I know, I thought the devblog was pretty clear on that. I'll still get 4 new weapon types and a bunch of new dropsuits to play with, PC, new map, grass, etc.
Can't get everything at once.

I know, I thought the devblog was pretty clear on that. I'll still get 4 new weapon types and a bunch of new dropsuits to play with, PC, new maps, grass, etc.
Can't get everything at once.

We already have grass. We want indestructible trees for everyone to cry over.

don't you mean destructible tree's for every one to crash the air vehicles into

Last I check we didn't have grass, green ground texture.

Cloaking is going to be a kitten to balance. If it comes late, I'll take that as a sign that they're being careful with it.

Better late than broken.

Meh, it worked OK in Crysis, so how hard can it be?

i was actually hoping it would come out with PC as that reset would be nice to decide between tanks or scout, but if they are taking that long to balance it is going to be underpower and not worth it.
btw crysis=solo game so it doesn't have merit here.

Just wanted to point that out. Along with the bubble shield, the dev blog says it will come at a later date.

Just letting people know, try to keep your expectations as low as possible, and you will endure through the rage.

I don't give a rip about cloak. Give me the BACON!

I'm so against cloaking.....it's not even funny.

you played only Crysis 1?

deal with it

Sounds like someone who needs it

yes yes i did.. why,did they come out with more while i didn't care about it?

Heavy + nova knife + stealth + tractor beam for the win!!!

Sounds like someone who can't handle it.

I do fine without, but I look forward to seeing how well it works.

I can't wait for cloaking so I can finally become a full on infiltrator. Nothing like sneaking behind enemy lines, quickly hacking an objective, and then flanking the idiots engaging my squad (lol distractions).

Your such a loser lol

I can't wait for cloaking so I can finally become a full on infiltrator. Nothing like sneaking behind enemy lines, quickly hacking an objective, and then flanking the idiots engaging my squad (lol distractions).

[Why do you have to wait for cloaking? Why can't you do that now?

See, this is what I mean....cloaking has to be the nubbest idea to an fps. Wait until good players abuse it though...let's see how much players like it then.

Cloaking: A Ninja Scouts best friend.

I do it now, but it's nowhere near as effective as it could be. Cloaking is fine, so long as you can't run around with it and it has a cool down.

If you don't like variation, DUST probably isn't the FPS for you.

Adapt or Die bro.

Just wanted to point that out. Along with the bubble shield, the dev blog says it will come at a later date.

Just letting people know, try to keep your expectations as low as possible, and you will endure through the rage.

Your such a loser lol

This is so ironic.

Cloak+shotgun?

Personally, I'm hoping the cloak is potent and effective, but takes up the light weapon slot. Combine that with a fix or three to nova knives, and you've got yourself a use for the damn things.

.........

Why would you make a piece of equipment use a weapon slot.....

There are so many ways to balance a cloak....why....I just....what?

I just don't really see the point in eliminating your ability to shoot in an FPS.

Can someone post a link? I can't find the Dev Blog where this was discussed any longer.

I am not excited for cloaking.

CCP just scrap it focus on other more important things.

Isn't it Ironic... don't you think

BTW I think you should apply to Imperfects... 6th time is the charm

A cloaking device is not a drop uplink, a nanohive, a remote explosive, or an AV mine. All of these, as strategically important as they may be, are ancillary equipment pieces. Yes, logi suits have their role defined by their equipment slots-- by having LOTS of them.

Almost any combination of cloak + light weapon I can think of is, on its face, overpowered. For all following examples, assume abundant dampening.

Cloak + shotgun = sneak sneak REEK REEK +50 sneak

Cloak + tactical sniper = lurk aiiiiiiiim toom toom +50 lurk

Cloak + AR = sneak aim dugdugdug +50 sneak

Cloak + mass driver ... pretty much the same.

You get the freaking idea.

I still don't get why you would put it in a weapon slot. Every single piece of equipment needs to be readied by the weapon wheel already. You can't, for example, use an Injector and a Sniper Rifle at once. So a sniper simply can't be using his cloak device and sniper rifle at the same time. Problem solved there. It would have to be shoot first, then cloak quickly to hide from counter snipers.

