Do you understand what the word "exactly" means? I hope you do. The point you're completely ignoring, and I guess I have to say again word for word, "The answer is there is no exact amount, and it will never be enough. Tank drivers will always whine about AV grenades because that's something that works. They will continue to whine as long as AV grenades are at all effective."



I was wondering how long it would take for someone to make a comparison to real life, as if "balance" between weapon systems is something that exists anywhere other than a video game.

But fine, I'll bite. Have you ever heard of a land mine? Have you ever heard of an improvised explosive device? Light, cheap weapons destroy big, heavy expensive weapons all the time. Your argument is that a grenade should not be able to destroy a tank because it weighs less?

SoTaPoP, here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about and the caliber of minds with which you're choosing to align yourself.

But I still want the homing gone. HAV is all ppl talk about - but I think of LAV when I say it. Notice the lack of LAV drivers. It's a moving tomb

If people actually put SP into LAVs, particularly shield LAVs, it wouldnt be like this though. The few people that actually have points in LAVs really surprise me when I chuck an AV at them and they still run me over with half or quarter shield left. People cant call in a free LAV without modifying it at all and expect to live through a packed AV.

lol, I know a few LAV guys, but they'll tell you first hand how easy it is to blow them up. May take an extra nade but you have 3. Takes quiet a bit of SP and ISK to get a decent LAV fit - takes nothing to kill it almost lol.

Tanks are fine

Swarms are fine

Forge guns are fine

AV grenades too

As an AV guy, I can say that there have been MANY tanks I could not destroy. There have also been MANY I have destroyed in a couple seconds. No more complaining

lmao. Real life doesn't imply to this game, indeed. He should of said, however, that explosives aimed at taking out tanks do so by aiming at certan parts of the tanks - depending on the type. Most would have weakness below there tracks - mine takes care of mobility and makes a tank worthless, while a nade would be tossed as closely underneath the tracks as possible so the explosionwould be greater against the armor and floor, creating greater pressure to tear through tracks and other weak points.. we have nothing like that in dust, instead we have the RPG element of dmg vs consequence. And it's by that idea I call AV nades imbalance. the consequence compared to effect doesn't match up like most other gears do.

I could supply one side of a CB with the best AV nades in the game by myself if they could use it - a single tank would probably cost more then that entire expense. My side wouldn't even need to grind very much to be able to use the nade - maybe a singe day. Tankers on the other hand spend months gathering the SP to be effective.

And thanks for your compliment btw

*Looks at his HMG* I don't need another weapon besides this puppy and a side arm. I throw AV nades at people btw. They tend to run - right into my HMG lol

What's with it? You choose to play infantry if you don't want to deal with tanks. Or, you choose to play regular when it doesn't matter or want something different.

lol, I know a few LAV guys, but they'll tell you first hand how easy it is to blow them up. May take an extra nade but you have 3. Takes quiet a bit of SP and ISK to get a decent LAV fit - takes nothing to kill it almost lol.

that should only matter in hisec instant battle games
uncapped grps in FW and PC should be everything allowed

if there is Ambush in FW then it should be OMS and not vanilla

that's MY tactic!!!!

If people actually put SP into LAVs, particularly shield LAVs, it wouldnt be like this though. The few people that actually have points in LAVs really surprise me when I chuck an AV at them and they still run me over with half or quarter shield left. People cant call in a free LAV without modifying it at all and expect to live through a packed AV.

So there's no consequence when you bring AV nades?

Tell me again how effective your AV Grenades are against infantry...

Thank you for bringing that bit up. My buddy fits AVs and dies all the time without throwing a single one. Sometimes I remind him to blow up an empty LAV just to get out a few extra WP. He prefers Locus more but with all the roadkill happy psychos out there you almost need to keep AVs handy.


Aside if a tank is lingering within grenade toss range then he's doing something wrong.

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Okay... so if your friend uses AV nades he gets killed quick - but he's fine with locus? didn't realize aesthetics changed everything so much - or people could tell what nades you have in your pack...
unless your saying he's so bad he needs nades to be competitive.

My tank got 1392 shields and 9925 armor and freaking infantry can still destroy it.

AV Grenades are OP as they stand atm. AV Nades should be a Supplement.......not a GoTo as it devalues the Main AV Weapons. & the Range & Homing is obscene. Try jumping before a toss, & even w/o jumping you can 1/4 Map toss on most Ambush Maps. Bowl??? 1/2 to 2/3 Map tosses w/o jumping. Mind you this is Packed AV........god forbid I try tossing Sleeks, lol. Damage needs a Nerf for obvious reasons. When Damage Mods get fixed (If........) the Forges & Swarms will be ineffective compared to the George Foreman Grill of AV which never had nor needed Mods to rival most Main AV Weapons. Why not be both Infantry & AV Efficient @ all times??? Spec AV??? LOL!!!!!!! Save SP, spec Nades, WIN.

^ He gets it.

AV Grenades are OP as they stand atm. AV Nades should be a Supplement.......not a GoTo as it devalues the Main AV Weapons. & the Range & Homing is obscene. Try jumping before a toss, & even w/o jumping you can 1/4 Map toss on most Ambush Maps. Bowl??? 1/2 to 2/3 Map tosses w/o jumping. Mind you this is Packed AV........god forbid I try tossing Sleeks, lol. Damage needs a Nerf for obvious reasons. When Damage Mods get fixed (If........) the Forges & Swarms will be ineffective compared to the George Foreman Grill of AV which never had nor needed Mods to rival most Main AV Weapons. Why not be both Infantry & AV Efficient @ all times??? Spec AV??? LOL!!!!!!! Save SP, spec Nades, WIN.

What a nonsense post right there. Everything in that post is bull****
Don't know why you won't classify AV grenades as a "main AV weapon" when they are the only AV weapon with "AV" in their title.

Tanks are fine

Swarms are fine

Forge guns are fine

AV grenades too

As an AV guy, I can say that there have been MANY tanks I could not destroy. There have also been MANY I have destroyed in a couple seconds. No more complaining

My tank got 1392 shields and 9925 armor and freaking infantry can still destroy it.