DUST Search - The last Words on an AUR Reset

Icy TIG3R wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Icy TIG3R wrote:

What part of this do you not realize.

Do you think it is fair to get 6 boosters, while paying for 3? Think from a business standpoint.

60 Kill switches when you paid for 30?
20 AUR tanks when you paid for 10?

Entitled.

I think it's fair to get 6 boosters while paying for 3 when the person I bought them from said it was a 2-for-1 deal.

I think it's fair to ask for a full credit of my Merc Pack's contents on commercial release when I bought a Merc Pack under terms offered by CCP that included a full credit of those contents on commercial release, too.

Source. Once again, thanks to Deluxe Edition for posting the link.

That very clearly says "each character reset AND FOR THE COMMERCIAL RELEASE".

Not "maybe for commercial release if we decide to have a reset then as well".
Not "including commercial release", which would imply that the credit on commercial release is linked to the expectation of a reset.
Not "and for the commercial release, but only if we feel like it".

There isn't much of an argument against this.

What? Are you for real? Did you honestly think that? Ok, lets say that CCP went along with this, and accepted that you were wrong, but gave you a second chance. You'd still need to pay back for all the SP earned from boosters, and all ISK earned using Aurum gear, which f***s things up and ends with a complete character reset. I've read the same description as you have, nowhere does it say "Buy one, get one free".

