Lvl 5: Command Aircraft - These will be the biggest and slowest aircraft that will act has a command ship that will have a massive radar radius so they can guide friendly aircraft into range of there targets. They could also be fitted to have big passenger capacity like 6-12 to deploy them for high altitude drops. It also will have the ability to fit remote shield and armor repair modules to repair friendly aircraft in flight. So it will act has the logistics in the sky but it will need to defend itself until help arrives with small turrets and aerial countermeasures.

When I was reading the comment from Mobius Wyvern I considered maybe the fighter bomber could be to multi-role so I thought of away so they would be more focused on air to ground combat but still have some defensive capabilities to help them survive until help arrives.

Lvl 4: Fighter Bomber - This will be a heavy and slower version of the fighter and will be have two seats a pilot and co-pilot. The pilot will be the one flying and maneuvering onto the targets and will be in control the frontal guns and air to ground weapons. The co-pilot will be operating a 360 degree rotating turret that will provide defense against enemy aircraft. The co-pilot will also be in charge of all the countermeasures.

I also liked the comment by Halador Osiris with the Command Aircraft so heres an revision of the Heavy Aircraft

Lvl 5: Command Aircraft - These will be the biggest and slowest aircraft that will act has a command ship that will have a massive radar radius so they can guide friendly aircraft into range of there targets. They could also be fitted to have big passenger capacity like 6-12 to deploy them for high altitude drops. It also will have the ability to fit remote shield and armor repair modules to repair friendly aircraft in flight. So it will act has the logistics in the sky but it will need to defend itself until help arrives with small turrets and aerial countermeasures.

If there are any other ideas please post them maybe CCP is reading .

I dont think fighters and bombers need to be two different class just one Foward moving class that can be either fit as a fighter or bomber depending on whats fitted to it. I would also hate to see a light air class be solely dedicated to the gunship role, i would like to see option for fitting a Light Air/"gunship" as a scout, on site targeting(be pretty cool to see a aircraft use target painters and guide in fighters and artillery strikes).

just remember there are three class we know of Light, Medium, and Heavy and seeing as a Dropshipis considered heavy i could see the fighter being a medium craft with a more gunship like vehicle being

I mean more along the ways of allowing general frames to be geared towards either AA AG or something else with modules. how you fit them would decide what they did on the battle field rather than what class they were.

For example a Light Air frame would look and operate very similar to an attack gunship rather than a figher or transport but you wouldn't have to Fit it for AG you could possible load up on stealth equipment and along with the passenger turn it into a covert ops transport simply because of the modules you fit or turn it into a mobile electronic warfare rig.

another example is the fighter or bomber class rather than having this be a separate thing just junk the whole thing into medium frame and what modules you fit decided whether its a fighter or bomber.

what i would like to see a light medium and heavy frame version of VTOL or Forward flight vehicles. Imagine having a medium class FF that would be well suited to interceptor or bomber role depending on how you fit it while at the same time a VTOL medium frame that would act like a mobile EW unit or Logi unit.

What if for earlier levels you have aircraft that can be specced in a multitude of ways according to what you put on it, but as you get higher and spec along certain paths you can use aircraft more suited to specific roles and therefore would be more effective at them. This would reward you for speccing into more specific skills and a perferred role. It would more or less be similar to what the HAVs seem to be becoming where the first tier is your general one then we would get the enforcers, marauders, and whatever else may come.

This doesn't sound right. It sounds less like New Eden and more like something I don't recognize.

I would rather they start off on the smaller side with attack aircraft to begin with. The abilities of aircraft are going to be completely dependent on map size and spread. With the current maps, the plane would be constantly doing figure 8s to stay within the red zone and would be severely OP considering how bunched everything is.

This will be a good idea when map sizes are at least a couple magnitudes larger than they are right now.

As I said in the other DS thread.. what I would like right now is a ship based on the DS but with only 2-3 spaces on it with a front mount turret and two fixed side pods.

Front mount - blaster/rail/missile/etc

Side mount - vehicle version of swarms/plasma cannon etc (have to aim these with the ship)

To balance these out, the tanks should have an available turret that is similar to swarms.

Perhaps you could elaborate on this, as I'm not quite sure what you mean. I'm new to New Eden myself, but what I understand it to be is a place full of politics, betrayal, wars, battles, alliances, grudges, plots and conspiracies. What we are talking about here are the tools by which to execute and maintain these things. At least that's what I understood New Eden to be.

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I'm talking about the aspect of it. The modules are so mundane, the skill progression is contrary to the norm, and it just seems... different to what I would imagine aerial vehicles to be.

These things are by no means intended to apply to the current map sizes we have now. They are ideas for when we reach the large scale battles we are hoping to eventually reach.

The ship to which you refer with the fixed weaponry for the pilot is essentially what we refer to as the attack ship. Also a swarm launcher variant turret for HAVs would be somewhat acceptable provided the countermeasures requested are also implemented. .

Flying warmachines?

Perhaps you could elaborate on this, as I'm not quite sure what you mean. I'm new to New Eden myself, but what I understand it to be is a place full of politics, betrayal, wars, battles, alliances, grudges, plots and conspiracies. What we are talking about here are the tools by which to execute and maintain these things. At least that's what I understood New Eden to be.



These things are by no means intended to apply to the current map sizes we have now. They are ideas for when we reach the large scale battles we are hoping to eventually reach.

The ship to which you refer with the fixed weaponry for the pilot is essentially what we refer to as the attack ship. Also a swarm launcher variant turret for HAVs would be somewhat acceptable provided the countermeasures requested are also implemented.

Mobius, the Aviation Instruments part of the requests covers that sort of thing. Flying in first person is practically impossible as is. Also the ability to free look while flying in first person is of course a good idea.

And they aren't the most detailed, so I honestly can't tell what the author is trying to suggest here.

I wouldn`t worry about it (the Author of the OP), vehicles are very well orginized, although CCP said there was a 'Gunship', I think we can agree they were refaring to the DS further more a varient of the DS (or the HAA).



fighters/fighter bombers are LAA (Light Attack Aircraft), something we do know are that there are madruager & Enforcer HAVs. Understandiong that both the LAA and HAV is ment for direct combat they will have attacker varients more often then not, so what are thoose varients for? the Madruagers are HP vehicles ment to deal out damage as they get the job done, LAAs will most definitly have 1 varient based off of this, now the Enforcer, the Enforcers are weak and slow but deal great sums of damage, I`m 100% sure they will have a LAA varient with this same purpose that is used for strafe runs (aka your fighter bomber).

DS (DropShip): are used for for support and you can take it for an expensive airial logi bro, main purpose is for transport so the Logi varient is the outstanding varient for this, but a DS are used as triagers aswell and favored as gunships so you will also find a Assualt varient for battle, I would hope for a Trieger varient aswell in the later future.

HAA: not much is known, but it has to be carried by a RDV so not much larger then a tank, I would guess a airborn tank like vehicle that has to circle its targets like a Vulture but I truly don`t know.

btw, would you like to see a little gameplay of the LAA in the last engine?: skip to 5:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED-YF-v7WCw

thats the gallante LAA, I can`t confirm what avrient since they havn`t released the names of the varients and they would all look the same anyways

Is it sad that I am jealous of that game?

Lets see

- Large map
- Complex building environments
- The rocket launcher is a secondary
- LAA

Imagine that with the updated modeling and game play we have now

well, they all are coming except #3... attatchments to guns have been lightly mentioned such as scopes/iron sights, but it has alot to do with the User Market.