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Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.04.07 01:05:00 -
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Twisted202 wrote:Aurum. Nothing wrong with this. But boosters give users a bigger return on their games, SP wise, Which in the long run it pay to win becuase better gear is affordable faster. Better gear = wins. Boosters will be available on the market for ISK. So no,this game is not P2W. |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.04.07 01:23:00 -
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Twisted202 wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:Twisted202 wrote:Aurum. Nothing wrong with this. But boosters give users a bigger return on their games, SP wise, Which in the long run it pay to win becuase better gear is affordable faster. Better gear = wins. Boosters will be available on the market for ISK. So no,this game is not P2W. Right now are they. No. so it is pay to win. Ok, I really want to know what your point is? I'm just getting sick and tired of this same stupid crap filling up the forums. What do you want CCP to do about it? The game isn't finished. Seriously, what is the point you are trying to convey? "The game is incomplete and a certain thing is currently unbalanced but CCP knows about it and a major feature that will be included in the game will fix it."
I'm really curious as to what point you are trying to make and more importantly what you reasonably expect to be done to address it. |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.04.07 01:34:00 -
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DigiOps wrote:Skipper Jones pretty much hit the nail straight on the head. And yet the fact that the market is coming, and when it gets here all these AUR items will be available for ISK seems completely irrelevant to everyone. |
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Posted - 2013.04.07 01:37:00 -
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Twisted202 wrote:Skipper Jones wrote:There is no aurum item that gives a DEFINITE advantage over some one who pays with isk. I have not put a single penny into this game and I have no problem with being competitive with the people who use boosters or use a "get it faster item". The skill cap balances out the people who use boosters, the aurum weapons are the same weapons as the higher tier one, you just get them faster. The game isn't pay to win. So 2 teams of newbies. one with kitted out aurum gear, one with miltia. Who wins? "Kitted out AUR gear" meaning one level above the militia gear right? So type-1 Assault, Blindfire Rifle and advanced mods without any bonuses you would get from the skills? |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.04.07 01:55:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Everyone is so mean here.
Stop giving these bullshit answers like "you get it faster, that's not pay to win" or "aurum doesn't buy a better gun"
The truth is that players that have boosters will ALWAYS have an advantage over players without boosters. HOWEVER, players with a lot of skill points will ALWAYS have an advantage over players with less.
This is the reality of this game, and people need to accept it.
As one of the so called "proto fags", I can say that most of my kills come from militia suits, and not from other players my skill level.
The other reality is that anyone can kill anyone if they're using the right tool. Even the distinct advantage from more skill points can be countered with the right suit fitting. I'm really hoping "You will be able to buy it from the market for ISK so all of this garbage is completely irrelevant" isn't one of those bullshit answers. |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.04.07 04:37:00 -
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snipper doo wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:If you don't like it don't play, this is how free games work and no one is forcing you to pay or play for that matter. One of the stupidest things i've read right there. thanks for the laugh. Ccp 'not p2w' Op 'it is p2w' You 'it is p2w but gtfo if you don't like it' Hahahahahaha you kitten Once the market is up this won't be an issue any more, so don't think CCP lied or mislead anybody.
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Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.04.07 12:49:00 -
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Deskalkulos Ildigan wrote:Imho questions like "is Dust p2w?" can't be answered until the game comes out. It is a bit like trotting in place. You are getting all fired up but actually going nowhere. There are still many features being developed that have to yet be implemented, including Planetary conquest (which comes next build), semi random map generation based on heightmaps from planets in eve (it was said, that this is the way maps will be generated, right? might be wrong though), Pve modes, Player market and so on and so forth. Once they say "we are out of beta" it should be of more use to argue over P2W or not P2W. . . Pretty much this. And since all those AUR items will be available for ISK it will be a short argument. |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.04.08 03:43:00 -
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Llael Harkness wrote:SP boosters and universal communicator, I don't have a problem with. Why? 1 - Universal commo - Yes, CCP has to make some money. No biggie The voice chat software is licensed from another company so UVT's are there to offset this cost, not really as a source of profit for CCP.
Quote: 2 - SP boosters - Systems are in place to match you (mostly) against players with similar total SPs. I don't gripe about getting pasted when I'm playing with combat monsters with 6 times my SPs, as long as when I'm playing against people of a similar SP total, they can't pay MONEY to be using gear that is otherwise above their skill level. That is P2W, and it pisses me off. Plenty of other ways CCP could make money off of aurum, like oh say... blueprints! What an idea! CCP doesn't even have to make them permanent; I wouldn't mind being able to shell out 20000 aurum for an advanced battlesuit BPO that would give me, oh, say 500 copies of a suit I can already use. The key words are the last 4; "that I can already use." That's allowing me to supplement my ISK with cold hard cash if I choose to, not letting me brute about in gear more advanced than I should be able to use just because I'm some brat spending Daddy's cash or some yuppie drone with no life and nothing better to do with me life.
Honestly AUR items are only useful for trying stuff out before investing the SP. Most of the time they're not enough of an improvement to make it worthwhile. The boosters are different obviously, but again once you can buy them for ISK everything will be equal. Might **** you off now but that's not how CCP intends the game to be but at the moment there's nothing they can do about it.
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Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.04.08 04:51:00 -
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I'll never stop. These are the most entertaining threads because they are the most likely to be filled with people that have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.04.08 10:38:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Yeva Kalsani wrote:There are no AUR-weapons or other exclusive items/vehicles bought with real money that are statistically superior to the ISK variants (you only get to use them with less SP investment, so again, the ISK variants only take more time to use), so again, this is not P2W. While there are no AUR items with directly-applicable benefits, there are some which have better fitting stats than the ISK equivalent. Those are arguably pay-to-win, and in many cases when something like that has been pointed out, CCP have either removed the item or adjusted the stats to be in line with the ISK version. It's not "Pay to Win" and much as it is "a mistake". Semantics is an important part of any argument. I see something that is "broken" implying it will be fixed. But when you call it "P2W" aren't you implying that it was intentional game design? I understand it may technically be that but even then all you're saying is "broken thing is broken", right?
The damage mods and shield regulator are an exception as they were overlooked when the rest of those type items (which actually were P2W) were removed. I'm sure CCP will fix that whenever they get a chance. And currently the only broken item I can think of is the Tsunami Mass Driver, since it has basic fitting but advanced damage. |
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