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Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation 1935	Posted - 2013.04.08 17:36:00 - [1] - Quote So far I have recently squaded with a couple of fellow knifers out there since I am now spending my time wanting to train people personally (mainly for my Corp) since we have expanded so much especially with new players. The first Knifer I paired up with during the past week was with a fellow Corp mate who was new to the whole knifing profession. Knowing that he will die a lot along with me, I recommended that he put together a cheap ninja fit with with either the BPO militia suit or the type-1 scout. The type-1 scout is usually best to start off with for those on a budget as it offers a decent amount of PG and CPU while having at least two low slots so that you can mix in a kinetic catalyzer with a cardiac stimulant or replace one of them with a profile dampener. The type-1 will allow more room for fittings because the militia stuff is usually inefficient with cpu and pg when it comes to fitting them. A standard nova knife is also recommended to keep cost down but you can still kill your target so long as you melee immediately after. Since melee takes up stamina, it's important to have the cardiac stimulant fitted. if you can afford to spend $20 on a merc pack and get your hands on the blueprint original modules using aurum, you can cut the cost down to almost nothing per match. It's because of this cheap setup I was able to maintain at least 6-7 million isk on my wallet which means I still have more than enough isk to splurge for the prototype fits. Anyways, as we entered e match, I decided to be the bait and let my partner follow me some distance behind. This way if an enemy merc is hiding around a corner then I will provide the distraction while my partner takes advantage of the kill. Having a partner also helps when your initial strike doesn't kill your target but you have softened up the target just enough for the partner to come in a finish the job. I ended up with no kills but my partner ended up with 3 or 4 kills because I was always the bait. In addition to that I also showed him a few key routes to take in Line Harvest in skirmish and I think one other map that I forgot. In my second time squading up I teamed up with someone outside the Corp who already knew a thing or two about knifing. We also had a third player in the squad who was a dedicated spotter looking out for any snipers. The map we went into was Ashland in skirmish and it was not all that well. We kept getting split up because the complicated layout of the structures and installations made it all too easy to be broken up as a knifing pair while being constantly surprised by a random heavy or assault popping out of a corner. I don't think we won that map and I had only one kill and that was against a sniper perched on the L-pipe after I chased him up the latter. My knifing partner got at least 10 kills but that was mostly from using remote explosives on the objectives. The following match was on Skim Junction in skirmish which I hate the most to be honest. Because it is such an open terrain, it is relatively easy to be shot by a random sniper. We spawned on the west side and we decided to split up this time. The knifing partner would attack players in the center of the map since he is used to close quarter confrontations while the spotter would keep an eye out for snipers as I sprint along the edges of the map wanting to kill said snipers. We managed to spot two of them perched on the northeast hill right by the corner of the red line overlooking The E objective. After several failed attempts to get rid of them, I managed to kill them both by surprising them from behind as usual. Once again, every team seems to have a habit of leaving their rear absolutely unattended which is why I was able to get to them from their own side. It wasn't easy at first, but I got to them eventually. Near the end of the match, my knifing partner decided to go all Grand Theft Auto on the enemy's ass and run them over as much as possible. I swear, running people over with LAVs is so much fun. Well, that's all for now. If any of you feel like teaming up every now and then, let me know.
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Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc 135	Posted - 2013.04.08 17:41:00 - [6] - Quote I notice alot of reservations, is there still any vacancy in this place? Cool story bro
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 1080	Posted - 2013.04.08 17:44:00 - [7] - Quote nice story as always, and running people over in LAV's is fun until they get stuck in the wheels and render you unable to move as enemies start tossing av nades at you
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation 1936	Posted - 2013.04.08 20:28:00 - [8] - Quote gbghg wrote: nice story as always, and running people over in LAV's is fun until they get stuck in the wheels and render you unable to move as enemies start tossing av nades at you This wouldn't be a problem if you folks had at least lost some weight. All that belly fat keeps getting into the transmission.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 1082	Posted - 2013.04.08 20:36:00 - [9] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: gbghg wrote: nice story as always, and running people over in LAV's is fun until they get stuck in the wheels and render you unable to move as enemies start tossing av nades at you This wouldn't be a problem if you folks had at least lost some weight. All that belly fat keeps getting into the transmission. despite what the pic looks like i'm a logi, the fatsuit doesn't suit me
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 125	Posted - 2013.04.08 21:12:00 - [10] - Quote Hey Maken! I saw you in a match last week rocking a proto scout suit. I was on the red team, but it was hilarious to see you run into a squad of mercs and make them panic.. You were jumping around as they fired all over the place.. I had to deal with a firefight and couldn't see if you killed anyone, but you went running away with some shield intact leaving a very disorganized squad in your wake. They ended up getting cut down right after. All I have to say is it was was a pretty sweet scene. and it almost got me killed becaus ei had to stop for a second and watch I had just read your previous diaries and I wasn't sure if your figured out the jumping, charging in mid air, and then hitting timing? Is it possible? The reason I ditched knives was the lack of being able to sprint and charge them. That was a deal killer for me, but it's been fun reading your exploits. I wonder what the new build holds in store for Novas.

Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 210	Posted - 2013.04.09 05:44:00 - [11] - Quote my alt WhyCantIDie would love to squad up with you and see who can knife the most people. I average at least 8 a skirmish (killed 5 in a row when I ran out of ammo with my AR 2 days ago).
Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 1952	Posted - 2013.04.10 19:35:00 - [12] - Quote First two posts have been updated. mollerz wrote: Hey Maken! I saw you in a match last week rocking a proto scout suit. I was on the red team, but it was hilarious to see you run into a squad of mercs and make them panic.. You were jumping around as they fired all over the place.. I had to deal with a firefight and couldn't see if you killed anyone, but you went running away with some shield intact leaving a very disorganized squad in your wake. They ended up getting cut down right after. All I have to say is it was was a pretty sweet scene. and it almost got me killed becaus ei had to stop for a second and watch I had just read your previous diaries and I wasn't sure if your figured out the jumping, charging in mid air, and then hitting timing? Is it possible? The reason I ditched knives was the lack of being able to sprint and charge them. That was a deal killer for me, but it's been fun reading your exploits. I wonder what the new build holds in store for Novas. I have that effect on people. In regards to the sprinting, you can do that now by doing the following. Melee+R1(hold). CCP plans to refine that glitch so that it will be automatic instead of having to do a combo.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2132	Posted - 2013.04.26 17:00:00 - [13] - Quote Post 2 Updated
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2615	Posted - 2013.04.26 18:28:00 - [14] - Quote Still awesome. Look forward to more.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2187	Posted - 2013.05.05 01:22:00 - [15] - Quote Post updated
WE LOVE ReGnUM Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 45	Posted - 2013.05.05 01:29:00 - [16] - Quote I hate to be that guy, but I am gonna tell it to your face. The fact that CCP or any Devs actually take this guys post seriously is the pinnacle of why this game has so many problems. Nova Knifing is not role, nor is worthy of 10000 characters. In my opinion, this post is unconstructive and should be immediately removed.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2188	Posted - 2013.05.05 01:52:00 - [17] - Quote WE LOVE ReGnUM wrote: I hate to be that guy, but I am gonna tell it to your face. The fact that CCP or any Devs actually take this guys post seriously is the pinnacle of why this game has so many problems. Nova Knifing is not role, nor is worthy of 10000 characters. In my opinion, this post is unconstructive and should be immediately removed. I just received a phone call from someone living under a bridge. He wants company so I referred him to you.
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 445	Posted - 2013.05.05 01:57:00 - [18] - Quote ive gone 34-6 with the nova knife glitch
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2189	Posted - 2013.05.05 01:59:00 - [19] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: ive gone 34-6 with the nova knife glitch How come you're not posting diaries?
WE LOVE ReGnUM Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 45	Posted - 2013.05.05 02:01:00 - [20] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: WE LOVE ReGnUM wrote: I hate to be that guy, but I am gonna tell it to your face. The fact that CCP or any Devs actually take this guys post seriously is the pinnacle of why this game has so many problems. Nova Knifing is not role, nor is worthy of 10000 characters. In my opinion, this post is unconstructive and should be immediately removed. I just received a phone call from someone living under a bridge. He wants company so I referred him to you. That must be same guy who sees you go (0-9) (0-12) when you play against him. Like I said Nova Knifing will never ever be a role. You can keep on making wall of text self proclaiming your fake role, and how important you're on the battlefield. Its just never going to a role. To new players, don't even bother with this guy. He is just another bad player passing bad habits, but more importantly a very useless playstyle

Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2192	Posted - 2013.05.05 02:05:00 - [21] - Quote @Regnum Excuse me, but I don't judge your play style. So shoo, you little troll.
