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Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
537
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Posted - 2013.04.18 04:57:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Bojo. Send me a mail in game and add Adanu on PSN if you want to talk defense contracts with the MSF. If you're paying, we'll defend. They won't pay. We originally made that offer. Maybe they just don't like us and will pay you instead but they're neutral right? Neutral doesn't mean they have to like you.
But we're harmless havent you heard? |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
155
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Posted - 2013.04.18 05:07:00 -
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Paper tigers burn wonderfully. |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
445
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Posted - 2013.04.18 05:21:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Rasatsu wrote:Dead-end system, not accessible, so not worth anything... LOL
Such a dead-end system is pretty much the holy grail of a medium-sized corp or coalition, since it protects them against the large blocks.
Really, what you'd want do is declare (not request for non invasion pacts) that BSOTT and D-UNI will take two districts on the planet as core districts. If those districts are captured you'll spend every day attacking to regain them no matter how much ISK it costs.
Then leave the rest of the districts as a free-for-all. If some outside corp gets in then there's plenty of opportunities for students to learning politics, if it's just BSOTT and D-UNI then fight it out. Make some arrangement that if an outside corp takes over a district the universities won't kick them out of their last district unless there's less than three attackable districts left. (Less than three multi-district outsider and/or opposite univ corp has more than their core of districts)
In any case the point is that you won't be able to keep outsiders from wanting your planet, but at least you can try to fill it up with people who will respect the core districts. E.g. if there's 2-3 outsiders on the planet they're less likely to go for the core districts since they know you'll spend as much ISK as needed to take them back, while they're getting attacked from all sides. I see the logic in that but see the logic in this: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/04/an-update-dev-blog-for-planetary-conquest/The attrition table states that clone movement on the same planet regardless of laboratory is 100% Survival rate. If we let other corporations on the planet, wouldn't that be an enticement to conquer it, as they lose no money in the process of even starting the campaign? Even a 5% attrition rate is good for us because in the case of invaders, looking to hunt on easy prey rather than grow cahones to play with the big boys, it would give us a homefield advantage. Even though 5% isn't much of attrition rate, it's the only attrition rate that can be achieved in one solar system. EDIT: Forget the 5%, it's actually way more than that.
You're screwed no matter how you slice it, honestly. Pretending that Molden Heath is where CCP decides to start this off (nowhere near certain), Hedaleolfarber III is a huge economic asset. It's in a dead end system, and that's EXACTLY what makes it worth more, not less, than other planets in systems with many adjacent planets. It's very defensible because attacking it costs more.
In addition to being very defensible, I think it has something like 20 districts on it, right? That's nearly one tenth of all the districts we're expecting to be able to capture at all.
So Dust Uni is saying that you want 10% of potential PC income for free on a planet where that income is nearly guaranteed.
Imagine if Eve University went out and said: "We want to provide combat experience for our new players. So we're claiming 10% of all the tech moons in the cluster back here in this really defensible region. Surely you'll just let us have it."
Sugar coating things isn't my style. There are two words explaining this whole situation: Misguided and stupid.
I guess the word "diplomacy" is different in your books than in mine, because in mine "diplomacy" involves talking to other parties first, and then taking action. You've done the opposite here. If you had stopped to talk to other parties in the first place, you'd know that your plans are:
(A) Too ambitious in terms of the number of districts
and
(B) Way too early
You still have a chance to make the smart decision for Dust Uni and pull back on your plan to go into PC. Use Fac War for additional training exercises and wait until the major planetary sov holding parties settle down a bit after the starting pandemonium. Then negotiate 3 districts or so somewhere.
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Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2013.04.18 05:29:00 -
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You're forgetting the part where that defense is double sided, basically preventing them from attacking anything without developing specifically towards it, and last I heard, it was 12 districts with them wanting a total of 6 between the schools on that planet, as a maximum. |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
538
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Posted - 2013.04.18 05:35:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:You're forgetting the part where that defense is double sided, basically preventing them from attacking anything without developing specifically towards it, and last I heard, it was 12 districts with them wanting a total of 6 between the schools on that planet, as a maximum.