As for CQC assassinations, just add a sound to the cloaking device. When you put it away, a distinctive noise goes off letting everyone in the vicinity know a cloak went up or down. Kinda like when you hear the shotgun "reek reek" you start looking for it. Except in this case it would give the victim an extra split second while the assassin readies his weapon.

(Shotgun assassination-- decloaks at close range, requires little to no aim or skill)

Great, people won't have to camp in the MCC anymore... they can just cloak wherever they like. :p

That's why cloak should require you to be slow, not quick. In the time it takes that shotgun assassin to get set up, an average Joe with an AR has already picked up 3-4 kills, nevermind the actual skilled guy.

Like I said, we're working from different paradigms. I'd much rather have a lightly-armed assassin who can move quickly and effectively, but has to make good use of a second-rate weapon.

Gimping speed ... ugh. I assure you, this idea is every bit as painful to me as the idea of losing the light weapon slot seems to be to you. It was bad enough when the thing whose speed was getting gimped was a spaceship. I play scout suits for a reason.

SOME slowdown is acceptable. Moving like a heavy, which is the image you're invoking in my head, not so much.

So I'm curious about something

Why is it wrong for someone to sneak up on you with a shotgun and kill you, but it's ok for someone stacking melee damage mods to sneak up on you and kill you with a knife?

(actually melee mods don't stack with knives, for whatever silly reason. Same goes with a point blank SMG with complex mods though, same effect as a shotgun at that range and with surprise)

So I'm curious about something

Why is it wrong for someone to sneak up on you with a shotgun and kill you, but it's ok for someone stacking melee damage mods to sneak up on you and kill you with a knife?

(actually melee mods don't stack with knives, for whatever silly reason. Same goes with a point blank SMG with complex mods though, same effect as a shotgun at that range and with surprise)

Nay, sir! Summon not the overpowered heinousness that surely shall invoke the great nerf bat (whose wings darken the very sky).

Personally, I'm hoping the cloak is potent and effective, but takes up the light weapon slot. Combine that with a fix or three to nova knives, and you've got yourself a practical ninja.

What's more, the shotgun user probably also has either a scrambler or an SMG for when the shotgun runs out of ammo. If all you had to begin with was the sidearm, you're stuck reloading instead of switching weapons and finishing a wounded target off. It makes a substantial difference, especially with the scrambler and its teeny magazine.

Define potent and effective? As taking up the primary weapon slot would render it neither of those points in most players books. We'd laugh it right out of existence everywhere outside of random ambush pub matches.

You can kill, easily, with a sidearm. You just have to be a little better at using it than you have to be with a light weapon. The cloaked scout would focus on doing exactly that.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. This vision of cloaking feels kind of silly to me, as for me, I just feel that stealth specialists should specialize in sneaking. They take the time and the effort to sneak behind enemy lines to hack a key objective, and then they move up to take out enemy hostiles.

Most of the uses you mention are arbitrary at best, and can basically all be fulfilled by a non specialist as is.

I think letting someone hop in and out of cloak at will, along with having movement largely unhindered, is the wrong direction to take it.

Potent and effective: cloak is active whenever equipped, with little or no cooldown between uses. User is nigh on invisible when motionless, and visible only as a shimmer or blur when moving. Speed is not limited, nor are running, jumping, etc. Entering and leaving cloak are both silent. Electronic signature is, of course, unaffected, necessitating the use of dampening modules.

All those years of playing team sneaking in metal gear online (attacking team is 100% invisible armed with only knives and a tranq pistol) and hunting down invisible campers is finally going to pay off

Yani:

By "shimmer or blur," I don't mean something sparkly and bloom-enhanced. I mean something like the way invisibility works in, say, Skyrim-- an indistinct humanoid outline.

Sure, people are going to work out how to hunt for those, and fair enough, but there's probably not going to be anything there you can target with a sniper rifle (to pick an example at random).

(Yes, I've been a little frustrated trying to sneak around Manus Peak. Why do you ask?)

Yes, sharp-eyed people with assault rifles will be a problem, as they damn well should. No, I don't agree that this will reduce the cloak's usefulness below a critical level. If it does, CCP can always reduce the shimmer or blur.

