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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:02:00 -
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Hello all, as a primer, read the first post in this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=68333
Bojo's School of the Trades (BSOTT) and Dust University (D-UNI) are openly seeking to plant our schools on the Planet Hadeleolfarber III should Planetary Conquest open up in Molden Heath. Our reasons behind this planet is that it is both a dead end planet, it is not an access point to anywhere in particular other than itself, and it is low in value. What we seek on this planet is a way to liberate our wallets from donations and prevention of Taxing (we will not!) and most importantly, a way to prepare the mercs of tomorrow, by throwing them into the real conditions, but in a controlled environment. They will be exposed to Friendly Fire which I'm sure every employer will agree, makes our students more appealing candidates.
What I'm asking for is a hand, a gesture of kindness. Who stands for what we stand for? Who will protect our schools from invaders? Who supports our actions for the taking of this planet? I ask these questions because I've been asked to partake BSOTT in another alliance, who says that we need them to defend our interests. I said to them that the community has our back, they will aid in our time of need. So to prove them wrong, sign here. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.17 22:36:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Dead-end system, not accessible, so not worth anything... LOL
Such a dead-end system is pretty much the holy grail of a medium-sized corp or coalition, since it protects them against the large blocks.
Really, what you'd want do is declare (not request for non invasion pacts) that BSOTT and D-UNI will take two districts on the planet as core districts. If those districts are captured you'll spend every day attacking to regain them no matter how much ISK it costs.
Then leave the rest of the districts as a free-for-all. If some outside corp gets in then there's plenty of opportunities for students to learning politics, if it's just BSOTT and D-UNI then fight it out. Make some arrangement that if an outside corp takes over a district the universities won't kick them out of their last district unless there's less than three attackable districts left. (Less than three multi-district outsider and/or opposite univ corp has more than their core of districts)
In any case the point is that you won't be able to keep outsiders from wanting your planet, but at least you can try to fill it up with people who will respect the core districts. E.g. if there's 2-3 outsiders on the planet they're less likely to go for the core districts since they know you'll spend as much ISK as needed to take them back, while they're getting attacked from all sides. I see the logic in that but see the logic in this: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/04/an-update-dev-blog-for-planetary-conquest/
The attrition table states that clone movement on the same planet regardless of laboratory is 100% Survival rate. If we let other corporations on the planet, wouldn't that be an enticement to conquer it, as they lose no money in the process of even starting the campaign? Even a 5% attrition rate is good for us because in the case of invaders, looking to hunt on easy prey rather than grow cahones to play with the big boys, it would give us a homefield advantage. Even though 5% isn't much of attrition rate, it's the only attrition rate that can be achieved in one solar system. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.17 22:53:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote: Sorry you want to talk about cohones and you want to ask for volunteers to protect the schools dafauq?
Mercs don't work for free, im surprised even the bunnies would offer that , they must not of cleared it with EVE alliance cause noir doesnt work on credit or for free?
And if you join an alliance can you really keep considering yourself neutral?
Someday you can have a planet maybe? but i wouldnt be so quick to think its going to happen on the launch of PC sorry too many people not enough land.
School: Filled with new players, learning to play. Corp: Out for money and fights. I have a school, we're not full of bloodlust mercenaries out to make money. We don't fight with you guys because we focus on training. We are admitting that we have weaker defenses than other corps, we're not built around fighting. So it's a pretty low brow move to take candy from a baby in layman's terms.
Merc's don't work for free? Why the hell have people been playing corp battles then?
I never considered BSOTT Neutral, that's DUNI's thing. And BSOTT is not joining any alliances.
Too many people not enough land? You'll tell me that when all of New Eden is open to mercs, and we like our food when it's hot. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.18 00:24:00 -
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DigiOps wrote:If we had a training corp with nothing but new members there wouldn't be much training going on, would there? Schools of any kind typically have faculty. Very true, but at any given moment, probably more DUNI Students will be on than teachers....