They will pay us ISK for them or they will get none. If this offends you, well you are welcome to try and stop it |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
921
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Posted - 2013.04.18 05:39:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote: STUFF
It's not anywhere, it's in the sticks. So launching any attack from that planet is like suicide, your clones are just going to die, so you're going to have to throw down some money for installations and more Clone Packs. Good luck grabbing anything but Hedaleolfarber from there. Also, you guys neglect a planet with more Districts that exists with the same conditions, Altbrard.
It has 12, Altbrard has 14. We're not taking all 12. I speak for my school when we look to operate at our minimum goal, 2 one being permaheld while the other one is constantly attacked by DUNI. We've already been over that.
Diplomacy is exactly this. Diplomacy is a tyrant making declarations and ambassadors flip the bird. Also, you're speaking about the other thread, I didn't initiate this, I'm merely continuing it.
We've discussed our reasons for PC and we're going to it. Your judgement has been duly noted, but this thread is proposing a treaty, not news, again, that was the other thread.
Also you can thank Vaerana for the PC Map to even begin with. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2013.04.18 05:43:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:You're forgetting the part where that defense is double sided, basically preventing them from attacking anything without developing specifically towards it, and last I heard, it was 12 districts with them wanting a total of 6 between the schools on that planet, as a maximum. They will pay us ISK for them or they will get none. If this offends you, well you are welcome to try and stop it
That Implies I would need to try at all. I show up on the field and all your skills become dedicated to hiding up in the MCC. I'll walk out, scope out a nice place, put a towel down, go back to the spawn, grab a cooler and chair, plop my ass down in said chair at said spot, crack open a cold one, and watch the tick marks go by(defending team starts with cannons online if memory serves)
My standard Procedure for imps:
Come at me... yo? Anybody!? *checks scoreboard* oh, its the imps. Whatever, guess I'll cap the points and make a sandwich. |
SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.18 06:08:00 -
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lol - trolls think they call out afk farmers enough they'll feel like they've done something awful and stop. How about stop crying about our MCC guarding ways and get good yourself - we were carrying teams long before CCP botched SP up.
The fact of the matter is these schools reached out to the community - found a bit of negativity from a known TROLL and were provoked to use the Imp tag in there slander against them - bringing them all into this and creating an actual threat out of **** poor trolling.
But this doesn't need to go that way - we can all find love at the end of a gun - can't we? A little ISK thrown imps way - I'm sure they can be ... convinced to go else where :)
But hey - it's your districts and clones the imps will be throwing themselves at - if you really think another corp will step up for you around the same time they need to be taking there own districts - then by all means good luck. I'm sure your MLT pwning proto awesome self can handle it. |
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki
Onward Defrosted Tuna Team
546
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Posted - 2013.04.18 06:09:00 -
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You have the whole spiritual support of Onward! Defrosted Tuna Team! |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
2029
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Posted - 2013.04.18 06:14:00 -
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I'm willing to offer my knives on a third party contact basis as a service to help defend the core districts. After all what you are doing is noble and just for the betterment of the community. |
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Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2013.04.18 06:16:00 -
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In response to sota.
You think I'm doing this to make you feel bad? I'm doing it because you ARE bad. If you didn't suck octopus eggs you'd be out on the fields fighting and dying like proper immortal mercenaries, instead of hiding like scared children.
Why should the imps get any "protection" money when they should be concerned with shoring up their own defenses? hell, I want to see them losing districts left and right in their attempts to hurt the schools with single-minded zeal, to **** and moan on the forums about how everyone is being mean to them.
I will keep links to this thread saved so they can chronicle the genesis of their downfall. so they can trace it back to one man's ill placed declaration of war on their behalf. |
SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.18 06:30:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:In response to sota.
You think I'm doing this to make you feel bad? I'm doing it because you ARE bad. If you didn't suck octopus eggs you'd be out on the fields fighting and dying like proper immortal mercenaries, instead of hiding like scared children.
Why should the imps get any "protection" money when they should be concerned with shoring up their own defenses? hell, I want to see them losing districts left and right in their attempts to hurt the schools with single-minded zeal, to **** and moan on the forums about how everyone is being mean to them.
I will keep links to this thread saved so they can chronicle the genesis of their downfall. so they can trace it back to one man's ill placed declaration of war on their behalf. Is that all you have? lol imps must be bad because they afk in MCC? I guess Pink n Fluffy making AFK a squad thing must be the worst group around *rolleyes*
if you try to troll any harder I might actually start laughing. I do love underdogs. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
327
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Posted - 2013.04.18 06:40:00 -
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SoTa of PoP wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:In response to sota.