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Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1113	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:30:00 - [61] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Baal Roo wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Would be interesting to see CCP give players two options: 1. If they want AUR/merc pack refund, they agree to have their characters completely wiped to start from scratch. 2. How it is planned now, no AUR refund and SP gets re-allocated for you to reuse. ISK from skillbooks is refunded. Would anybody take offer #1? Doubt it, they would only choose that option if everybody else got reset too. But it is exactly what would need to be done to fairly refund their AUR. But no, they want to have their cake and eat it too. so: 1. You bought a Merc Pack, if you want everything included in the Merc Pack you bought you have to take a reset. 2. You don't get all of what you paid for, but hey, at least you aren't getting reset. Yeah, real fair. I don't want my cake and to eat it to. I just want my entire cake, not just the half of it that the forum police have decided I "deserve". Sorry, not buying this whole BOGO 2 for 1 thing. I guarantee you not a single person in this game who bought a merc pack expected to get double the contents. We all assumed that commercial release would come with a character reset, which would refund everything as it had been on all past resets. I didn't ASSUME anything other than that I would receive all of these items again at commercial release. I didn't "expect to get double the content" and still don't. I expect to get the content I paid for, plain and simple. Quote: Enough already, seriously. Plans change and the contents of your merc pack are permanently part of the game, you nor anybody else deserves a refund unless they reset us again. That's not what the Merc Pack said. Your own personal opinion doesn't change the product I bought. Plans do change, of course. It just so happens all of those plans are made by CCP, and if they didn't mean for this to happen, they shouldn't have done it the way they did it. It's not MY fault and I shouldn't be held accountable for THEIR actions, THEY SHOULD. I bought a Merc Pack, that Merc Pack was sold to me specifically under the premise that I would receive those items at each reset and again on commercial release. You don't sell someone a product and then say "sorry, plans change, you don't get all of that now, you only get part of it".
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 114	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:46:00 - [62] - Quote Deluxe Edition wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm sure we'll be reset at launch. Now is a pretty random time, don't you think? CCP Stated in several blue posts that other than something catastrophic happening then we will not have another reset to 0 skills. Reference: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=582877#post582877 Exactly. The complaining is catastrophic. Therefore, reset. Deluxe Edition wrote: Kaze Eyrou wrote: The highlighted wording (with the underlined stuff being the lynch pin) is the issue being debated Unfortunately, there is an operator there. And is linked to each character reset. In other words, my solution still stands as the best solution for CCP. We want to be reset CCP. The word AND makes it two seperate conditions. If I told you I was going to give you 20 bars of silver and 20 bars of gold I'd image you would be upset if I only gave you 20 bars of silver. Exactly. 20 bars of silver and 20 bars of gold. Character reset and commerical release. Therefore, reset upon commerical release. There was a blue post saying only if it's reached catastrophic levels, but I believe that has been reached. A reset is the only solution.
Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 1979	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:50:00 - [63] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: Deluxe Edition wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I don't understand why people want their AUR back. Read this screen: http://www.dust411.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/MercPackTerms.jpg IMPORTANT NOTICE: During beta periods, CCP may need to reset characters, skills and other items included in the DUST 514-« Mercenary Pack. DUST 514-« Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release.* CCP cannot guarantee all items will be identical and reserves the right to substitute items of similar value. No other form of refund is permitted. The highlighted wording (with the underlined stuff being the lynch pin) is the issue being debated Unfortunately, there is an operator there. And is linked to each character reset. In other words, my solution still stands as the best solution for CCP. We want to be reset CCP. I protest. That is not how I see it. Commercial release, as worded in the quote above, shows no implication or hinting of a reset happening at the time of commercial release. The wording makes it clear that the reset is separate from commercial release. I hate it when people misinterpret what is clearly written.
Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 98	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:02:00 - [64] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: There was a blue post saying only if it's reached catastrophic levels, but I believe that has been reached. A reset is the only solution. Refunding AUR is not catasrophic by any stretch of the imagination. At the very worst its a reward for early pre-orders of the game .
Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 1979	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:06:00 - [65] - Quote Deluxe Edition wrote: Kaze Eyrou wrote: There was a blue post saying only if it's reached catastrophic levels, but I believe that has been reached. A reset is the only solution. Refunding AUR is not catasrophic by any stretch of the imagination. At the very worst its a reward for early pre-orders of the game . I agree. @kaze What metrics do you have on DUST gameplay to back up your claim that we have reached catastrophic or about to reach such levels? If you have no substantial evidence, I suggest you retract your statement or at least change your wording so that it is clear that what you're stating is only your opinion.
Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 1980	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:18:00 - [66] - Quote @kaze Well, where's the proof? Where are your metrics?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1225	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:38:00 - [67] - Quote Deluxe Edition wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm sure we'll be reset at launch. Now is a pretty random time, don't you think? CCP Stated in several blue posts that other than something catastrophic happening then we will not have another reset to 0 skills. Reference: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=582877#post582877 We've had partial resets in the past- the devs are just saying no more full resets.
Icy TIG3R Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 95	Posted - 2013.04.15 01:11:00 - [68] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Icy TIG3R wrote: What part of this do you not realize. Do you think it is fair to get 6 boosters, while paying for 3? Think from a business standpoint. 60 Kill switches when you paid for 30? 20 AUR tanks when you paid for 10? Entitled. I think it's fair to get 6 boosters while paying for 3 when the person I bought them from said it was a 2-for-1 deal. I think it's fair to ask for a full credit of my Merc Pack's contents on commercial release when I bought a Merc Pack under terms offered by CCP that included a full credit of those contents on commercial release, too. Source. Once again, thanks to Deluxe Edition for posting the link. That very clearly says "each character reset AND FOR THE COMMERCIAL RELEASE". Not "maybe for commercial release if we decide to have a reset then as well". Not "including commercial release", which would imply that the credit on commercial release is linked to the expectation of a reset. Not "and for the commercial release, but only if we feel like it". There isn't much of an argument against this. What? Are you for real? Did you honestly think that? Ok, lets say that CCP went along with this, and accepted that you were wrong, but gave you a second chance. You'd still need to pay back for all the SP earned from boosters, and all ISK earned using Aurum gear, which f***s things up and ends with a complete character reset. I've read the same description as you have, nowhere does it say "Buy one, get one free".
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1118	Posted - 2013.04.15 01:20:00 - [69] - Quote Icy TIG3R wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Icy TIG3R wrote: What part of this do you not realize. Do you think it is fair to get 6 boosters, while paying for 3? Think from a business standpoint. 60 Kill switches when you paid for 30? 20 AUR tanks when you paid for 10? Entitled. I think it's fair to get 6 boosters while paying for 3 when the person I bought them from said it was a 2-for-1 deal. I think it's fair to ask for a full credit of my Merc Pack's contents on commercial release when I bought a Merc Pack under terms offered by CCP that included a full credit of those contents on commercial release, too. Source. Once again, thanks to Deluxe Edition for posting the link. That very clearly says "each character reset AND FOR THE COMMERCIAL RELEASE". Not "maybe for commercial release if we decide to have a reset then as well". Not "including commercial release", which would imply that the credit on commercial release is linked to the expectation of a reset. Not "and for the commercial release, but only if we feel like it". There isn't much of an argument against this. What? Are you for real? Did you honestly think that? Ok, lets say that CCP went along with this, and accepted that you were wrong, but gave you a second chance. You'd still need to pay back for all the SP earned from boosters, and all ISK earned using Aurum gear, which f***s things up and ends with a complete character reset. I've read the same description as you have, nowhere does it say "Buy one, get one free". There's no argument over what the Merc Pack says. A full refund of all Merc Pack items at each reset, and one more at Commercial Release. You can argue that CCP changed their plans at some point and decided not to do a reset at launch, but nowhere do I see it implied in the Merc Pack that such was ever going to be the case in the first place. Any perceived "problems" you have with their plan should be taken up with CCP themselves, rather than attacking the people who purchased the Merc Pack and expected to receive the things included in the description (or items of equal value, y'know, because BETA). You seem to be confusing your issues with how CCP is rolling out the beta as somehow being the fault of those of us who purchased the Merc Pack. If you think the Merc Pack is an unfair deal, take it up with CCP, but don't argue that the people who already purchased it shouldn't get everything we were promised just because CCP has apparently "changed their plans". CCP's plans don't concern me, but getting the items I paid for does. The simple answer here is that they honor the purchase agreement, the only reason this question keeps being raised is because CCP is strangely quiet on the whole thing.
gyuuygfvc Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:22:00 - [70] - Quote Ccp shouldnt refund b cuz its their game and if they dont want to they dont have to, so what if they said they would. Things change not everything in the Terms and conditions has to be done. Things change and so does the Terms and conditions. Just because they didnt contact GameStop it isnt Ccp's fault gamestop didnt read the forums.

Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 1986	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:24:00 - [71] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: The simple answer here is that they honor the purchase agreement, the only reason this question keeps being raised is because CCP is strangely quiet on the whole thing. Again, I agree. CCP, please spill the beans already (assuming you eat beans in Reykjavik or in Shanghai). We need to know. Are we getting a refund of the merc pack contents? Notice I'm not asking if you will let us keep the SP because you already made it clear we get to keep the SP.
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 20	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:25:00 - [72] - Quote leave the aurm alone, let people just respec, if they want to respec into what everthey had before, they need to make a list of wtf they had and what skills they had.... people take dis **** to complicated
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 866	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:29:00 - [73] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: you already made it clear we get to keep the SP. Nowhere was that made clear as far as I know, they made it clear you would not get reset to 0. Sp cuts on the other hand are fair game. Not saying that's what will happen, but they could.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 866	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:30:00 - [74] - Quote gyuuygfvc wrote: Ccp shouldnt refund b cuz its their game and if they dont want to they dont have to, so what if they said they would. Things change not everything in the Terms and conditions has to be done. Things change and so does the Terms and conditions. Just because they didnt contact GameStop it isnt Ccp's fault gamestop didnt read the forums. Okay, whose strawman alt are you?
gyuuygfvc Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:37:00 - [75] - Quote Your not going to get your aurum refunded. you people are so greedy CCP are geniuses you think you and your stupid loop hole terms and conditions wiil stop them, no! This guy works in software development and he knows CCP is not gonna refund you, They would rather just keep it a beta forever, You think your gonna stop them from making more money from you? ha ever heard of Zinga?
Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 1986	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:37:00 - [76] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: you already made it clear we get to keep the SP. Nowhere was that made clear as far as I know, they made it clear you would not get reset to 0. Sp cuts on the other hand are fair game. Not saying that's what will happen, but they could. Notice that it's only been "us" who have been perpetuating that idea around and not CCP themselves. CCP didn't say anything at all. In fact the only legitimate response we have gained from them during the entire 4 months we have been on open beta since the last official reset was this... "We will get back to you when we have an answer." "A Dev Blog will be posted to address this." "I sent an email to my coworkers to see what they say." Everything we have talked about has been centered around nothing more than speculation and rumor mongering.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 867	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:41:00 - [77] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: you already made it clear we get to keep the SP. Nowhere was that made clear as far as I know, they made it clear you would not get reset to 0. Sp cuts on the other hand are fair game. Not saying that's what will happen, but they could. Notice that it's only been "us" who have been perpetuating that idea around and not CCP themselves. CCP didn't say anything at all. In fact the only legitimate response we have gained from them during the entire 4 months we have been on open beta since the last official reset was this... "We will get back to you when we have an answer." "A Dev Blog will be posted to address this." "I sent an email to my coworkers to see what they say." Everything we have talked about has been centered around nothing more than speculation and rumor mongering. I'm simply pointing out that it's entirely within reason for SP cuts to occur. You are the one who said they made it clear you would "get to keep the SP", but they never did. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619126#post619126 Quote: We have been getting a lot of questions about Skill Point resets lately. In order to help everyone find this information, here is CCP's official stance on resetting skill points. We currently have no plans to reset your characters' skill points to a state where they are equivalent to a newly created character, barring something catastrophic. The only thing guaranteed is that we won't get set back to 500,000 SP.
Mithridates VI DUST 411 825	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:43:00 - [78] - Quote I'll take this opportunity to mention once again that I got a response to my petition advising that their aim was to implement a reimbursement program before May 6th for PSN purchases from before the open beta.
Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 1986	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:48:00 - [79] - Quote @Sloth9230 I know what you mean. But again, CCP has been quiet and the only source for the whole "SP-cuts" theory has been nothing more than the players. We might be like Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory (Google the movie) who thinks everyone is out to get him. @Mithridates VI Unless CCP posts an official statement on the forums or on a dev blog on how your petition was responded and what was on the petition and its current state, we only have your word. Sorry to come across like an ass here but I don't want people to get all worked up for nothing.
Mithridates VI DUST 411 825	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:57:00 - [80] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: @Mithridates VI Unless CCP posts an official statement on the forums or on a dev blog on how your petition was responded and what was on the petition and its current state, we only have your word. Sorry to come across like an ass here but I don't want people to get all worked up for nothing. Nah, s'cool. I might be making things up. It would be my preference that in tandem with responding to my petition CCP gave some indication of this plan on the forums, too. CCP could also make a liar out of me by changing their minds without acknowledgement.