Gunner Nightingale wrote:For the recors i like BSOTT, DUNI i can live without Doesn't change can't call dibs on a planet and not expect someone to go now wait just a minute there you want well we want it now just so you can't have it? Pettty yes Cruel yes Exactly what you'd expect of big bad mean mercs... damn tootin. Well, it's not like we just get the planet because of stuff said on the forums. I mean some maniac may be online right at the moment that Uprising is released and conquer the planet before I'm even online. Callin dibs doesn't do much, but making a pact (like this pact!) means that hopefully some thugs are gonna hang around Hedaleolfarber III if someone's sleeping in our bed...
Scheneighnay McBob wrote:What a name... Some one called it planet Dojo then I called it planet Bojo then someone else called it planet Bojo....if only we could change the name to something more......domestic? |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.18 00:44:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:I would like to point out that I feel like Academia III still needs a third party on world.
12 districts:
4 Battle Zones (1 per major TZ group) 3 DU Campus (their number, not mine) 2 BSOTT Campus (last number I heard discussed) 3 Other
This "third party" could be another college or it could be three different "booster" corps that provide adjunct faculty, both in the form of teaching part-time and attacking the BZs during scheduled battles.
Such booster corps would of course be signatories to the Treaty of Academia.
Those corps, purely by virtue of their contact with students (not any special quid-pro-quo) would be most likely to recruit the best and brightest students. Yeah, when you two solidified this planet as the one, I was pretty intimidated by the district number. So preferably, another college of sorts would take those districts.
GATT IMPSwarm
Those are candidates...I just got the creepiest shiver running down my spine.... |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.18 01:00:00 -
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Scrubby McScrubscrub wrote:I'm just gonna leave my two cents right here.
You're basically asking for 12 districts of prime real estate and then claiming that no one should attack you.
Why not take Kadlina instead. It's only got seven districts so you're not asking that much, no stations and only two tech moons. On top of that it's still deadend.
Your asking for the most defendable (and therefore most valuable) moon in Molden Heath and then claiming people shouldn't attack you.
Bottom Line: You can't have it both ways. Either pick a small, unvaluable planet and then create a pact to punish any corp dumb enough to try to take it or pick on that's easily defended and defend that. If you're not going to play the game get to the sidelines. Whoa whoa whoa, it has the least PC Moons and we're sharing it, we want to cut it 3 ways, not one. And because it's a dead end that means that we wouldn't be property that goes by any commerce of great value. By being dead end, we're avoiding commerce therefore leaving strategic planets to the other corps. There are plenty of other dead end planets too. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.18 01:20:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:You know if you really want it that badly im sure there those that would gladly secure it for you. For the right price of course We're getting DT'd here by the same corp. You guys at Internal need to regroup and say one thing, not two. We have Beers saying "The meek ain't gon' inherit ****, cuz I'll take it." and then we have Mr. Nightingale saying "For money I gotcha back"
Double Trolled man.... |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.18 02:16:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.18 02:20:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:will dust university join you? Dust University is allied with BSOTT on the planet arrangement. Reference Post # 10 |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.18 02:35:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:split 12 districts between two corps We don't want all twelve districts, anymore I guess, so people can have the extras, we only want , well in my mind, I'd only want upwards of 6 for the two of us combined. As a max. But DUNI would have to agree to that and yada yada yada |
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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.18 02:38:00 -
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we need land to
A) Generate Money so we don't go broke and say "Screw training people" then leave a void of training corps and have new people get frustrated and cease to exist
B) To train people with Friendly Fire. I'm sure that when our graduates go on to your corps, you'd want someone who doesn't destroy friendly HAVs.... |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.18 02:49:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:If indeed molden heath is the location of the first opening, then Hedaleolfarber is actually an ideal planet for a corporation.