You think I'm doing this to make you feel bad? I'm doing it because you ARE bad. If you didn't suck octopus eggs you'd be out on the fields fighting and dying like proper immortal mercenaries, instead of hiding like scared children.
Why should the imps get any "protection" money when they should be concerned with shoring up their own defenses? hell, I want to see them losing districts left and right in their attempts to hurt the schools with single-minded zeal, to **** and moan on the forums about how everyone is being mean to them.
I will keep links to this thread saved so they can chronicle the genesis of their downfall. so they can trace it back to one man's ill placed declaration of war on their behalf. Is that all you have? lol imps must be bad because they afk in MCC? I guess Pink n Fluffy making AFK a squad thing must be the worst group around *rolleyes* if you try to troll any harder I might actually start laughing. I do love underdogs.
We make it a squad thing and I still get left out
nice try tho. |
SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.18 06:44:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:In response to sota.
You think I'm doing this to make you feel bad? I'm doing it because you ARE bad. If you didn't suck octopus eggs you'd be out on the fields fighting and dying like proper immortal mercenaries, instead of hiding like scared children.
Why should the imps get any "protection" money when they should be concerned with shoring up their own defenses? hell, I want to see them losing districts left and right in their attempts to hurt the schools with single-minded zeal, to **** and moan on the forums about how everyone is being mean to them.
I will keep links to this thread saved so they can chronicle the genesis of their downfall. so they can trace it back to one man's ill placed declaration of war on their behalf. Is that all you have? lol imps must be bad because they afk in MCC? I guess Pink n Fluffy making AFK a squad thing must be the worst group around *rolleyes* if you try to troll any harder I might actually start laughing. I do love underdogs. We make it a squad thing and I still get left out nice try tho. Nice try at what? |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2013.04.18 06:47:00 -
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I'll be laughing all the way to the bank, those proto suits cost 'em and inflate my bank account whenever they do leave the MCC.
they kill me once or twice, I kill them once or twice, even in my most expensive regular play fit, I'm out less than 100k. they're out an entire match's worth of isk or more per death(and probably quite a bit of confidence for the heavies I've killed with a pistol, how's that HMG workin' out for you?) I always make sure to finish them with explosives or camp the body so they don't get an injection.
It's a bit more involved, but the extra pay is worth it.
Favorite so far was baiting a proto heavy, and they didn't even think that there would be remote explosives around that corner.
I especially love killing people using aurum gear. makes me feel all warm and tingly knowing they're out real money over a videogame. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
327
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Posted - 2013.04.18 06:47:00 -
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SoTa of PoP wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:In response to sota.
You think I'm doing this to make you feel bad? I'm doing it because you ARE bad. If you didn't suck octopus eggs you'd be out on the fields fighting and dying like proper immortal mercenaries, instead of hiding like scared children.
Why should the imps get any "protection" money when they should be concerned with shoring up their own defenses? hell, I want to see them losing districts left and right in their attempts to hurt the schools with single-minded zeal, to **** and moan on the forums about how everyone is being mean to them.
I will keep links to this thread saved so they can chronicle the genesis of their downfall. so they can trace it back to one man's ill placed declaration of war on their behalf. Is that all you have? lol imps must be bad because they afk in MCC? I guess Pink n Fluffy making AFK a squad thing must be the worst group around *rolleyes* if you try to troll any harder I might actually start laughing. I do love underdogs. We make it a squad thing and I still get left out nice try tho. Nice try at what?
Pretending we set up whole squads to AFK. That's just silly. Also Like how you keep bringing up our name in discussions that don't concern us. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2013.04.18 06:52:00 -
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yeah, Have not seen a fluffy sittin' around before, I actually don't like fighting them. they're tough little cookies. |
SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.18 06:53:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote: JL3Eleven does NOT speak on behalf of PFBHz. You should stop trying to speak on behalf of the Pink N Fluffy when you've already been told to step down - you obviously don't know your organization so well.
