If they're going to do that then they better place a reload speed after two explosives from the mass driver. Or, maybe they should slow the ROF of blasters and large railgun turrets. Or, maybe they should increase the pulse cooldown for hardeners to 1 minute and lower the pulse to a 5 sec duration.

AV homing has been in the game for how long now? Homing is what makes the AV grenade....an AV grenade! Because locus and flux grenades all does damage to vehicles as well.

I am not a tanker. I'm a Heavy. And AV nades carried by all members in a squad is indeed a replacement for main AV weapons.

"Now this guy gets it...."

I'm reading people talking about players destroying $1M tanks with 24K sp into grenades. LOL, really?

Grenadier skill is a 4x multiplier. It cost twice as much to get proto grenades as it does to get a proto forge gun or proto swarm launcher. If you got solo'ed by packed AV grenades with a souped tank, then you're a derp and you shouldn't blame the game mechanics for your bad tanking.

Guys are talking about packed AV grenades destroying $2M tanks.....You know how many grenades it will take for a packed Lai Dai to destroy a sagaris or surya? A sagaris or surya will laugh at level 2 packed AV grenades.

Ppl complain and QQ about tanks sitting in the redzone yet u want to take away their defensive abilities more and wonder WHY alot of tankers sit in the gayest spots far away then QQ about it. When tanks were actually tanks and could take some hits u never had all this gay hill campin an **** u had ppl moving and supporting infantry but god forbid 1 guy cant solo a tank and cries about it enough to get it where we at today then they complain when they get sniped from the redline from a tank they now have no chance to reach so yea GG community.

i love when ppl with 0 knowledge on vehicle vs vehicle/AV play talk like this.

1. takes 2 swarm volleys to down an armor tank without any hardeners active
2. rails overheat after 3 shots, the rof is 2.2 secs per shot about the same as a FG, lol @ blaster suggestion
3. MD is fine for the most part u rarely see them, why are u comparing MD to an AV nade in an AV vs Vehicle discussion?
4. AV homing is ez mode same as Swarms, if u think tankin is that easy then take it out for a spin get in some tank v tank fights

So as u can see dubbs ur suggestions are extremely terrible and its coming from an AR Assault bias pov and not from an overall game balance pov.

Swarms need to maintain a lock but naturally the speed of the rockets will be a bit faster and possibly a slight dmg increase to compensate. Check Noc's post on it.

Shield Hardeners are complete joke atm and need a buff
Armor Hardeners are fine, slower tank that is meant more for defensive capabilities and ability to stay in a hotzone for a while

Even with hardeners on it doesnt give u much "tankin" ability as well. Maybe nubs should realise that the free/militia grade AV is garbage and stop using it?

Ppl complain and QQ about tanks sitting in the redzone yet u want to take away their defensive abilities more and wonder WHY alot of tankers sit in the gayest spots far away then QQ about it. When tanks were actually tanks and could take some hits u never had all this gay hill campin an **** u had ppl moving and supporting infantry but god forbid 1 guy cant solo a tank and cries about it enough to get it where we at today then they complain when they get sniped from the redline from a tank they now have no chance to reach so yea GG community.

The only one appealing for rules changes in this thread is you and your cohort. You're the one who wants to take away your adversary's abilities to keep you in check. And not just small damage value tweaks, you want to completely redesign the way two of the three primary anti-vehicle weapons work.

u do know there is not much different between standard and marauder tanks right?
also AV nades do more dmg to armor tanks so its actually very easy to take armor tanks down with some AV nade spam, shield tanks take less dmg to explosive dmg so common sense would tell ppl use flux and see how quick u can get some shields down but alas flux takes some skill to use since it doesnt auto lock on the vehicle so ppl dont use it as much as they should on shield tanks

Do you run tanks ? No. Than stop writing non-sense comments.

Do you run tanks ? No. Than stop writing non-sense comments.
I do run both tanks in my main and AV in my alt and with AV nades its pretty easy to spam and kill the tank since you dont need to aim, you just throw and it deals ridiculous damage.

The only one appealing for rules changes in this thread is you and your cohort. You're the one who wants to take away your adversary's abilities to keep you in check. And not just small damage value tweaks, you want to completely redesign the way two of the three primary anti-vehicle weapons work.

I was using the hypothetical "you". I know you don't run tanks, but you're defending their terrible arguments, and I'm not quire sure why.

Anyway, I'm sure you're right. Now that AV grenades exist, I'm sure you've never brought out your forge gun to fire on any enemy vehicle from range. Why would you when you can just walk right up to a Sagaris and take it out with a few AV grenades risk free?

It wasn't the tanks but the missiles that were OP and needed a nerf. Nerf happened...

What you see now are tankers complaining about AV equipment and infantry defending their AV counters.

Tanks are a crutch.....since you want to go there.

There isn't a feature in the game that someone wouldn't cry "crutch" about.

Hands up those who can remember the days when AV nades didn't have the homing feature?

Hands up those who thought it was awesome when CCP announced they'd put it in?

Hands up those who remember *why* CCP put it in in the first place?

Oh right. Not too many people. CCP put in the homing because people were running around with AV nades (me included) as a multi-purpose grenade. They did so much damage that the normal AP grenades were pretty much useless in comparison. They didn't only go off near a vehicle, they went off where you threw them, so people were using them as normal grenades aswell.

CCP's answer was to make them explode upon impact on vehicles. It didn't need a buff or a nerf to damage. It's fine in its current state. It also makes sense that an AV nade would be attracted to a vehicle, to cause maximum damage.

If you cannot hit a HAV which is a ******* massive target without needing help from a gimmick mechanic then go biomass yourself now

It's actually difficult to do that without the homing. "I threw a grenade and it landed about an inch away from the tank, but it didn't blow up. I couldn't get closer because if I popped out of cover too long, I would have died." That's a scenario I face quite often. The cover part, not the grenade not exploding.

The lore is that the AV grenade arms itself when it comes close to a vehicle, and then homes in on it. It works fine at the moment.

I will never agree with the mechanism

It makes it far too easy to cause damage to tanks with little risk

I have infantry hiding somewhere where i cannot hit in a million years and they just spam them from cover and it looks like the nades are nowhere near my tank then it seeks and hits me

The seeking distance is huge it seems

It's really not - only a couple of metres. And that's why you have infantry support. Tanks aren't meant to lone wolf it. Infantry supports the tanks, and tanks support the infantry. Your infantry should have run in and either flushed them out or taken them out.

It's really not - only a couple of metres. And that's why you have infantry support. Tanks aren't meant to lone wolf it. Infantry supports the tanks, and tanks support the infantry. Your infantry should have run in and either flushed them out or taken them out.

Couple of metres lolno

More like 10m

AV nades are so easy to use and quick aswell, infantry can be sent in but if that tank is ther just keep lobbing nades because it will die at the rate you can spam them

The tank can just...back up a bit. Why is it still just sitting there after one nade throw?

Couple of metres lolno

More like 10m

AV nades are so easy to use and quick aswell, infantry can be sent in but if that tank is ther just keep lobbing nades because it will die at the rate you can spam them