DUST Search - "not a pay to win game"

Twisted202 wrote:

Altina McAlterson wrote:

DigiOps wrote:

Skipper Jones pretty much hit the nail straight on the head.

And yet the fact that the market is coming, and when it gets here all these AUR items will be available for ISK seems completely irrelevant to everyone.

Twisted202 wrote:

Skipper Jones wrote:

There is no aurum item that gives a DEFINITE advantage over some one who pays with isk. I have not put a single penny into this game and I have no problem with being competitive with the people who use boosters or use a "get it faster item". The skill cap balances out the people who use boosters, the aurum weapons are the same weapons as the higher tier one, you just get them faster. The game isn't pay to win.

So 2 teams of newbies. one with kitted out aurum gear, one with miltia. Who wins?

"Kitted out AUR gear" meaning one level above the militia gear right? So type-1 Assault, Blindfire Rifle and advanced mods without any bonuses you would get from the skills?

1 level above is still an advantage

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Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 17	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:03:00 - [1] - Quote Aurum. Nothing wrong with this. But boosters give users a bigger return on their games, SP wise, Which in the long run is pay to win becuase better gear is affordable faster. Better gear = wins.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 768	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:04:00 - [2] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: faster
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 452	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:05:00 - [3] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Aurum. Nothing wrong with this. But boosters give users a bigger return on their games, SP wise, Which in the long run it pay to win becuase better gear is affordable faster. Better gear = wins. Boosters will be available on the market for ISK. So no,this game is not P2W.
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming EoN. 147	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:05:00 - [4] - Quote When you have AUR items that outperform it's ISK variants, it's P2W.
BlG MAMA PLAYSTATION4 39	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:06:00 - [5] - Quote yeah riiight i just wait to see what CCP is going to do in the final version , if there are gona be any filters to eliminate AUR and Kb/M from matches if not ill delete the characters and delete this FREE TO PAY TO WIN game
BlG MAMA PLAYSTATION4 39	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:07:00 - [6] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Aurum. Nothing wrong with this. But boosters give users a bigger return on their games, SP wise, Which in the long run it pay to win becuase better gear is affordable faster. Better gear = wins. Boosters will be available on the market for ISK. So no,this game is not P2W. its not only boosters lol i like how these drones come out and defend this P2W BS
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 17	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:09:00 - [7] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Aurum. Nothing wrong with this. But boosters give users a bigger return on their games, SP wise, Which in the long run it pay to win becuase better gear is affordable faster. Better gear = wins. Boosters will be available on the market for ISK. So no,this game is not P2W. Right now are they. No. so it is pay to win.
Sete Clifton PSU GHOST SYNDICATE 86	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:10:00 - [8] - Quote Pay to win generally refers to games where you can access certain gear/items/skills/etc only through paying real money. Dust just allows you to speed up the leveling/gearing process. It's mostly just a convenience thing, everything can be obtained through just playing the game. Some have pointed out that there are a couple of items that cost aurum that have lower CPU/PG costs, but hopefully that gets adjusted. And in any case, it's not really game breaking anyway.
BlG MAMA PLAYSTATION4 39	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:12:00 - [9] - Quote Sete Clifton wrote: Pay to win generally refers to games where you can access certain gear/items/skills/etc only through paying real money. Dust just allows you to speed up the leveling/gearing process. It's mostly just a convenience thing, everything can be obtained through just playing the game. Some have pointed out that there are a couple of items that cost aurum that have lower CPU/PG costs, but hopefully that gets adjusted. And in any case, it's not really game breaking anyway. yeah someone that uses Kb/M AND AUR stuff is not game breaking have fun playing against same few people using Kb/M and AUR stuff because that is the future of Dust514
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 768	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:14:00 - [10] - Quote BlG MAMA wrote: yeah riiight i just wait to see what CCP is going to do in the final version , if there are gona be any filters to eliminate AUR and Kb/M from matches if not ill delete the characters and delete this FREE TO PAY TO WIN game The door is that way --->