And keep QQing over how much more ISK the imps have to throw away then you do - it's embarrassing to watch, Heathen. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
327
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Posted - 2013.04.18 06:59:00 -
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double |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
327
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Posted - 2013.04.18 07:00:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Orin the Freak wrote: JL3Eleven does NOT speak on behalf of PFBHz. You should stop trying to speak on behalf of the Pink N Fluffy when you've already been told to step down - you obviously don't know your organization so well. And keep QQing over how much more ISK the imps have to throw away then you do - it's embarrassing to watch, Heathen. LOL. I have never spoken for PFBHz, never have, never will. So what does that prove exactly? Step down from what? So you speak for IE now?
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SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.18 07:03:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Orin the Freak wrote: JL3Eleven does NOT speak on behalf of PFBHz. You should stop trying to speak on behalf of the Pink N Fluffy when you've already been told to step down - you obviously don't know your organization so well. And keep QQing over how much more ISK the imps have to throw away then you do - it's embarrassing to watch, Heathen. LOL. I have never spoken for PFBHz, never have, never will. So what does that prove exactly? So you speak for IE now? You confuse me for SoTa_PoP - whose currently banned. I am SoTa of PoP. A completely different person. I know of him but never met.
And if you don't speak for them why did one of your directors feel the need to say that? Because they don't want you misleading people from the truth because you don't know everything.
Your forum trollfu is weak. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2013.04.18 07:04:00 -
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qq? I'm happy to take what they throw away, I spend smart. When they go broke, I'll be sitting pretty, on a pile of their ISK. |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
445
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Posted - 2013.04.18 07:04:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote: STUFF
It's not anywhere, it's in the sticks. So launching any attack from that planet is like suicide, your clones are just going to die, so you're going to have to throw down some money for installations and more Clone Packs.
This is where your logic breaks down.
There are plenty of corporations who will be able to manage taking and holding multiple fronts.
The planet you're trying to "claim" is a difficult acquisition with very stable future payoff. The costs for attacking it are really quite high, so once acquired you can expect it to be basically safe. That further allows entities to install additional infrastructure there and gain further income.
Guaranteeing safety to Dust University in this situation is somewhat silly for most entities- You've chosen a bad method for going about what you're doing.
12 districts is a relatively safe 96mil per day without a boost in clone revenue. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
327
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Posted - 2013.04.18 07:12:00 -
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SoTa of PoP wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Orin the Freak wrote: JL3Eleven does NOT speak on behalf of PFBHz. You should stop trying to speak on behalf of the Pink N Fluffy when you've already been told to step down - you obviously don't know your organization so well. And keep QQing over how much more ISK the imps have to throw away then you do - it's embarrassing to watch, Heathen. LOL. I have never spoken for PFBHz, never have, never will. So what does that prove exactly? So you speak for IE now? You confuse me for SoTa_PoP - whose currently banned. I am SoTa of PoP. A completely different person. I know of him but never met. And if you don't speak for them why did one of your directors feel the need to say that? Because they don't want you misleading people from the truth because you don't know everything. Your forum trollfu is weak.
I don't speak for them, but if you could read I was pointing out that maybe they could work something out with my leadership but you knew that. They said that because they are right, only you took it I had any power, Bojo was just hoping my corp would helpbut looks like they have other plans. So continue acting like you know what your talking about. You have no trollfu just troll fool.
Edit: my corp is laughing at you now for assuming to much |
SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.18 07:14:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:qq? I'm happy to take what they throw away, I spend smart. When they go broke, I'll be sitting pretty, on a pile of their ISK. How much money do you lose to them? Oh, right, none, because your too busy hiding in MLT showing your weak side then to bring out your tough stuff, fear of losing a little isk. Yet you mock those who've preformed well enough that they can. You don't find people like you anywhere but in the FPS genre lol |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2013.04.18 07:21:00 -
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SoTa of PoP wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:qq? I'm happy to take what they throw away, I spend smart. When they go broke, I'll be sitting pretty, on a pile of their ISK. How much money do you lose to them? Oh, right, none, because your too busy hiding in MLT showing your weak side then to bring out your tough stuff, fear of losing a little isk. Yet you mock those who've preformed well enough that they can. You don't find people like you anywhere but in the FPS genre lol
Really, I'm the bad one because I beat their top tier with my crap gear? in most games that is considered skillful. I don't hide in militia, I use it to get better with my chosen weapons, so that when I eventually do skill into proto, I'll have the actual skill to back it up, not just rush to proto gear and guns and then rage on the forums because my gear is awesome, but my skill is still that of a noob.
