DUST Search - Treaty of Hedaleolfarber III: Refuge of Academia

Bojo The Mighty wrote:

Rasatsu wrote:

Dead-end system, not accessible, so not worth anything... LOL

Such a dead-end system is pretty much the holy grail of a medium-sized corp or coalition, since it protects them against the large blocks.

Really, what you'd want do is declare (not request for non invasion pacts) that BSOTT and D-UNI will take two districts on the planet as core districts. If those districts are captured you'll spend every day attacking to regain them no matter how much ISK it costs.

Then leave the rest of the districts as a free-for-all. If some outside corp gets in then there's plenty of opportunities for students to learning politics, if it's just BSOTT and D-UNI then fight it out. Make some arrangement that if an outside corp takes over a district the universities won't kick them out of their last district unless there's less than three attackable districts left. (Less than three multi-district outsider and/or opposite univ corp has more than their core of districts)

In any case the point is that you won't be able to keep outsiders from wanting your planet, but at least you can try to fill it up with people who will respect the core districts. E.g. if there's 2-3 outsiders on the planet they're less likely to go for the core districts since they know you'll spend as much ISK as needed to take them back, while they're getting attacked from all sides.

I see the logic in that but see the logic in this: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/04/an-update-dev-blog-for-planetary-conquest/

The attrition table states that clone movement on the same planet regardless of laboratory is 100% Survival rate. If we let other corporations on the planet, wouldn't that be an enticement to conquer it, as they lose no money in the process of even starting the campaign? Even a 5% attrition rate is good for us because in the case of invaders, looking to hunt on easy prey rather than grow cahones to play with the big boys, it would give us a homefield advantage. Even though 5% isn't much of attrition rate, it's the only attrition rate that can be achieved in one solar system.

EDIT: Forget the 5%, it's actually way more than that.


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Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 445	Posted - 2013.04.18 05:21:00 - [1] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Dead-end system, not accessible, so not worth anything... LOL Such a dead-end system is pretty much the holy grail of a medium-sized corp or coalition, since it protects them against the large blocks. Really, what you'd want do is declare (not request for non invasion pacts) that BSOTT and D-UNI will take two districts on the planet as core districts. If those districts are captured you'll spend every day attacking to regain them no matter how much ISK it costs. Then leave the rest of the districts as a free-for-all. If some outside corp gets in then there's plenty of opportunities for students to learning politics, if it's just BSOTT and D-UNI then fight it out. Make some arrangement that if an outside corp takes over a district the universities won't kick them out of their last district unless there's less than three attackable districts left. (Less than three multi-district outsider and/or opposite univ corp has more than their core of districts) In any case the point is that you won't be able to keep outsiders from wanting your planet, but at least you can try to fill it up with people who will respect the core districts. E.g. if there's 2-3 outsiders on the planet they're less likely to go for the core districts since they know you'll spend as much ISK as needed to take them back, while they're getting attacked from all sides. I see the logic in that but see the logic in this: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/04/an-update-dev-blog-for-planetary-conquest/ The attrition table states that clone movement on the same planet regardless of laboratory is 100% Survival rate. If we let other corporations on the planet, wouldn't that be an enticement to conquer it, as they lose no money in the process of even starting the campaign? Even a 5% attrition rate is good for us because in the case of invaders, looking to hunt on easy prey rather than grow cahones to play with the big boys, it would give us a homefield advantage. Even though 5% isn't much of attrition rate, it's the only attrition rate that can be achieved in one solar system. EDIT: Forget the 5%, it's actually way more than that. You're screwed no matter how you slice it, honestly. Pretending that Molden Heath is where CCP decides to start this off (nowhere near certain), Hedaleolfarber III is a huge economic asset. It's in a dead end system, and that's EXACTLY what makes it worth more, not less, than other planets in systems with many adjacent planets. It's very defensible because attacking it costs more. In addition to being very defensible, I think it has something like 20 districts on it, right? That's nearly one tenth of all the districts we're expecting to be able to capture at all. So Dust Uni is saying that you want 10% of potential PC income for free on a planet where that income is nearly guaranteed. Imagine if Eve University went out and said: "We want to provide combat experience for our new players. So we're claiming 10% of all the tech moons in the cluster back here in this really defensible region. Surely you'll just let us have it." Sugar coating things isn't my style. There are two words explaining this whole situation: Misguided and stupid. I guess the word "diplomacy" is different in your books than in mine, because in mine "diplomacy" involves talking to other parties first, and then taking action. You've done the opposite here. If you had stopped to talk to other parties in the first place, you'd know that your plans are: (A) Too ambitious in terms of the number of districts and (B) Way too early You still have a chance to make the smart decision for Dust Uni and pull back on your plan to go into PC. Use Fac War for additional training exercises and wait until the major planetary sov holding parties settle down a bit after the starting pandemonium. Then negotiate 3 districts or so somewhere.
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 445	Posted - 2013.04.18 07:04:00 - [2] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: STUFF It's not anywhere, it's in the sticks. So launching any attack from that planet is like suicide, your clones are just going to die, so you're going to have to throw down some money for installations and more Clone Packs. This is where your logic breaks down. There are plenty of corporations who will be able to manage taking and holding multiple fronts. The planet you're trying to "claim" is a difficult acquisition with very stable future payoff. The costs for attacking it are really quite high, so once acquired you can expect it to be basically safe. That further allows entities to install additional infrastructure there and gain further income. Guaranteeing safety to Dust University in this situation is somewhat silly for most entities- You've chosen a bad method for going about what you're doing. 12 districts is a relatively safe 96mil per day without a boost in clone revenue.
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 445	Posted - 2013.04.18 22:53:00 - [3] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Stuff Well then, that clears up some things. Good luck.