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JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.04.15 06:42:00 -
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Enderr Wigginn wrote:IMO I think CCP should offer everyone a choice during "commercial release", Total reset (sp, aurum, items, everything) or keep what you have. Me personally I would keep what I have because I would not want to loss all that hard earned sp and I would not want to pay full price for the BPO items I got for sooo much less.
You cannot bully me into accepting a reset to get what we agreed upon when purchasing. AKA Bullying. |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.04.15 06:54:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:The merc pack must be "credited in full", that means that come commercial release you're character must posses each item that was included in the merc pack, or "an item of equal worth". By allowing you to keep any boosted SP, CCP have already credited "an item of equal worth to you", since the boosted SP is of equal worth to the booster you used to obtain it.
That means CCP does not have to give you another booster when they re-credit the rest of your merc pack.
You didn't use the booster to it's fullest potential? That's your problem.
You work for CCP now ?
Link? |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:04:00 -
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Enderr Wigginn wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:IMO I think CCP should offer everyone a choice during "commercial release", Total reset (sp, aurum, items, everything) or keep what you have. Me personally I would keep what I have because I would not want to loss all that hard earned sp and I would not want to pay full price for the BPO items I got for sooo much less. You cannot bully me into accepting a reset to get what we agreed upon when purchasing. AKA Bullying. They do not have to bully you, CCP reserves the right to reset you character at any point during the beta. So really a choice would them being nice.
Yes the can reset my character and yours too but they legally have to return all purchased merc packs as per our agreement.
Being "nice" is not forcing me to take a reset to have my already agree too items returned. Otherwise I would be forced to leave them behind to stay in my current state and not receive everything we both agreed too. |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:06:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:lol this discussion is hillarious. Allmost like watching a child pulling up a tantrum cause you refuse to give it candy. Usually the kid gets slapped and told off not to do that. And the same will happend for those who demand a full set of purchased items for no reason at all. Dont get me wrong i did bought 3 merc packs cause of the fancy 30 day boosters and AUR to get the passive boosters for a maximum SP gain. Sure would be nice to have additional stuff for aboslute no reason but on the other hand its just greed that motivates the people on these topics. And if we go into "comercial release" the merc pack price wont change and you will aswell only get 1 set of the promoted items not 2 when buying it after that point. CCP could aswell just claim that the open beta start was the comercial release and with that kick every 1 in the butt. Cause at that point we had a char reset and full reimbursment of the purchased items. I think CCP should man up and declare the open beta entry as comercial release and we would be done with this silly discussion. But then people would rage why they didnt got the double of the promoted items. You can basically say that the open beta was the comercial release cause it got very big advertised on the PSN store, you can buy multiple packs for it and every 1 whos has a PSN account can download the client for free without signing up for a beta code.
You cannot "basically" say its comercial because CCP says otherwise. Troll on. |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:09:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:The merc pack must be "credited in full", that means that come commercial release you're character must posses each item that was included in the merc pack, or "an item of equal worth". By allowing you to keep any boosted SP, CCP have already credited "an item of equal worth to you", since the boosted SP is of equal worth to the booster you used to obtain it.
That means CCP does not have to give you another booster when they re-credit the rest of your merc pack.
You didn't use the booster to it's fullest potential? That's your problem. You work for CCP now ? Link? Here you go https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=68925&p=3
I would expect as much from a child. You get upset when you are arguing and cannot make a vaild point. I sorry. |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:24:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:The merc pack must be "credited in full", that means that come commercial release you're character must posses each item that was included in the merc pack, or "an item of equal worth". By allowing you to keep any boosted SP, CCP have already credited "an item of equal worth to you", since the boosted SP is of equal worth to the booster you used to obtain it.
That means CCP does not have to give you another booster when they re-credit the rest of your merc pack.
You didn't use the booster to it's fullest potential? That's your problem. You work for CCP now ? Link? Here you go https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=68925&p=3 I would expect as much from a child. You get upset when you are arguing and cannot make a vaild point. I sorry. lol What does whether I workfor CCP, or not, have to do with anything? I'm simply pointing out what they could argue, because it's what I would argue. The merc pack says "credited in full" and that they reserve the right to substitute things for "items of equal value". That means that if you got 50 dragonfly scout suits with the merc pack and then you lost 15, then you must receive 15 dragonfly scout suits so that you posses 50 again. It does not mean you get another 50. That extends to the boosters, and Aurum, that came with the merc pack, as long as you keep anything you gained from using them, then "items of equal worth" have been credited to your account.
Correct. But if I bought for example 25 merc packs and totally used up 22 of them (25-22=3 keep up) they would still be responsible for refunding the other 22 merc packs. Agreed? |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:28:00 -
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Enderr Wigginn wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:IMO I think CCP should offer everyone a choice during "commercial release", Total reset (sp, aurum, items, everything) or keep what you have. Me personally I would keep what I have because I would not want to loss all that hard earned sp and I would not want to pay full price for the BPO items I got for sooo much less. You cannot bully me into accepting a reset to get what we agreed upon when purchasing. AKA Bullying. They do not have to bully you, CCP reserves the right to reset you character at any point during the beta. So really a choice would them being nice. Yes the can reset my character and yours too but they legally have to return all purchased merc packs as per our agreement. Being "nice" is not forcing me to take a reset to have my already agree too items returned. Otherwise I would be forced to leave them behind to stay in my current state and not receive everything we both agreed too. Okay well what if CCP said okay we have heard all of your QQing and are going to do a complete character/merc pack reset during commercial release to for fill their contractual agreement.
