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Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1976
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:56:00 -
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Sorry but I disagree. CCP has already written it down in stone that SP resets are no longer happening. Also, the merc pack description as worded earlier during closed beta and currently worded if you go to Gamestop states that refund of the merc contents will occur during periodic resets (which are no longer happening) and during commercial release. No where in the description did/does it say that a reset will occur during commercial release.
I'm no internet lawyer, but even I can tell that the wording places the terms "reset" and "commercial release" as mutually exclusive. As in they are separate from each other. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1976
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Posted - 2013.04.14 22:07:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Sorry but I disagree. CCP has already written it down in stone that SP resets are no longer happening. Unless something catastrophic happens. It-¦s at the table, they can do it, and i would laugh at the whinners trying t get free aurum.
True. However, there are people out there that believe a refund will cause said catastrophe as noted. The problem with such a claim is that none of us here have the metrics to prove that. Only CCP has the metrics to make a proper decision on that. What do we have? Rumors and make-belief internet lawyers with a dose of speculation.
For those of you who are not the sharpest knives in the game, metrics is a term used by CCP and its community to reference data collected from the server that you wouldn't normally get via API unless you are a CCP dev. The data is critical for making the proper decision. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1977
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Posted - 2013.04.14 22:09:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:Baal Roo wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Unless your AUR items are defective, there is no reason for a refund. If someone wasted their items, then its their fault; CCP announced that when we moved to Tranquility that it would be the very last reset.
An SP reset should never ever happen again. I agree that CCP should avoid an SP reset, but considering how they've handled the Merc Pack situation, I wouldn't be surprised if they go back on their word about the SP reset as well. That's precisely the problem here, they're losing credibility by handling OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY all willy nilly. Furthermore, they announced that when we moved to Tranquility that it would be the last SP RESET. There was no reason for us to assume that meant they were also changing the terms of the Merc Pack ex post facto. If they were going to be making such a drastic change, you would think it would have been announced as well. Of course they didn't, because obviously people would have been extremely upset. So instead, they simply ignored the problem, and CONTINUE to ignore the problem. It's absolutely TERRIBLE customer service and it makes me extremely wary of doing business with them in the future. Technically, they said you'd get your AUR back on a reset. There are no further resets, therefore no AUR back. And we are in commercial release, everyone is free to download the game.
No. We are not in commercial release according to CCP. Internet lawyers be damned. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1977
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Posted - 2013.04.14 22:57:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Would be interesting to see CCP give players two options:
1. If they want AUR/merc pack refund, they agree to have their characters completely wiped to start from scratch.
2. How it is planned now, no AUR refund and SP gets re-allocated for you to reuse. ISK from skillbooks is refunded.
Would anybody take offer #1? Doubt it, they would only choose that option if everybody else got reset too. But it is exactly what would need to be done to fairly refund their AUR. But no, they want to have their cake and eat it too.
Option 1 is not gonna happen (SP wise) barring any catastrophe. Therefore that option will not happen. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1977
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:06:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Deluxe Edition wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:
2. How it is planned now, no AUR refund and SP gets re-allocated for you to reuse. ISK from skillbooks is refunded.
We don't even know what CCP said they had planned... The question was asked a few months back during the last reset. CCP said they would get back to us with an answer... Four months later still no answer on a AUR refund. Basically right now everyone is arguing over speculation and what might just be a waste of breath as CCP might of planned on refunding AUR all along. What we should be upset about is the fact that four months later CCP is still in the process of "getting back to us" on such an important question. It all boils down to poor communication on CCP's part. exactly. This keeps being brought up because CCP refuses to comment on it. The lack of communication is what is so troubling and why everyone keeps pushing the issue.