Sete Clifton PSU GHOST SYNDICATE 86	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:16:00 - [11] - Quote BlG MAMA wrote: Sete Clifton wrote: Pay to win generally refers to games where you can access certain gear/items/skills/etc only through paying real money. Dust just allows you to speed up the leveling/gearing process. It's mostly just a convenience thing, everything can be obtained through just playing the game. Some have pointed out that there are a couple of items that cost aurum that have lower CPU/PG costs, but hopefully that gets adjusted. And in any case, it's not really game breaking anyway. yeah someone that uses Kb/M AND AUR stuff is not game breaking have fun playing against same few people using Kb/M and AUR stuff because that is the future of Dust514 Look, if it was up to me, they never would have introduced keyboard support. That being said, there isn't much they can do about that now, and it doesn't really seem to be that much of an advantage anyway. As for aurum items. They're necessary because this game needs to make money in order to continue. They are merely a convenience. It might take a little longer to get the ISK version of the same item, but that doesn't bother me.
DigiOps DUST University Ivy League 92	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:18:00 - [12] - Quote You can hold your own with core skills and isk gear. Grabbing a Mercenary Pack is only $20. With the 30 day active booster you'll get enough for passive boosters to match. That's not exactly a lot of money. I still role with standard fits in pub matches too, barring any test drives.
Skipper Jones ZionTCD Legacy Rising 27	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:19:00 - [13] - Quote There is no aurum item that gives a DEFINITE advantage over some one who pays with isk. I have not put a single penny into this game and I have no problem with being competitive with the people who use boosters or use a "get it faster item". The skill cap balances out the people who use boosters, the aurum weapons are the same weapons as the higher tier one, you just get them faster. The game isn't pay to win.
Beld Errmon Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 562	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:21:00 - [14] - Quote If you don't like it don't play, this is how free games work and no one is forcing you to pay or play for that matter.
Green Living Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 137	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:23:00 - [15] - Quote Aurum, do more faster.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 452	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:23:00 - [16] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Aurum. Nothing wrong with this. But boosters give users a bigger return on their games, SP wise, Which in the long run it pay to win becuase better gear is affordable faster. Better gear = wins. Boosters will be available on the market for ISK. So no,this game is not P2W. Right now are they. No. so it is pay to win. Ok, I really want to know what your point is? I'm just getting sick and tired of this same stupid crap filling up the forums. What do you want CCP to do about it? The game isn't finished. Seriously, what is the point you are trying to convey? "The game is incomplete and a certain thing is currently unbalanced but CCP knows about it and a major feature that will be included in the game will fix it." I'm really curious as to what point you are trying to make and more importantly what you reasonably expect to be done to address it.
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 125	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:24:00 - [17] - Quote I like the sandbox, albeit limited, that it is. The sheer amount of tactics and variables reward legit skill and intellect as well. And you can't buy that. There's nothing like flanking the F out of a proto squad and working them. True, I usually only hurt most of them and kill one before they kill me and rez their mate before my bleeding out eyes, but it's seriously fun for me to be the underdog. So even if it is P2W, it's still sweet. And we don't even know the full extent of where this will go cause it's beta. So you could be super correct, or as the product matures those concerns will fall to the side. I guess will find out S00Ner or later tm. The big equalizer here is time. In time, just like the human species, we'll all be exactly the same.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 682	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:24:00 - [18] - Quote Kbm isn't a huge advantage, just a bit more precise however it does eliminate the turn penalty on suits which is a known glitch, you don't have to make excuses for you being bad. Besides boosters letting you grind a bit less they don't do much and aurum gear is the same as it's isk equal. However the early access suits should be limited to standard items
DigiOps DUST University Ivy League 92	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:29:00 - [19] - Quote Skipper Jones pretty much hit the nail straight on the head.
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 17	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:34:00 - [20] - Quote Skipper Jones wrote: There is no aurum item that gives a DEFINITE advantage over some one who pays with isk. I have not put a single penny into this game and I have no problem with being competitive with the people who use boosters or use a "get it faster item". The skill cap balances out the people who use boosters, the aurum weapons are the same weapons as the higher tier one, you just get them faster. The game isn't pay to win. So 2 teams of newbies. one with kitted out aurum gear, one with miltia. Who wins?

Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 454	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:34:00 - [21] - Quote DigiOps wrote: Skipper Jones pretty much hit the nail straight on the head. And yet the fact that the market is coming, and when it gets here all these AUR items will be available for ISK seems completely irrelevant to everyone.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 454	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:37:00 - [22] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Skipper Jones wrote: There is no aurum item that gives a DEFINITE advantage over some one who pays with isk. I have not put a single penny into this game and I have no problem with being competitive with the people who use boosters or use a "get it faster item". The skill cap balances out the people who use boosters, the aurum weapons are the same weapons as the higher tier one, you just get them faster. The game isn't pay to win. So 2 teams of newbies. one with kitted out aurum gear, one with miltia. Who wins? "Kitted out AUR gear" meaning one level above the militia gear right? So type-1 Assault, Blindfire Rifle and advanced mods without any bonuses you would get from the skills?
DigiOps DUST University Ivy League 92	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:38:00 - [23] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: DigiOps wrote: Skipper Jones pretty much hit the nail straight on the head. And yet the fact that the market is coming, and when it gets here all these AUR items will be available for ISK seems completely irrelevant to everyone. Ah, I'm thinking in terms of right now, though. OP, I thought we moved on to your gripe with boosters. What gives? Also, to better answer your question, are the AUR fitted players idiots or is everyone on the same intellectual playing field?
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 533	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:39:00 - [24] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Skipper Jones wrote: There is no aurum item that gives a DEFINITE advantage over some one who pays with isk. I have not put a single penny into this game and I have no problem with being competitive with the people who use boosters or use a "get it faster item". The skill cap balances out the people who use boosters, the aurum weapons are the same weapons as the higher tier one, you just get them faster. The game isn't pay to win. So 2 teams of newbies. one with kitted out aurum gear, one with miltia. Who wins? The better team, aurum helps you get ahead, but once you max out a skill set you max out a skill set. Most of the guys I run with typically run standard gear and can smash a protobear no problem. And if you think a KB/M is better then a controller, pls bring you KB/M and 1v1 Kreashawn Corasanti (or however you spell it)
Grezkev The Red Guards EoN. 170	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:43:00 - [25] - Quote Some of us got jobs. Complaining about a booster is meh
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 17	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:43:00 - [26] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: DigiOps wrote: Skipper Jones pretty much hit the nail straight on the head. And yet the fact that the market is coming, and when it gets here all these AUR items will be available for ISK seems completely irrelevant to everyone. Twisted202 wrote: Skipper Jones wrote: There is no aurum item that gives a DEFINITE advantage over some one who pays with isk. I have not put a single penny into this game and I have no problem with being competitive with the people who use boosters or use a "get it faster item". The skill cap balances out the people who use boosters, the aurum weapons are the same weapons as the higher tier one, you just get them faster. The game isn't pay to win. So 2 teams of newbies. one with kitted out aurum gear, one with miltia. Who wins? "Kitted out AUR gear" meaning one level above the militia gear right? So type-1 Assault, Blindfire Rifle and advanced mods without any bonuses you would get from the skills? 1 level above is still an advantage
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation 1927	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:45:00 - [27] - Quote Jesus Christ, enough of this already. We discussed this enough and for an entire year at that. The market is not open yet and when it does, all pay to win claims will be shot dead.
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 105	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:46:00 - [28] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Aurum. Nothing wrong with this. But boosters give users a bigger return on their games, SP wise, Which in the long run is pay to win becuase better gear is affordable faster. Better gear = wins. In the short term you would be correct, booster do give an advantage. But long term(6-12months), no. Why? because you can only bring so much "SP" into a battle at a time. you can max out every skill in the game, but you can only fit so much onto a dropsuit at one time. Now, if you can't find or decide on a role to focus on, I can see how this may seem like a problem. BTW, better gear =/= win. Teamwork, skill, & strategy = win.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 768	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:53:00 - [29] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: DigiOps wrote: Skipper Jones pretty much hit the nail straight on the head. And yet the fact that the market is coming, and when it gets here all these AUR items will be available for ISK seems completely irrelevant to everyone. Twisted202 wrote: Skipper Jones wrote: There is no aurum item that gives a DEFINITE advantage over some one who pays with isk. I have not put a single penny into this game and I have no problem with being competitive with the people who use boosters or use a "get it faster item". The skill cap balances out the people who use boosters, the aurum weapons are the same weapons as the higher tier one, you just get them faster. The game isn't pay to win. So 2 teams of newbies. one with kitted out aurum gear, one with miltia. Who wins? "Kitted out AUR gear" meaning one level above the militia gear right? So type-1 Assault, Blindfire Rifle and advanced mods without any bonuses you would get from the skills? 1 level above is still an advantage And the other team can't invest into type 1 stuff why? It's not like the game starts them at 0 SP.
I-Shayz-I ZionTCD Legacy Rising 181	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:53:00 - [30] - Quote Everyone is so mean here. Stop giving these bullshit answers like "you get it faster, that's not pay to win" or "aurum doesn't buy a better gun" The truth is that players that have boosters will ALWAYS have an advantage over players without boosters. HOWEVER, players with a lot of skill points will ALWAYS have an advantage over players with less. This is the reality of this game, and people need to accept it. As one of the so called "proto fags", I can say that most of my kills come from militia suits, and not from other players my skill level. The other reality is that anyone can kill anyone if they're using the right tool. Even the distinct advantage from more skill points can be countered with the right suit fitting.



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