I'm cool with that. I just want everything we ( CCP and I) agreed upon when I purchased said merc packs. |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:29:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote: Correct. But if I bought for example 25 merc packs and totally used up 22 of them (25-22=3 keep up) they would still be responsible for refunding the other 22 merc packs. Agreed?
Yes.
Great. Now to the point where it was stated that when I bought the the merc packs they would be refunded on resets and commercial release. Commercial release is yet to happen. Agreed? |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:30:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote: Correct. But if I bought for example 25 merc packs and totally used up 22 of them (25-22=3 keep up) they would still be responsible for refunding the other 22 merc packs. Agreed?
Yes. But it's "re-crediting" not "refunding" and it applies to each item within those merc packs, not the entire thing. You'd still only have 25 toxin BPOs, since they didn't get used up.
Correct.
edit: but the aurum, Fused locus, and other disposable stuff will be returned to normal (Fused Locus x50 X the 25 merc packs = 1,250 Fused locus nades I would receive.) |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:35:00 -
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Enderr Wigginn wrote:Okay So what would be wrong with doing that but giving the option for the player not to be reset.
Because you are forcing me to either keep what I currently have or give everything up and restart to get what I purchased. See my point? |
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JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:36:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote: Correct. But if I bought for example 25 merc packs and totally used up 22 of them (25-22=3 keep up) they would still be responsible for refunding the other 22 merc packs. Agreed?
Yes. Great. Now to the point where it was stated that when I bought the the merc packs they would be refunded on resets and commercial release. Commercial release is yet to happen. Agreed? Yeah, I guess... I'd call this CR, but my opinion on that is irrelevant. Edit: But it's "re-crediting" not "refunding" and it applies to each item within those merc packs, not the entire thing. You'd still only have 25 toxin BPOs, since they didn't get used up. Edit 2: Just saw the other post, so ignore the first edit.
See why this is an issue that needs official clarification? |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:40:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Because CCP hasn't given an official response to the issue, and people are impatient
That and they ninja edited the origional agreement. Plus people don't want CCP to uphold their end of the agreement because they would be left out. |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.04.15 08:03:00 -
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Enderr Wigginn wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:Okay So what would be wrong with doing that but giving the option for the player not to be reset. Because you are forcing me to either keep what I currently have or give everything up and restart to get what I purchased. See my point? No I do not understand your point how is it forcing you is they could just do the reset anyways.
It's forcing (Bullying) because it's one or the other.
BTW CCP has stated no more resets (back to zero) period unless something catastrophic happens. This is not catastrophic.
CCP needs to man up and accept their losses or risk getting a bad name and losing paying customers. |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.04.15 08:10:00 -
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Enderr Wigginn wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Enderr Wigginn wrote:Okay So what would be wrong with doing that but giving the option for the player not to be reset. Because you are forcing me to either keep what I currently have or give everything up and restart to get what I purchased. See my point? No I do not understand your point how is it forcing you is they could just do the reset anyways. It's forcing (Bullying) because it's one or the other. BTW CCP has stated no more resets (back to zero) period unless something catastrophic happens. This is not catastrophic. CCP needs to man up and accept their losses or risk getting a bad name and losing paying customers. Okay I concede to have completely different opinions on the topic.
That's cool. I agree to disagree. No hard feelings. |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.04.15 09:14:00 -
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Orenji Jiji wrote:Way out is easy. On commercial release allow people to RESET their account -- all characters are wiped to initial SP/ISK level, all AUR is reimbursed and all assignable items are ready to be assigned again.
This way they are given their precious AUR back and can STFU. T&Cs don't say that it can not be done this way, so please CCP, consider this.
If you do it for 1 person do it for everybody. Don't punish those who are actually supporting CCP by buying the merc packs. Those players are in it for the long term. |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.04.15 10:11:00 -
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Orenji Jiji wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Orenji Jiji wrote:Way out is easy. On commercial release allow people to RESET their account -- all characters are wiped to initial SP/ISK level, all AUR is reimbursed and all assignable items are ready to be assigned again.
This way they are given their precious AUR back and can STFU. T&Cs don't say that it can not be done this way, so please CCP, consider this. If you do it for 1 person do it for everybody. Don't punish those who are actually supporting CCP by buying the merc packs. Those players are in it for the long term. No, it should be done per request, so promise to keep SP from beginning on open beta can be kept. They want their AUR back? Sure, they start clean (RESET) with everything from their merc packs refunded. There will be no "I got advantage from AUR and then got AUR back" topics in the forum. This will be fair and will let people choose. Otherwise just re-spec and have a good time. I've bought two merc packs, spent boosters and AUR, I'm happy with it. I would like to keep my inventory and character as is and buy more merc packs when they are offered. I support CCP by giving them my own, hard earned money, not by taking money away. Everybody started grinding like crazy on open beta and hailed "no more resets, go go go", but now you bastards want to get AUR back, because that's in the TOS? Cheap kittens, reset is too good for the lot of you.
Sounds like you are only looking out for yourself and have not read this entire thread.
Your reset idea is only good for people who did not buy any merc packs or only one or two, while hurting others who bought more (it's Bullying). |
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