EKH0 0ne A0C 21	Posted - 2013.04.15 03:26:00 - [81] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: @Sloth9230 I know what you mean. But again, CCP has been quiet and the only source for the whole "SP-cuts" theory has been nothing more than the players. We might be like Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory (Google the movie) who thinks everyone is out to get him. @Mithridates VI Unless CCP posts an official statement on the forums or on a dev blog on how your petition was responded and what was on the petition and its current state, we only have your word. Sorry to come across like an ass here but I don't want people to get all worked up for nothing. DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release. Thats not a rumor http://www.gamestop.com/ps3/dlc/dust-514-gamestop-mercenary-pack/106107#productDetails
Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 1988	Posted - 2013.04.15 13:31:00 - [82] - Quote EKH0 0ne wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: @Sloth9230 I know what you mean. But again, CCP has been quiet and the only source for the whole "SP-cuts" theory has been nothing more than the players. We might be like Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory (Google the movie) who thinks everyone is out to get him. @Mithridates VI Unless CCP posts an official statement on the forums or on a dev blog on how your petition was responded and what was on the petition and its current state, we only have your word. Sorry to come across like an ass here but I don't want people to get all worked up for nothing. DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release. Thats not a rumor http://www.gamestop.com/ps3/dlc/dust-514-gamestop-mercenary-pack/106107#productDetails I know about that already. All that tells me is that the "resets" and "commercial release" are completely separate from each other and that this whole notion that we might be reset upon the arrival of commercial release is just speculation on our part as players. CCP has said nothing so far about any of this for the past 4 months already yet we players did a lot to say a lot of things that is often unsubstantiated.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 721	Posted - 2013.04.15 16:06:00 - [83] - Quote I do NOT want an aurum refund (I am happy with my character and alts as they are), I do NOT want an sp refund (but I can live with this one). Those who wish to have an aurum refund should have a character reset too. Those of us who do not wish for such a thing should have the choice. This forum is full of self entitled a$$holes who think the world owes them. 'I want my money back' 'I want my aurum back' 'I want this, I want that' Grow the f**k up!!


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