Tidaen Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 59	Posted - 2013.05.05 10:50:00 - [22] - Quote WE LOVE ReGnUM wrote: That must be same guy who sees you go (0-9) (0-12) when you play against him. Like I said Nova Knifing will never ever be a role. You can keep on making wall of text self proclaiming your fake role, and how important you're on the battlefield. Its just never going to a role. To new players, don't even bother with this guy. He is just another bad player passing bad habits, but more importantly a very useless playstyle Who cares? Let the man play the game the way he wants. I enjoy his posts, guys like Maken who take the road less traveled at the cost of having 1337 stats make for interesting reading at the very least. Better than the endless stream of whining and QQ threads that flood the forums daily.
Hunter Junko Bojo's School of the Trades 80	Posted - 2013.05.05 11:04:00 - [23] - Quote well i can say with certainty that maken has inspired me to rock a ninja Fit, skilled up to advanced knives, slapped a damage mod and i've been leaving red dots sliced up thinner than japanese cut pufferfish :D
VLIGHT5 Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 15	Posted - 2013.05.05 16:22:00 - [24] - Quote WE LOVE ReGnUM wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: WE LOVE ReGnUM wrote: I hate to be that guy, but I am gonna tell it to your face. The fact that CCP or any Devs actually take this guys post seriously is the pinnacle of why this game has so many problems. Nova Knifing is not role, nor is worthy of 10000 characters. In my opinion, this post is unconstructive and should be immediately removed. I just received a phone call from someone living under a bridge. He wants company so I referred him to you. That must be same guy who sees you go (0-9) (0-12) when you play against him. Like I said Nova Knifing will never ever be a role. You can keep on making wall of text self proclaiming your fake role, and how important you're on the battlefield. Its just never going to a role. To new players, don't even bother with this guy. He is just another bad player passing bad habits, but more importantly a very useless playstyle Of course Nova Knifing is a role. Sure, in its current state, it is not very viable. But that is changing come Uprising. If it exists, there is a role for it. Nova Knifing is hard to do, but it is also very fun and rewarding. Let people play the way they want, rather than remain being a conceited prick lurking on the forums, trying to convince people they're not as pro as you for using the weapon that they want.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2192	Posted - 2013.05.05 16:28:00 - [25] - Quote Guys, I know this may come as a surprise for you, but leave WE LOVE Regnum alone. I don't have any beef with him and neither should you. Besides, I get the feeling he's just wanting to troll bait us into derailing this thread without realizing it. So let him keep swimming on that side of the pond if he wants to.
VLIGHT5 Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 15	Posted - 2013.05.05 16:34:00 - [26] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Guys, I know this may come as a surprise for you, but leave WE LOVE Regnum alone. I don't have any beef with him and neither should you. Besides, I get the feeling he's just wanting to troll bait us into derailing this thread without realizing it. So let him keep swimming on that side of the pond if he wants to. Either way, I look forward to being a Ninja come Uprising If I may ask, are you planning on using the Minmatar Suit? Each one seems to have its advantages for the Nova Knives. Minmatar is faster and has bonus damage, but the Gallente is supposed to be very stealth-oriented, so I'm not sure which fits the Knives better. What will you be using? I'm fairly certain I'm going to go with Minmatar, but I haven't played Dust in months so I'd like an expert's opinion.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2192	Posted - 2013.05.05 17:15:00 - [27] - Quote @VLIGHT5 If you want to take full advantage of the knives, I recommend the Minmatar. That's where I'm going for tomorrow. I would only recommend the Gallente for the stealth approach and breaking through redline situations.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2220	Posted - 2013.05.08 14:59:00 - [28] - Quote Posts 3-5 updated
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2220	Posted - 2013.05.08 15:05:00 - [29] - Quote friendly bump
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 274	Posted - 2013.05.08 15:30:00 - [30] - Quote yo, ninjabro, I think you really effed up man. Not just getting the gallente, but in how you load out your suit. With the way damage output is on the wussie weapons (none nova knives), a scout suit can survive for a long time in cqc if it stacks shields. With that, plus quick slashes, you no longer have to sneak up on someone and get a lucky hit to get the kill. You can swing repeatedly and run around. I have been running knives on my sidearm in this new build and I love it. because of the range nerf, I constantly find myself in cqc. My knives (adv) 1-2 shot just about anyone (not heavies) without charging. Did I mention they changed spotting and scanning? Almost no one runs the scanning module, and spotting is unreliable too. This means a suit with no profile dampening can easily infiltrate enemy lines. It's actually to easy. You don't need stealth modules. Just speed and EHP. Seriously, stack shields, and speed modules, and just sprint into the side of an enemy squad. If someone sees you, ignore them and go for someone who doesn't. Use strafe sprint to avoid enemy fire as you sprint into the fray. If they are engaging you're blue dots, the focused required to hit anything now and the chaos will ensure you at least get 2 kills before you need to sprint away. Also flux grenades freak people out. freaked out people shoot wonky. Wonky shooters are easy kills.

Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2225	Posted - 2013.05.08 19:50:00 - [31] - Quote Post 5 updated @Sontie It's down to personal preference on how I want to fit my modules. Some matches just give me bad luck and I end up with 0/6 or 2/11 at worst while some matches I can go 4/2 or 8/6 at best with only one match out of like fifty-something in which I get 13 kills. So this just tells me that it hardly matters if I fit shield extenders unless of course you're using Ishukone Nova Knives and are benefiting from the Minmatar Scout Bonus towards melee/knife damage. At that point, you can go right ahead and fit shield extenders so long as your knive can compensate for the lack of damage modules. As an added note, the Ishukone Nova Knives deal 200HP which (coupled with double strike) equal to at least 400HP before bonuses or modules are applied. Then there is the 0.8sec charge time that it has. Again, if you can fit this baby then I highly recommend your idea of fitting for extra shields. Just make sure you have enough PG/CPU for speed and maybe an active scanner.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:14:00 - [32] - Quote WE LOVE ReGnUM wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: WE LOVE ReGnUM wrote: I hate to be that guy, but I am gonna tell it to your face. The fact that CCP or any Devs actually take this guys post seriously is the pinnacle of why this game has so many problems. Nova Knifing is not role, nor is worthy of 10000 characters. In my opinion, this post is unconstructive and should be immediately removed. I just received a phone call from someone living under a bridge. He wants company so I referred him to you. That must be same guy who sees you go (0-9) (0-12) when you play against him. Like I said Nova Knifing will never ever be a role. You can keep on making wall of text self proclaiming your fake role, and how important you're on the battlefield. Its just never going to a role. To new players, don't even bother with this guy. He is just another bad player passing bad habits, but more importantly a very useless playstyle Riiiiight, because a 1-hit kill weapon clearly has no role, right? Knives have a role, there just aren't a ton of people who can pull it off successfully. Why? Because it takes a better map awareness and tactics than using rifles for example. You can't just aim and pray...
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2225	Posted - 2013.05.09 00:23:00 - [33] - Quote @R'adeh No feeding the trolls. At least not on my diaries. @Everyone else Holy crap, my diary landed on the third page already for the third time in a row just for this day alone? My god, the complaining must be strong in the forums.
Cheshire Cat24 Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.09 02:02:00 - [34] - Quote You still need to answer the question that's on all our minds: Is the Way of the Ninja a viable build? I want to know if I can consistently be helpful to my team, instead of just draining clones and boosting the enemy's confidence :p
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2228	Posted - 2013.05.09 02:24:00 - [35] - Quote Cheshire Cat24 wrote: You still need to answer the question that's on all our minds: Is the Way of the Ninja a viable build? I want to know if I can consistently be helpful to my team, instead of just draining clones and boosting the enemy's confidence :p As long as you stick to the following, it's a viable build at this point. If you had asked me during Chromosome I would have answered with a straight up "no". 1. Pick your battles carefully (active scanners will help you here). 2. I can already kill a handful of people with just the ZN-28 with enhanced damage mods. If you can get your hands on the Ishukone Nova Knives and stick with Minmatar scout suits plus the Minmatar Scout Bonus, you can get away with ignoring the damage mods and fitting shield extenders as Sontie recommended. 3. Avoid open areas as much as possible (this is not a substitute for your assault). 4. Learn the terrain as quickly as possible. There was a rumor I heard just today in which someone from PFBH managed to kill 30 players with the knives with very little to almost no deaths. If this is true, then this just confirms the weapon's viability in Uprising and will only be amplified once the cloaking modules come into the market. Even at my level, I don't die too badly. The worst I had was 11 deaths and that was in a pub match when everything was stacked against me. On average, I die about 4-6 times a match.
