The drawback of speed for Armor plates might fit within EVE, but in Dust three of the four dropsuits must keep moving in order to not die super quick.
Armor slowing you down is too much of a drawback in a game like this, even a 5% speed reduction is huge.

I suggest instead of doing speed reduction, armor plates should reduce Stamina amount.
And have a skill that reduces the amount removed by 5%-4% each skill level.

Dunno fat suits in call of duty work the same way, and they're awesome.

fat suits in call of duty move slower than prone crawling.

armour waffle?

And?
As I said, I was talking about ratio, not comparing speeds directly.
Also, there is COD and there is Dust, one is a twitch shooter and the other is not.

Also, if the speed drawback stays armor tanking will only be good for heavies, and all other suits will just be mini heavies.

that is comparable to the soon to come scan profile downside for shield extenders.

Not sure where you got this information.

I would be happy with the armor plate malus if shield had a signature resolution malus.

Well, a top speed in EVE makes no sense since it all takes place in a vacuum, acceleration, and of course ~300,000 km/s should be the only limits on ship speed (acceleration would drop as you add more mass, since inertia is correlated with mass). But then again, it's there for balance issues. The speed penalty for armor actually makes sense in Dust.

^ I know, which is why I think the Devs seem to have no respect for the laws of physics. Seriously, you make a "realistic", "gritty" space MMO (don't tell me "realistic" only applies to your actions having consequences), and you base it on a FLUID. DYNAMICS. ENGINE. RAAAAAAGE! EVE is a fun game though.

EvE could have been done that way since many people think it 'should' be that way. EvE has enough learning curve without teaching people things like weight has no effect on speed and engine turning off won't slow you down only reverse will. Many people make it through life never taking a physics class.

Armour honeycombing or waffling skill to reduce penalty would be nice. In EvE, armour had better passive resist modules and the regenerate membrane that added a percent of armour with no speed penalty. These mods/skills would help armour vs shield balance greatly.

Just lowering the penalty to something like 2/3/5 instead of 3/5/10 would make plates vastly more tolerable. As it is very few mercs bother with complex plates since you waddle so badly in them.

I think changing it from speed to stamina usage is just a step short of genius. Pity the rest of the playerbase doesn't seem to agree however.

I was agreeing with you. I was just drawing attention to the physics-defying engine of EVE. In-lore, we could explain it as this: When you equip armor plates, it comes with additional exoskeletal support, so it doesn't affect you moving normally. However, spending a significant amount of effort to move (i.e. sprinting) is hard with all that load, so that's where your stamina penalty comes from. On a side note, since shields have no drawback (no, they actually don't increase scan profile), do you think a scan profile increase should be added for extenders (5% increase in profile for basic, 7% for enhanced and 10% for complex)?

+1

As I said, even a 5% speed reduction is huge and unacceptable in my opinion.
Try to stand still and see how fast you drop.
The only reason we don't drop in less than a second is because we move.

This.

The other aspect is how little you can jump with plates on. I'm not talking "bunny hop for life" here I'm talking "I walked off a small ledge onto another small ledge and now can't get back up again because I run plates". This also applies to "I got stuck in the invisible quicksand of the terrain and can't get free because I'm unable to jump, since I equipped plates".
A honeycomb skill and/or ("and" would be better) a skill/mod which gives a slight enhancement to jump high, enough to counter some of the plate use, would be great.

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Cross

My problem is that if its just a stamina penalty I can slap two complex plates and and green vial on my scout suit then throw on a proto shield extender and complex dmg mod.

Even at 20% stam penalty I'd be around 500 stam with 300ish armor and almost 200 shields...

Running at 7 meters per second...

My problem is that if its just a stamina penalty I can slap two complex plates and and green vial on my scout suit then throw on a proto shield extender and complex dmg mod.

Even at 20% stam penalty I'd be around 500 stam with 300ish armor and almost 200 shields...

Running at 7 meters per second...

What if it were an across the boards effect? What I mean is a reduction to total and regent with a corollary increase to consumption.

Or as an alternate possibility cut all speed penalties by 50-75%, add an equal stamina penalty for the amount cut, and leave the remainder.

Alternate possibility 3, do as has been suggested elsewhere in this thread and add the armor honeycomb skill. Leave current values as is but with the ability to substantially mitigate the penalty via levels in that skill. This combined with the increased profile effect of running shields (when it's actually implemented) may establish parity.

Alternate possibility 4, add a second verity of Armor Repair mod which repairs at a lower rate but also grants a mitigating effect on the penalties applied by all plates used.


Thoughts, feedback, hurling of fruit?

Cheers,
Cross

My problem is that if its just a stamina penalty I can slap two complex plates and and green vial on my scout suit then throw on a proto shield extender and complex dmg mod.

Even at 20% stam penalty I'd be around 500 stam with 300ish armor and almost 200 shields...

Running at 7 meters per second...

eh. i'm neither here nor there on the matter

Shut up scrub!
You don't play the game enough to judge!
Oh wait, you're my EVE CEO...
Sorry Ave D:

This would work really well IMO.

I totally agree with OP. When i slap some armor on my Logi, i basically feel like a really weak heavy....that's almost as slow. And in terms of Dust, might as well be...

Bump of Armory justice.

Another bump of justice

There's no point to armour plates with the current movement penalty. If you could test it out, I can almost give a certain assurance that you would actually die faster with plates that you would without them - no matter what level they are.

This idea is great. Give maybe a slight speed penalty but the main thing should be decreased stamina. That way we can compensate and compromise in our fits. It would make armor tanking a much more viable tactic. I hope this happens.

Did anyone take a look at the new info from FanFest? What are the reactions to the new types of plates, how do they effect the concerns raised in this thread?

Cheers,
Cross

this is a bad idea. heavies wont be able to sprint across the street with this change and logis going for health to have the same amount of HP as assault wont be able to keep up with their team when going from one point to another.

anyway CCP anounced different types of plates with lower HP bonus, one with small build in armor repairer and one without speed penalty.

I'm going to vote this up because I actually managed to reach highest sprint speed with a lot of clothes on on a rainy day but I was really tired afterwards.