tight, well built mechanics and core gameplay, how to engage and properly maintain excitement in their audience and how to effectively manage PR issues. EXCEPT all of that you are right they DO know more about game development.

Howdy Caz, they have had alot of time to get the general core of the game stable, still hasn't happened.

Having no experience in the their intended marketplace isn't an excuse for a poor product. They entered into the FPS waters on their own. As cynical as I am of this game right now, I hope I eat every f'n word I type and the game becomes amazing.

Is this thread the yearly gathering of dumb?

OP basically fails hard in not even knowing that CCP will be streaming game asset and (python) code updates between builds, and only the hardcoded stuff is really dependent on new builds.

bi-monthly (every 2 months for vocabulary impaired).

Except how to make a fun, engaging, challenging game with tight, well built mechanics and core gameplay, how to engage and properly maintain excitement in their audience and how to effectively manage PR issues. EXCEPT all of that you are right they DO know more about game development.

Whose dumb? The man who examines and exposes the gap between what is promised and what is delivered, or the person who says the other is ignorant...

I'd say it's the one that doesn't understand how CCP will be / is pushing updates, a deal they made with Sony that is unique in the console world and doesn't bind them to the 3-6 month build release cycle.

Be more dumb.

But they have no demonstrated history of actually using the capability. Just more judging DUST by potential instead of extrapolating history. But if I call you dumb too that makes me right and you wrong by your logic, correct?

Ways to fix it:

1. Scrap the 3-6 month updates for big builds. Update with less content, more often.

2. I hate to mention other shooters, but take a page from BF3 or CoD. Roll out NEW (not reconfigured) new MAP packs bi-monthly (every 2 months for vocabulary impaired).

3. Roll out 1 new game mode bi-monthly (theres that word again). If this Domination game mode CCP is introducing is just like the one they had out there 3 months or so ago, no thanks. How hard is it to put one objective on the map and call it a new game mode... pretty easy i guess.

4. Communicate to the player base your ideas and "supposed" time frames. Your paying customers would love to give you their opinions and pay to do so, listen well and don't blow it off. As an example: Closed beta testers letting you know this game wasn't ready for open beta.


A few more i'll add later...

wait a second. I thought that a long term goal was to create maps using the heightmaps from the planets in EVE. . . Wouldn't that make mappacks redundant? Also one gamemode every two months? This is a very good way to kill a game by averting gamers. Unless people distribute evenly between all modes, you will end up with fed up players, because "no one plays mode x, only dumb mode y" (even though they don't think mode y is dumb at all. But they prefer mode x so they have to hate mode y that gets all the attention). New people wouldn't know what gamemode to play, they couldn't play most of the modes because no one ever plays it, so they could probably end up thinking: "game is dead, only 2 modes are played evar" . imho.

The only content idd like to actually see in Dust 514 is a solid 60+ FPS, then ill be good to entertain myself for a the next year, this sub 20 FPS screws with my aim.

That goal was scrapped. Maybe one day it shall be revived. So no, there is no "secret catalog" of maps we merely haven't seen yet.