Cheshire Cat24 Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.09 02:46:00 - [36] - Quote Awesome! I'm still very trepidatious as to whether or not I should sink all my hard-earned SP into stabby-stabs, but the potential to be a "That one nova knifer guy" guy is very tempting. And the cloaking modules? I think I'll crumple from the pure ninja sexiness of it all. Night maps soon please?
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2230	Posted - 2013.05.09 02:52:00 - [37] - Quote Cheshire Cat24 wrote: Awesome! I'm still very trepidatious as to whether or not I should sink all my hard-earned SP into stabby-stabs, but the potential to be a "That one nova knifer guy" guy is very tempting. And the cloaking modules? I think I'll crumple from the pure ninja sexiness of it all. Night maps soon please? If you're not sure, just stick with Minmatar Light Frame M/1-Series suits and experiment with a few militia fits. Also, experiment with different control layouts. The Legacy layout is good for preventing you from looking down at your shoes while turning tight corners to kill a merc but you'll have to get use to looking up an down on the R3 stick and left and right on the L3 stick. Hold off on the Minmatar Scout Dropsuit skill book until you feel ready.
Spergin McBadposter Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 36	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:18:00 - [38] - Quote Is the damage listed on the stat screen for the knives the charged or uncharged damage? Also how big is the damage difference between charged and uncharged?
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2231	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:36:00 - [39] - Quote Spergin McBadposter wrote: Is the damage listed on the stat screen for the knives the charged or uncharged damage? Also how big is the damage difference between charged and uncharged? That's what has me confused. There is no mention on whether the damage is with or without the charge I'm going to send an email to CCP about this for clarification.
Je-NOVA Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:38:00 - [40] - Quote You should add me for a knife party

Sollemnis Aelinos 89th Infantry Division 3	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:48:00 - [41] - Quote i didnt know a cloaking module is coming soon :/
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2231	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:57:00 - [42] - Quote @Sollemnis Aelinos Originally, it was planned to be in Uprising, but then came the news during Fanfest 2013 that cloaking will be delayed until further notice which had me crying in tears.
Sollemnis Aelinos 89th Infantry Division 3	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:59:00 - [43] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: @Sollemnis Aelinos Originally, it was planned to be in Uprising, but then came the news during Fanfest 2013 that cloaking will be delayed until further notice which had me crying in tears. awww that would have been so awesome with my nova knives and more complaints lol
Cheshire Cat24 Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:55:00 - [44] - Quote Is there a Nova Knifer public channel? I'd love to squad up for some ninja knifing if I skill into it.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2832	Posted - 2013.05.09 06:33:00 - [45] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: @Sollemnis Aelinos Originally, it was planned to be in Uprising, but then came the news during Fanfest 2013 that cloaking will be delayed until further notice which had me crying in tears. Where did they say it was coming in Uprising? I remember them saying it was "in the works" without a specific timeframe or a limitation to the upcoming build in the Equipment blog, but they avoided giving us a timeframe even as specific as "next build" when talking about when the Cloak and Shield Equipment were coming.
K9 Wez The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 20	Posted - 2013.05.09 06:54:00 - [46] - Quote Dont see a reason for cloaking equipment to be honest, now that scout are harder than ever to spot, especially one with profile dampners. Good luck finding a scout sniper with a complex dampner, damn near impossible.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 885	Posted - 2013.05.10 01:30:00 - [47] - Quote I'm surprised, that the king of nova knives (despite my name, maken has bested me in our only showdown to date) has not commented on how completely overpowered the knives have become with the uncharged swipes and the incredibly overzealous aim assist on melee :P What are your thoughts on the changes Maken, I'm curious!
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 276	Posted - 2013.05.10 01:53:00 - [48] - Quote Hey guys. I have an alt that I'm planning to turn into a shotgun/nova knifer. I have a long way to go until I get the SP to get into good stuff, but it'll be interesting. Any tips for a Drunk Heavy turned silent assassin?