I agree. For all we know, we may have overreacted for nothing. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1979
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:50:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:Deluxe Edition wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I don't understand why people want their AUR back. Read this screen: http://www.dust411.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/MercPackTerms.jpg*IMPORTANT NOTICE: During beta periods, CCP may need to reset characters, skills and other items included in the DUST 514-« Mercenary Pack. DUST 514-« Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release. CCP cannot guarantee all items will be identical and reserves the right to substitute items of similar value. No other form of refund is permitted. The highlighted wording (with the underlined stuff being the lynch pin) is the issue being debated Unfortunately, there is an operator there. And is linked to each character reset. In other words, my solution still stands as the best solution for CCP. We want to be reset CCP.
I protest. That is not how I see it. Commercial release, as worded in the quote above, shows no implication or hinting of a reset happening at the time of commercial release. The wording makes it clear that the reset is separate from commercial release. I hate it when people misinterpret what is clearly written. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1979
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Posted - 2013.04.15 00:06:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:Kaze Eyrou wrote:
There was a blue post saying only if it's reached catastrophic levels, but I believe that has been reached. A reset is the only solution.
Refunding AUR is not catasrophic by any stretch of the imagination. At the very worst its a reward for early pre-orders of the game  .
I agree.
@kaze
What metrics do you have on DUST gameplay to back up your claim that we have reached catastrophic or about to reach such levels? If you have no substantial evidence, I suggest you retract your statement or at least change your wording so that it is clear that what you're stating is only your opinion. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1980
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Posted - 2013.04.15 00:18:00 -
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@kaze
Well, where's the proof? Where are your metrics? |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1986
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Posted - 2013.04.15 02:24:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:The simple answer here is that they honor the purchase agreement, the only reason this question keeps being raised is because CCP is strangely quiet on the whole thing.
Again, I agree. CCP, please spill the beans already (assuming you eat beans in Reykjavik or in Shanghai). We need to know. Are we getting a refund of the merc pack contents? Notice I'm not asking if you will let us keep the SP because you already made it clear we get to keep the SP. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1986
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Posted - 2013.04.15 02:37:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:you already made it clear we get to keep the SP. Nowhere was that made clear as far as I know, they made it clear you would not get reset to 0. Sp cuts on the other hand are fair game. Not saying that's what will happen, but they could.
Notice that it's only been "us" who have been perpetuating that idea around and not CCP themselves. CCP didn't say anything at all. In fact the only legitimate response we have gained from them during the entire 4 months we have been on open beta since the last official reset was this...
"We will get back to you when we have an answer."
"A Dev Blog will be posted to address this."
"I sent an email to my coworkers to see what they say."
Everything we have talked about has been centered around nothing more than speculation and rumor mongering. |
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Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1986
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Posted - 2013.04.15 02:48:00 -
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@Sloth9230
I know what you mean. But again, CCP has been quiet and the only source for the whole "SP-cuts" theory has been nothing more than the players. We might be like Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory (Google the movie) who thinks everyone is out to get him.
@Mithridates VI
Unless CCP posts an official statement on the forums or on a dev blog on how your petition was responded and what was on the petition and its current state, we only have your word. Sorry to come across like an ass here but I don't want people to get all worked up for nothing. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1988
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Posted - 2013.04.15 13:31:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:@Sloth9230
I know what you mean. But again, CCP has been quiet and the only source for the whole "SP-cuts" theory has been nothing more than the players. We might be like Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory (Google the movie) who thinks everyone is out to get him.
@Mithridates VI
Unless CCP posts an official statement on the forums or on a dev blog on how your petition was responded and what was on the petition and its current state, we only have your word. Sorry to come across like an ass here but I don't want people to get all worked up for nothing. DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release. Thats not a rumor http://www.gamestop.com/ps3/dlc/dust-514-gamestop-mercenary-pack/106107#productDetails
I know about that already.
All that tells me is that the "resets" and "commercial release" are completely separate from each other and that this whole notion that we might be reset upon the arrival of commercial release is just speculation on our part as players. CCP has said nothing so far about any of this for the past 4 months already yet we players did a lot to say a lot of things that is often unsubstantiated. |
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