DUST Search - "not a pay to win game"

Natu Nobilis wrote:

Twisted202 wrote:

Natu Nobilis wrote:

Twisted202 wrote:

Edit: i didnt reasearch on this, but it does turn out its not even coming this patch... [bummer] So player market isn't coming any time soon (Dust 514 is Pay to Win?)

Aurum. Nothing wrong with this. But boosters give users a bigger return on their games, SP wise, Which in the long run is pay to win becuase better gear is affordable faster. Better gear = wins.

You

clearly

don-¦t

play

EVE.

No ammount of SP will solve stupidity and lack of skill.

No i dont. Stupidity that can be judged by yourself. Skill, if you have never played with me move along i would sit you

If you saw the examples, you would see that it refutes your initial argument, for the logic is the same. Better gear, better SP, doesn-¦t replace skill. Take a maxed SP char and put it in the hands of a new player, and a veteran with milita will probably win.

And in case you have as much skill as you-¦re saying, you-¦re not going to have any problem with unskilled but piimped players.

It was not an ad hominem, and not an offense to you, so just chill and save it for somebody else.

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Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 454	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:55:00 - [31] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Everyone is so mean here. Stop giving these bullshit answers like "you get it faster, that's not pay to win" or "aurum doesn't buy a better gun" The truth is that players that have boosters will ALWAYS have an advantage over players without boosters. HOWEVER, players with a lot of skill points will ALWAYS have an advantage over players with less. This is the reality of this game, and people need to accept it. As one of the so called "proto fags", I can say that most of my kills come from militia suits, and not from other players my skill level. The other reality is that anyone can kill anyone if they're using the right tool. Even the distinct advantage from more skill points can be countered with the right suit fitting. I'm really hoping "You will be able to buy it from the market for ISK so all of this garbage is completely irrelevant" isn't one of those bullshit answers.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 768	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:56:00 - [32] - Quote You're poor, stop complaining and join the club. Or you make yourself feel better and tell yourself you only lost because the other team payed to win. Oh, and me having an account right now puts me in advantage of a guy who starts 12 months from now, it doesn't matter how much he pays for his gear.
Grezkev The Red Guards EoN. 170	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:57:00 - [33] - Quote "The free-to-play Mercs are being exploited by the Paying Mercs" -Karl Marx
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:58:00 - [34] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Edit: i didnt reasearch on this, but it does turn out its not even coming this patch... [bummer] So player market isn't coming any time soon (Dust 514 is Pay to Win?) Aurum. Nothing wrong with this. But boosters give users a bigger return on their games, SP wise, Which in the long run is pay to win becuase better gear is affordable faster. Better gear = wins. You clearly don-¦t play EVE. No ammount of SP will solve stupidity and lack of skill.
XXfootnoteXX DUST University Ivy League 179	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:59:00 - [35] - Quote Ignore. messed up the quote.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:00:00 - [36] - Quote Grezkev wrote: "The free-to-play Mercs are being exploited by the Paying Mercs" -Karl Marx Actually, it would be more like The free to play mercs are being exploited the opressive system where the organized capital in form of alliances and corporations, use the hardwork of mercs for their own benefit, enjoying the surplus adquired without effort. And that-¦s pretty much correct =p (As if my 200k isk at the end of a match is the equivalent of what the Space lords are getting with al lthat the planet produces)
knight of 6 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 110	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:01:00 - [37] - Quote scratches head "pay to win" and "pay to get ahead" are rather different... in a pay to win scenario there is no way to beat/get ahead of someone who pays. in a pay to get ahead scenario it just takes more time to get comparable gear to those who pay but is entirely possible. also when you get AUR weapons they take less skill and are worst than the standard gear of that type (STD,ADV,PRO)
Skipper Jones ZionTCD Legacy Rising 27	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:02:00 - [38] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Skipper Jones wrote: There is no aurum item that gives a DEFINITE advantage over some one who pays with isk. I have not put a single penny into this game and I have no problem with being competitive with the people who use boosters or use a "get it faster item". The skill cap balances out the people who use boosters, the aurum weapons are the same weapons as the higher tier one, you just get them faster. The game isn't pay to win. So 2 teams of newbies. one with kitted out aurum gear, one with miltia. Who wins? Well let's break it down. Miltia vs standard dropsuit: standard dropsuit provides with an extra module slot and some more pg. No health advantages Militia ar vs standard ar: same damage, acurracy, and rof. Standard has 60 bullets, miltia has 48 and a .5 second slower reload time. Milita modules vs standard modules: same bonuses different pg and cpu output. I see no GAME CHANGING advantages except the kill feed looking different.
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 17	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:03:00 - [39] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Edit: i didnt reasearch on this, but it does turn out its not even coming this patch... [bummer] So player market isn't coming any time soon (Dust 514 is Pay to Win?) Aurum. Nothing wrong with this. But boosters give users a bigger return on their games, SP wise, Which in the long run is pay to win becuase better gear is affordable faster. Better gear = wins. You clearly don-¦t play EVE. No ammount of SP will solve stupidity and lack of skill. No i dont. Stupidity that can be judged by yourself. Skill, if you have never played with me move along i would sit you
Temba Fusrodah Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru 1	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:07:00 - [40] - Quote Hmmm I wonder how the "This is not a pay to play " crowd or going to react when full integration occurs and the EVE billionaires buy and or build the best guns/ gear to counter your superior strategy and tactics. Warfare is by it's very definition unfair, so I do not expect a game put out by the CCP boys to be all honey and flowers ..... they are from Iceland .... you the neighborhood that brought you the Vikings .... lol!

Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:09:00 - [41] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Edit: i didnt reasearch on this, but it does turn out its not even coming this patch... [bummer] So player market isn't coming any time soon (Dust 514 is Pay to Win?) Aurum. Nothing wrong with this. But boosters give users a bigger return on their games, SP wise, Which in the long run is pay to win becuase better gear is affordable faster. Better gear = wins. You clearly don-¦t play EVE. No ammount of SP will solve stupidity and lack of skill. No i dont. Stupidity that can be judged by yourself. Skill, if you have never played with me move along i would sit you If you saw the examples, you would see that it refutes your initial argument, for the logic is the same. Better gear, better SP, doesn-¦t replace skill. Take a maxed SP char and put it in the hands of a new player, and a veteran with milita will probably win. And in case you have as much skill as you-¦re saying, you-¦re not going to have any problem with unskilled but piimped players. It was not an ad hominem, and not an offense to you, so just chill and save it for somebody else.
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 17	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:13:00 - [42] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Edit: i didnt reasearch on this, but it does turn out its not even coming this patch... [bummer] So player market isn't coming any time soon (Dust 514 is Pay to Win?) Aurum. Nothing wrong with this. But boosters give users a bigger return on their games, SP wise, Which in the long run is pay to win becuase better gear is affordable faster. Better gear = wins. You clearly don-¦t play EVE. No ammount of SP will solve stupidity and lack of skill. No i dont. Stupidity that can be judged by yourself. Skill, if you have never played with me move along i would sit you If you saw the examples, you would see that it refutes your initial argument, for the logic is the same. Better gear, better SP, doesn-¦t replace skill. Take a maxed SP char and put it in the hands of a new player, and a veteran with milita will probably win. And in case you have as much skill as you-¦re saying, you-¦re not going to have any problem with unskilled but piimped players. It was not an ad hominem, and not an offense to you, so just chill and save it for somebody else. How can anyone chill with this community.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 768	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:14:00 - [43] - Quote I have yet to pay a dime, I do fairly well and enjoy the game very much, did I mention that I have yet to pay a dime? If I'm not paying then what right do I have to complain if other people get faster access to better gear?
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 192	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:19:00 - [44] - Quote slap26 wrote: aurum helps you get ahead, but once you max out a skill set you max out a skill set. Some people just can't comprehend this. It's a fact.
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 17	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:19:00 - [45] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: I have yet to pay a dime, I do fairly well and enjoy the game very much, did I mention that I have yet to pay a dime? If I'm not paying then what right do I have to complain if other people get faster access to better gear? Im on 4mil Sp, someone who would have played around the same time as me with boosters could have up to 6 mil, how can i compete with that.
Temba Fusrodah Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru 1	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:20:00 - [46] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: I have yet to pay a dime, I do fairly well and enjoy the game very much, did I mention that I have yet to pay a dime? If I'm not paying then what right do I have to complain if other people get faster access to better gear? To follow your logic to it's conclusion ..... if you don't pay a dime what right do you have to get into a conversation with those who are paying? Just a thought, I have no problem with CCP making this game easily accessible for any player and having paid for perks available to those willing to support their business model. I bought a PS3 to play this game so go figure, to many that makes me a chump, but it was my choice because I liked the idea of expanding the EVE universe.
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 17	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:21:00 - [47] - Quote Sylvana Nightwind wrote: slap26 wrote: aurum helps you get ahead, but once you max out a skill set you max out a skill set. Some people just can't comprehend this. It's a fact. Maxing out takes a **** load of time without boosters
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 193	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:29:00 - [48] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Sylvana Nightwind wrote: slap26 wrote: aurum helps you get ahead, but once you max out a skill set you max out a skill set. Some people just can't comprehend this. It's a fact. Maxing out takes a **** load of time without boosters So your argument is "I don't want to pay for quicker maxing out but I'm lazy to actually play game the regular way so this is pay to win game wah wah"? League of Legends has been doing this for years and not a single player claimed it is pay to win. Once you are maxed you are maxed and you are competitive on both ISK and AUR ground equally. Stop beating this horse please.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:29:00 - [49] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Sylvana Nightwind wrote: slap26 wrote: aurum helps you get ahead, but once you max out a skill set you max out a skill set. Some people just can't comprehend this. It's a fact. Maxing out takes a **** load of time without boosters Going to another country by plane is a lot faster, and yet, some people use boats. Your point ?
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 17	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:34:00 - [50] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Sylvana Nightwind wrote: slap26 wrote: aurum helps you get ahead, but once you max out a skill set you max out a skill set. Some people just can't comprehend this. It's a fact. Maxing out takes a **** load of time without boosters Going to another country by plane is a lot faster, and yet, some people use boats. Your point ? boats arnt free

Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 17	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:36:00 - [51] - Quote Sylvana Nightwind wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Sylvana Nightwind wrote: slap26 wrote: aurum helps you get ahead, but once you max out a skill set you max out a skill set. Some people just can't comprehend this. It's a fact. Maxing out takes a **** load of time without boosters So your argument is "I don't want to pay for quicker maxing out but I'm lazy to actually play game the regular way so this is pay to win game wah wah"? League of Legends has been doing this for years and not a single player claimed it is pay to win. Once you are maxed you are maxed and you are competitive on both ISK and AUR ground equally. Stop beating this horse please. I dont like justifying myself to people like you but clearly you see what you want to.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:38:00 - [52] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Sylvana Nightwind wrote: slap26 wrote: aurum helps you get ahead, but once you max out a skill set you max out a skill set. Some people just can't comprehend this. It's a fact. Maxing out takes a **** load of time without boosters Going to another country by plane is a lot faster, and yet, some people use boats. Your point ? boats arnt free Walking is.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:42:00 - [53] - Quote Sylvana Nightwind wrote: Once you are maxed you are maxed and you are competitive on both ISK and AUR ground equally. Stop beating this horse please. You are competitive even while you-¦re NOT maxed out, just to remember. Personal Skill > Equip / SP
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 17	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:43:00 - [54] - Quote across water, jesus
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 193	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:43:00 - [55] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Sylvana Nightwind wrote: Once you are maxed you are maxed and you are competitive on both ISK and AUR ground equally. Stop beating this horse please. You are competitive even while you-¦re NOT maxed out, just to remember. Personal Skill > Equip / SP True.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:46:00 - [56] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: across water, jesus Since you clearly don-¦t check the references and isn-¦t interested/able to make an effort to comprehend what is being said, so then you can refute the argumentation, have fun with the game, and if you don-¦t, the door is that direction. ----------->
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 17	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:49:00 - [57] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Twisted202 wrote: across water, jesus Since you clearly don-¦t check the references and isn-¦t interested/able to make an effort to comprehend what is being said, so then you can refute the argumentation, have fun with the game, and if you don-¦t, the door is that direction. -----------> i probabley have more fun than you, you clearly did not see i was being sarcastic. im not getting into small arguments like that
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 769	Posted - 2013.04.07 03:05:00 - [58] - Quote Temba Fusrodah wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: I have yet to pay a dime, I do fairly well and enjoy the game very much, did I mention that I have yet to pay a dime? If I'm not paying then what right do I have to complain if other people get faster access to better gear? To follow your logic to it's conclusion ..... if you don't pay a dime what right do you have to get into a conversation with those who are paying? Because nothings stopping me I suppose you could say nothings stopping him from complaining, but that doesn't mean CCP has to change their business model just for him.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 253	Posted - 2013.04.07 03:11:00 - [59] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: When you have AUR items that outperform it's ISK variants, it's P2W. Not True. Only if you can't get the same item with ISK. At the moment, I believe one or possible two items fit that description, and even those will be available via ISK once the player market is in.
Temba Fusrodah Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru 1	Posted - 2013.04.07 03:16:00 - [60] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Temba Fusrodah wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: I have yet to pay a dime, I do fairly well and enjoy the game very much, did I mention that I have yet to pay a dime? If I'm not paying then what right do I have to complain if other people get faster access to better gear? To follow your logic to it's conclusion ..... if you don't pay a dime what right do you have to get into a conversation with those who are paying? Because nothings stopping me I suppose you could say nothings stopping him from complaining, but that doesn't mean CCP has to change their business model just for him. Using only part of the quote makes you seem intellectually uncourageous, the game is what it is and imho people need to whine less about who is paying for an advantage. NEWS FLASH that is how the world works, get over it and find a way to get the best advantage for yourself!



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