I guess you really don't find people like that outside of FPS's, they're one of the few game types that isn't decided entirely by gear these days. you just need a rudimentary knowledge of tactics and psychology if you want to kill a proto with militia, not my fault that many proto users lack basic situational awareness after they kill some blueberries. |
SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.18 07:21:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Orin the Freak wrote: JL3Eleven does NOT speak on behalf of PFBHz. You should stop trying to speak on behalf of the Pink N Fluffy when you've already been told to step down - you obviously don't know your organization so well. And keep QQing over how much more ISK the imps have to throw away then you do - it's embarrassing to watch, Heathen. LOL. I have never spoken for PFBHz, never have, never will. So what does that prove exactly? So you speak for IE now? You confuse me for SoTa_PoP - whose currently banned. I am SoTa of PoP. A completely different person. I know of him but never met. And if you don't speak for them why did one of your directors feel the need to say that? Because they don't want you misleading people from the truth because you don't know everything. Your forum trollfu is weak. I don't speak for them, but if you could read I was pointing out that maybe they could work something out with my leadership but you knew that. They said that because they are right, only you took it I had any power, Bojo was just hoping my corp would helpbut looks like they have other plans. So continue acting like you know what your talking about. You have no trollfu just troll fool. I'm sorry but none of this takes away from the point your leader pointed you out and said you do not speak for them. This leads anyone to conclude you do not hold all your corps information so you have no right to say whether a Pink n Fluffy did or did not start squad AFKing. And for you try means you consider yourself there speaker - versed in there history enough to give such a statement.
You need to take SP out of your arrogance and put it into trollfu. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
151
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Posted - 2013.04.18 07:22:00 -
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SoTa of PoP wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Orin the Freak wrote: JL3Eleven does NOT speak on behalf of PFBHz. You should stop trying to speak on behalf of the Pink N Fluffy when you've already been told to step down - you obviously don't know your organization so well. And keep QQing over how much more ISK the imps have to throw away then you do - it's embarrassing to watch, Heathen. LOL. I have never spoken for PFBHz, never have, never will. So what does that prove exactly? So you speak for IE now? You confuse me for SoTa_PoP - whose currently banned. I am SoTa of PoP. A completely different person. I know of him but never met. And if you don't speak for them why did one of your directors feel the need to say that? Because they don't want you misleading people from the truth because you don't know everything. Your forum trollfu is weak.
Go make another thread using one of our names please. We like E-rep :) |
Kreayshawn Coruscanti
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
193
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Posted - 2013.04.18 07:24:00 -
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SoTa of PoP wrote: I'm sorry but none of this takes away from the point your leader pointed you out and said you do not speak for them. This leads anyone to conclude you do not hold all your corps information so you have no right to say whether a Pink n Fluffy did or did not start squad AFKing. And for you try means you consider yourself there speaker - versed in there history enough to give such a statement.
You need to take SP out of your arrogance and put it into trollfu.
Orin being our leader is news to me |
SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.18 07:28:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:qq? I'm happy to take what they throw away, I spend smart. When they go broke, I'll be sitting pretty, on a pile of their ISK. How much money do you lose to them? Oh, right, none, because your too busy hiding in MLT showing your weak side then to bring out your tough stuff, fear of losing a little isk. Yet you mock those who've preformed well enough that they can. You don't find people like you anywhere but in the FPS genre lol Really, I'm the bad one because I beat their top tier with my crap gear? in most games that is considered skillful. I don't hide in militia, I use it to get better with my chosen weapons, so that when I eventually do skill into proto, I'll have the actual skill to back it up, not just rush to proto gear and guns and then rage on the forums because my gear is awesome, but my skill is still that of a noob. I guess you really don't find people like that outside of FPS's, they're one of the few game types that isn't decided entirely by gear these days. you just need a rudimentary knowledge of tactics and psychology if you want to kill a proto with militia, not my fault that many proto users lack basic situational awareness after they kill some blueberries. You never mentioned you got better KDR's then them or did anything better then them but kill them once in a while - where did all this crap come from? Stop trying to cover your ass. You run MLT because you can't afford proto. Anyone can kill someone in proto and it doesn't give bragging rights. You must be new here and feel entitled since you killed someone with a little spotlight. Do something to really impress us and send a squad of them into the negative. I've done it :D |
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