As I think I said somewhere, balancing this thing is going to be a kittening pain.

Enough; I've been arguing this off and on literally all day, and I don't even want it in the game. This is just my best shot at a decent way to implement it. What say we give it a rest and see what CCP actually does with the silly thing?

I do wonder, if not with cloaking, when and how CCP is planning (or not) to fix scout? Will it be the scanner device? If so I wonder how effective/ popular it's gonna be.

Curious, why do you think a sniper wouldn't be able to see you yet a guy with an AR would, assuming they were looing at the same spot....

A player doens't need their equipment to register an enemy to take a shot, see movement that isn't tied to a friendly? Fire, kill, maim, destroy.

Unless something was actually done to make it so it didn't render outside a certain distance, it's likely it would be visible to anyone in the map that can see the spot. Harder to get a one shot kill, yes, but not impossible to land a couple rounds into the cloaked body.

All this speculation is annoying. wheres the source stating no cloaking in next build?

Why do you have to wait for cloaking? Why can't you do that now?

See, this is what I mean....cloaking has to be the nubbest idea to an fps. Wait until good players abuse it though...let's see how much players like it then.

A good cloaking device should have a long cool-down time, not work with sprinting and have a short duration - say, under ten seconds when skill is fully maxed. Even then, this level of tactical advantage is gonna hurt FPS mechanics. If ppl rage about red line snipers and tanks now, imagine what cloaking is gonna bring to the game. FPS should be about competitive shooting, not dirty tricks imo.

Then you and I have very different standards for what makes a worthwhile trade.

That's really all I have to say.

I do it now, but it's nowhere near as effective as it could be. Cloaking is fine, so long as you can't run around with it and it has a cool down.

If you don't like variation, DUST probably isn't the FPS for you.

Adapt or Die bro.

Adapt or die? How about get some skill or die? All of you guys are just looking for ccp to help you get better.

People flank all of the time.....there are two different skills dedicated to reduce scan profile and only one to anaalyze it. Now, you want invisibility?

Variety is great but cheap and cheesy mechanics to getting kills ruins the fun factor

I'm sorry I just see no reason to base a build around something that someone can counter by looking at you from 100+ meters away.

If it can't stand on it's own outside of specific favorable circumstances it's not worth using.

Rarity in a game means it's usually not worth doing.

edit:

or it's inconsistent as kittens or heavily tied to random numbers.

To the ppl who say cloaking doesn't belong in an fps I laugh. Kill zone 3 pulled it off well, as did halo. Both pretty main stream games. Also didn't break them.

No, just no. You are wrong on so many levels.

The problem isn't that it's a niche role, it's that the niche isn't useful with the current game settings.

The cqc assassin is about as useful as the knifing heavy or a sniper specializing in 30m or shorter sniping (with a charged sniper rifle).

the James Bond stealth duelist would be good for little beyond laughs in any serious play.

I know I've succeded in pissing you off when you resort to bringing up something that never happened in the past.

Nice try though.

I heard betamax was a cool corp before all the good people left. Wait aren't you still in betamax?

A good cloaking device should have a long cool-down time, not work with sprinting and have a short duration - say, under ten seconds when skill is fully maxed. Even then, this level of tactical advantage is gonna hurt FPS mechanics. If ppl rage about red line snipers and tanks now, imagine what cloaking is gonna bring to the game. FPS should be about competitive shooting, not dirty tricks imo.

Being a Logibro's going to be even more expensive. If cloaking ever comes out, best believe that Shotgun scout is coming for you first.

last... most view the logi as the least combat effective

last... most view the logi as the least combat effective

The Logi will revive anyone you kill if you don't get him first. And how is the Logibro the least combat effective? Lack of side-arm only applies if you catch a Logi off guard with half of his ammo supply/the Logi can't aim. 9/10 the fight will be over long before the Logi needs to reload.

that just adds to more kills for me so i can warpoint hoard from the logi as he revives them into the daze of shotgun madness!!! btw SMG owns at short range so if he has one i'll kill him first otherwise i'll kill the others first.

Lol MD Logi 2 shots scouts, and good Logibros will kill you before they revive.