More power to you though. But I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that I don't support this method of "claiming a planet". This is not a game for charitable people. What you are doing with these learning corps is admirable, but you say you want to "eliminate taxes". Well, thats what a lot of other corps probably hope to do with taking districts. how are they less important than you? Hedaleolfarber is actually not ideal, Altbrard is, which has 14 districts and the same set up. Hedaleolfarber's dead end set up is seen as Defensive gold, but if everybody set up PC around the defense, more than half the planets would go untouched. Some planets offer great offensive position, being on the routes to various locations, making it a good home base for outward expansion. We are choosing a defensive secluded planet because that prevents invasion and also frees up the more offensive planets to the corporations who wish to attack things.
Look we gotta set up shop somewhere and we're merely letting you guys know that this is where. It's of least value and is not the only dead end planet out there. Altbrard is the same but more! |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.18 02:53:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Draxus Prime wrote:as pfbhz have stated ur base is a prime location and if u truly are a training corp why do u need land? this is sucspicous... The planet in question is only a prime base for a corp with no ambitions. It is three jumps from the nearest other PC planets, meaning that you have to dedicate a lot of SI to Science Labs, lose a lot of clones to attrition, or buy lots of Gen packs to attack anywhere else. The explanation for needing land is long and complicated, but here are the highlights: - Friendly Fire (Teaching in a FF environment) - PC Interfaces (Learning them to teach them) - Clone supply to enable FF practice battles - Income (small) to offset ISK losses from training supplies in the absence of other funding methods (no trading) It is also worth noting that we are only having discussions about specific planets because BSOTT took the initiative to conduct serious research into the starting region. There is still no official CCP announcement (so it could change), but the data currently available was provided to the entire community at the same time as part of our educational outreach. You're way better at PR than me, take over this thread will ya? |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.18 03:16:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:So you want for free what all the other mercs have to grind isk for and fight on a daily basis to keep?
Are that lazy or just that incapable? Where ever you put down a flag so will imps just to prove a point.
Who says we don't have to pay ISK? Who says we won't have to fight? Who said anything of the sorts? I think you're point will be received as being lesser, because your corp in doing so will skip out on the planets of real worth. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.18 03:52:00 -
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ReGnUM Public Relations wrote:I have heard enough from your tongue Bojo. Insulting a Negative Feedback director will never be tolerated. Especially when it is from a pathetic organization asking for food stamps on a video game
At this time Imperfects and her allies are Declaring War on Bojo and any organization allied with it.
Expect an official Imperfect Statement in the next 24 hours It's about time you showed up.
Let's make amends... |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
921
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Posted - 2013.04.18 05:39:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote: STUFF
It's not anywhere, it's in the sticks. So launching any attack from that planet is like suicide, your clones are just going to die, so you're going to have to throw down some money for installations and more Clone Packs. Good luck grabbing anything but Hedaleolfarber from there. Also, you guys neglect a planet with more Districts that exists with the same conditions, Altbrard.
It has 12, Altbrard has 14. We're not taking all 12. I speak for my school when we look to operate at our minimum goal, 2 one being permaheld while the other one is constantly attacked by DUNI. We've already been over that.
Diplomacy is exactly this. Diplomacy is a tyrant making declarations and ambassadors flip the bird. Also, you're speaking about the other thread, I didn't initiate this, I'm merely continuing it.
We've discussed our reasons for PC and we're going to it. Your judgement has been duly noted, but this thread is proposing a treaty, not news, again, that was the other thread.
Also you can thank Vaerana for the PC Map to even begin with. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.20 19:14:00 -
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SoTa of PoP wrote: but your corp can't even get 8 together for a CB - why would anyone think people who are chicken to play good corps stand a chance against 'em come PC? I can almost promise you you'd be red lined by any top corp. Your down to relying on charity if you go through with this idea of a planet.
That is correct. It's not like we give away money and not expect donations from our students So yeah, would the Salvation Army stand up close to Blackwater? Hell nah, but a bunch of poor people would. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.05.13 07:16:00 -
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Apollos Alexandria wrote:Bojo, myself and a core group of players from a larger corp not only like the idea of this treaty, but would like to discuss some possibilities. Please look for my in-game mail. Sure thang....a little late on the bus though. Discussions have about a day left..... |
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