Rainn Ender L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 27	Posted - 2013.05.10 02:14:00 - [49] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Hey guys. I have an alt that I'm planning to turn into a shotgun/nova knifer. I have a long way to go until I get the SP to get into good stuff, but it'll be interesting. Any tips for a Drunk Heavy turned silent assassin? speed. and then more speed. this build is sooo insane for cqc scouts, i knew sprint strafing would change the game.
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 281	Posted - 2013.05.10 02:53:00 - [50] - Quote I think legacy might become dangerous if you learn how to use it, but it's so alien to how we've been playing games for years that it would take a while to relearn. I think shield > damage mods because most of the time the damage mod isn't changing the number of slices to kill. With the ADV knives, it'll take 2/3 quick slashes to kill someone usually, and a damage mod won't change that 90% of the time. Shields though, will help you survive long enough to get those slashes in. Once I close to a certain range, no one can hit me consistently. If I can survive the few bullets they manage to land, then I get the kill. I'm going to try running pure knives tonight. I will post my numbers. When I put up should be what you do at your worst. Strafe Sprinting is amazing.

Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 281	Posted - 2013.05.10 02:54:00 - [51] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: I'm surprised, that the king of nova knives (despite my name, maken has bested me in our only showdown to date) has not commented on how completely overpowered the knives have become with the uncharged swipes and the incredibly overzealous aim assist on melee :P What are your thoughts on the changes Maken, I'm curious! I don't think they are OP (haven't used proto yet). They are still easy to miss with, though I might just have my sensitivity up to high.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2237	Posted - 2013.05.10 03:54:00 - [52] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: I'm surprised, that the king of nova knives (despite my name, maken has bested me in our only showdown to date) has not commented on how completely overpowered the knives have become with the uncharged swipes and the incredibly overzealous aim assist on melee :P What are your thoughts on the changes Maken, I'm curious! I'm liking it considering the following. Post 5 Updated Again, my only gripe is that I am currently unable to sprint with the charge held. There were a few fun encounters I had just recently during these tests. I was surrounded by 4 mercs at one time in Manus Peak Skirmish and since I didn't want to skew my test results with any self-defense stikes, I decided to screw around with them by dancing around in their group as they shot me. Surprisingly, I lasted a good ten seconds despite the barrage of assault gunfire. The second fun encounter was with a sniper who I just grabbed his attention without attacking and decided to let him shoot me while I played with him. He was running backwards shooting him SMG at me while I casually sprinting towards him doing a few gentle strafes here and there. A clip and a half later, he was still trying to kill me until his friendly logi came in and ended the party. Poor fella didn't realize I have spared his life.
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 281	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:12:00 - [53] - Quote 19/1 9/7 6/2 9/2 12/8 the first was against PRO All Ambush OMS
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 886	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:16:00 - [54] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: [ Please read the updated post. Very important info there on the Nova Knife Damage. It looks like the knives are practically insane. Yeah, that's what I found. Combined with the new aim-assist for melee (Which is frankly overzealous, being close enough to someone but not having them in your directly FOV, you can still hit them half the time) The damage listed in show info for adv and proto knives are fine IMO, but that needs to be the damage they do while charged. I agree that sprinting while charged is a must, but the 'quick swipes' should be something someone uses as a finisher after a charged swipe! Currently, there's pretty much no reason to charge them as you can just spam r1 do crazy damage!
