Glass Cannon tank.

I went too far out of the redline

Sure...I wouldn't have a problem with that. But if they place an infantry only mode...even in hisec instant battle games, then that'll be fine. So, if you're tired of seeing vehicles, then you can jump in an instant battle infantry-only mode

AV nades - need the seeking feature removed from it, its a crutch

Swarms - should have to maintain lock on to hit target instead of fire and forget

Please quit this game. How are you gonna whine and flood the place with your salty tears about how 2 guys smashed you beneath their boot like the ant you are than go off and say glass cannon tank. Get good.

Then they will be used as super infantry grenade, like how they were back in e3.

AV nades - need the seeking feature removed from it, its a crutch

Swarms - should have to maintain lock on to hit target instead of fire and forget

Then everybody will say that Tanks are OP. And will get nerfed. The beautiful cycle continues

Lol.

He's not crying he is bringing up a valid point.
My shield tank only has 5000 shield, but i like it that way. Allows more room for rez and such. AV is OP, you shouldn't be able to take out 400-900k ISK in about 4 seconds by throwing a few homing grenades that cost like 24k SP to get. My tank friggin costs i'd guess 2 million Skill points to make, my Marauders take alot more then that to unlock everything i have on them.

Tanks are doomed, as more and more people unlock advanced and proto AV gear the number of people who can afford to drop a tank will diminish and you'll only ever see them in district/corp battles, probably working as intended i suppose but i'll miss fighting other tankers in pub matches.

5k shields is weaksauce. my 9k330 tear extracter + a flux will **** 5k in seconds. That aside anyone running armor tanks, my alt included, DESERVES to be taken out ASAP. Why? Because currently all the AV in this game is armor AV only the tear extracter and flux do 100% against shields.

if you get 5K in shields taken out by MLT swarms, which do 90% dmg, you blow


GG

See the whole point is, im not a ****** i don't run 5000 shield with nothing else on it. If you can solo me with flux nades and a 9k330 forge gun i give you props because i can almost guarentee you won't be able to (:

That said im not laying out my entire tank build for everyone, so stop judging tankers and builds by single statistics.

AV nades - need the seeking feature removed from it, its a crutch

Swarms - should have to maintain lock on to hit target instead of fire and forget

this guy gets it

i dont mind the AV nade lock on that much BUT it needs tweakin cuz how fast u can spam it is ********
to avoid spam cooking it for 2secs should enable the homing function, quick toss no homing

Quoted to reinforce that tank drivers will never be happy until they are invincible. Actually, not just "unhappy". They will never stop whining and QQing until they are invincible.

These are the kind of people the anti-AV squad are fighting for. Is this the "balance" you're looking for?



You choose to compliment this rambling, nonsensical rant? Yikes.

Splitting the community and putting up rails to some saying you can't go here because of the way you spent your sp is never a good idea.

AV nades - need the seeking feature removed from it, its a crutch

Swarms - should have to maintain lock on to hit target instead of fire and forget

I like this idea. They could also make Homing variants that do less damage and have a slower throwing speed.

Let me translate then. AV nades are a secondary weapon that can be used as a main weapon against very large and expensive toys. This takes away from the necessity or even value of the Forge or Swarm. I.E. could just make it a must that all members need EX-08 AV nades in CB - effectively stopping any tank push with our strong gun game to support it. And it would cost our members next to nothing to set it up ISK and SP wise. That stuff about throwing is mostly untrue - but the homing - even reduced - has made sure my accuracy on throw is almost 100%. When games get larger with more people AV nades are going to show increase effectiveness as more people are able to throw in unison. The only balance to this so far is AV nades suck vs shield.

And AV grenades are useless against anything but vehicles.
And they take PG and CPU that could be used to fit better modules.
And you have to be close enough to throw a grenade near the target.

AV grenades are not a substitute for swarms or forge guns. They are a backup primarily useful against LAVs.

If you get a squad who are all holding AV grenades within throwing range of a tank, and if that tank is unescorted by infantry, and if the tank has no line of retreat, then you will destroy the tank. This does happen, but eight times out of ten, it's because the tank driver put himself in a vulnerable position or the squad decided to suicide bum rush the tank and managed to get behind it without being noticed.

This AV homing vs. not homing argument is a distraction. The tank drivers who want AV nerfed want to be able to waltz around the battlefield with no threats whatsoever because they've convinced themselves that their 2,000,000 ISK tank shouldn't be destroyed by anything other than another 2,000,000 ISK tank.

That isn't the way things work in real life, and it's not the way things work here. If you can't deal with that, then the solution is to stop using tanks, not appeal for rule changes in your favor.

And AV grenades are useless against anything but vehicles.
And they take PG and CPU that could be used to fit better modules.
And you have to be close enough to throw a grenade near the target.

AV grenades are not a substitute for swarms or forge guns. They are a backup primarily useful against LAVs.

If you get a squad who are all holding AV grenades within throwing range of a tank, and if that tank is unescorted by infantry, and if the tank has no line of retreat, then you will destroy the tank. This does happen, but eight times out of ten, it's because the tank driver put himself in a vulnerable position or the squad decided to suicide bum rush the tank and managed to get behind it without being noticed.

This AV homing vs. not homing argument is a distraction. The tank drivers who want AV nerfed want to be able to waltz around the battlefield with no threats whatsoever because they've convinced themselves that their 2,000,000 ISK tank shouldn't be destroyed by anything other than another 2,000,000 ISK tank.

That isn't the way things work in real life, and it's not the way things work here. If you can't deal with that, then the solution is to stop using tanks, not appeal for rule changes in your favor.

I am not a tanker. I'm a Heavy. And AV nades carried by all members in a squad is indeed a replacement for main AV weapons.

lol...getting your tank blown by a solo heavy is worse than getting meleed or nova knived by a heavy