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2237	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:59:00 - [55] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: [ Please read the updated post. Very important info there on the Nova Knife Damage. It looks like the knives are practically insane. Yeah, that's what I found. Combined with the new aim-assist for melee (Which is frankly overzealous, being close enough to someone but not having them in your directly FOV, you can still hit them half the time) The damage listed in show info for adv and proto knives are fine IMO, but that needs to be the damage they do while charged. I agree that sprinting while charged is a must, but the 'quick swipes' should be something someone uses as a finisher after a charged swipe! Currently, there's pretty much no reason to charge them as you can just spam r1 do crazy damage! Actually, I like it the way they are. Besides, knowing how CCP tends to over nerf things, I don't want them touched anymore.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 886	Posted - 2013.05.10 08:02:00 - [56] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Actually, I like it the way they are. Besides, knowing how CCP tends to over nerf things, I don't want them touched anymore. If they leave it the way it is, I'd say they should just remove the charge and tone down the melee assist. A small stamina cost for swinging wouldn't be amiss, either! (Standard damage + charge time is a bit too low IMO) Maybe they could keep the charge and use it as an AV weapon >.>
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 281	Posted - 2013.05.10 08:45:00 - [57] - Quote AV charged swipes would be awesome. I don't think it needs a nerf. I think certain other things need a buff. I can run through a group of red dots, and if none of them has a TAR and can aim, I can knife 2-3 of them and run out before my shields pop.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 5	Posted - 2013.05.10 19:38:00 - [58] - Quote Sontie wrote: AV charged swipes would be awesome. I don't think it needs a nerf. I think certain other things need a buff. I can run through a group of red dots, and if none of them has a TAR and can aim, I can knife 2-3 of them and run out before my shields pop. That's because they simply don't react quick enough using the right tactic. If they keep standing close together like fools, sure, they deserve to die. They should move a bit out where they have all the advantage again.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2245	Posted - 2013.05.10 19:42:00 - [59] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: Sontie wrote: AV charged swipes would be awesome. I don't think it needs a nerf. I think certain other things need a buff. I can run through a group of red dots, and if none of them has a TAR and can aim, I can knife 2-3 of them and run out before my shields pop. That's because they simply don't react quick enough using the right tactic. If they keep standing close together like fools, sure, they deserve to die. They should move a bit out where they have all the advantage again. You're assuming they'll remember that when you surprise them in a dark crowded room. I remember running straight into a bunker full of assault mercs and managed to kill off at least three of them resulting in some rather embarrassing losses on their side. A knifer in a cramped room full of mercs is a disaster waiting to happen.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 5	Posted - 2013.05.10 19:47:00 - [60] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: Sontie wrote: AV charged swipes would be awesome. I don't think it needs a nerf. I think certain other things need a buff. I can run through a group of red dots, and if none of them has a TAR and can aim, I can knife 2-3 of them and run out before my shields pop. That's because they simply don't react quick enough using the right tactic. If they keep standing close together like fools, sure, they deserve to die. They should move a bit out where they have all the advantage again. You're assuming they'll remember that when you surprise them in a dark crowded room. I remember running straight into a bunker full of assault mercs and managed to kill off at least three of them resulting in some rather embarrassing losses on their side. A knifer in a cramped room full of mercs is a disaster waiting to happen. That is correct...but very situational. Compare it to me having to cross a damn open space while a sniper sees me and my 2 squad mates. I wouldn't complain about that either because a range weapon should have the clear edge at range. Just like something that requires "in your face" up closeness should have the total advantage at those super close ranges. Just because people haven't adapted correctly yet doesn't mean knives are overpowered imo. If you have to cross an open plane and there's a sniper, that sniper needs to die before you can cross the field...which isn't easy. Same goes for a knifer (or shotgunner) in confined spaces. If you want to survive he has to die...or you simply don't hang out in spots where you know some guys might totally outclass you because their weapons are made for that range and your weapon isn't. It's all situational like in EVE...at certain ranges a Deimos wins, at others it's the 1400mm tempest.

Cheshire Cat24 Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.11 01:19:00 - [61] - Quote **** it, I'm speccing into knives. EXCELSIOR
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2251	Posted - 2013.05.11 01:31:00 - [62] - Quote Cheshire Cat24 wrote: **** it, I'm speccing into knives. EXCELSIOR Another one has joined the fold. Welcome to the knifers club.
DeadlyAztec11 One-Armed Bandits Heretic Initiative 233	Posted - 2013.05.11 02:07:00 - [63] - Quote We still have dinosaur arms lol
Cheshire Cat24 Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.11 03:05:00 - [64] - Quote I've gotta reiterate my question though: Is there a knifer's public channel? Squadding up like that would be wicked fun
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2256	Posted - 2013.05.11 03:58:00 - [65] - Quote When I have the time, I'll mail you the information on the chat channel.
Cheshire Cat24 Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:51:00 - [66] - Quote Ah sweet, thanks
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2	Posted - 2013.05.13 02:50:00 - [67] - Quote Didn't realize that I was posting on my alt. I'm Cheshire Cat24, this is my main.


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