4000 shields for 400 k, wtf are you doing wrong?

My tank that had 4k in Shields, was taken down by two players carrying only Flux and AV Nades, no Proto gear.

So, basically, this gets rid of the whole, "You need a squad full of people specced into AV to take out a tank" arguement that Infantry players always fall back on.

My tank cost 400k ISK, how much did you say their fittings cost? Hardly over 30k ISK.

So, yeah, you Infantry players can keep crying. Until you stop crying and learn how to deal with tanks, you're never going to be able destroy one.

All that time spent complaining on the forums wanting tanks nerfed could be spent using your brain to deal with them.

Tanks are fine

Swarms are fine

Forge guns are fine

AV grenades too

As an AV guy, I can say that there have been MANY tanks I could not destroy. There have also been MANY I have destroyed in a couple seconds. No more complaining

Tanks are fine

Swarms are fine

Forge guns are fine

AV grenades too

As an AV guy, I can say that there have been MANY tanks I could not destroy. There have also been MANY I have destroyed in a couple seconds. No more complaining

Was there a point to this post besides some biased sentiment that your own roll is fine ?

AV nades either need there own skill progression with higher SP cost or reduced homing. It's not balanced.

It wasn't the tanks but the missiles that were OP and needed a nerf. Nerf happened...tanks are pretty much balanced. Noone credible really argued OP tanks after that.

What you see now are tankers complaining about AV equipment and infantry defending their AV counters.

Your tank sucks first off lol
Secondly I've solo'd tanks with your stats with just ADV AV nades which takes little SP to get. If the idea is EVERY tank needs squad to kill them then the games unbalanced.

But I agree tanks aren't OP. AV Nades are - Nerf homing.

Whats with all the 'Infantry only gamemode' talk and the random nerf on tank resistance and speed modules?

Was there a point to this post besides some biased sentiment that your own roll is fine ?

AV nades either need there own skill progression with higher SP cost or reduced homing. It's not balanced.

It is, there have been many times where I have thrown 3 AV grenades at a tank just to have it's shields go down 40%. Then it goes behind a hill and recharges it's shields. AV grenades are fine, you just need to skill up more

It is, there have been many times where I have thrown 3 AV grenades at a tank just to have it's shields go down 40%. Then it goes behind a hill and recharges it's shields. AV grenades are fine, you just need to skill up more

I'm maxed shield tanked, I have a 8k sagaris, it's sad when militia swarms send you running...5.6 million sp into Hav means nothing now =\

Edit: if you didn't know tanks had there passive resistant nerf Down to less them 8%

Was there a point to this post besides some biased sentiment that your own roll is fine ?

AV nades either need there own skill progression with higher SP cost or reduced homing. It's not balanced.

Can someone dig up that quote by the devs along the lines of, "We don't want equipment to determine encounters. A skilled player with good gear should beat a skilled player with bad gear, but an unskilled player with good gear should not beat a skilled player with bad gear."

The balancing in the game is all about diminishing returns. A militia swarm does 80% of the damange of an advanced swarm by design. You should never be able to say, "Oh, he's just running militia equipment. Nothing to worry about." That would be poor balance.



I would think a more experienced player would have more perspective than this, but I suppose not. Where exactly should the balance be, do you figure? Exactly how much SP should it cost to "balance" AV grenades against tanks? When will the balancing be enough?

The answer is there is no exact amount, and it will never be enough. Tank drivers will always whine about AV grenades because that's something that works. They will continue to whine as long as AV grenades are at all effective.

How about instead of going on and on about nerf this nerf that, you adapt to the tools you have and the tools your enemy has?

Can someone dig up that quote by the devs along the lines of, "We don't want equipment to determine encounters. A skilled player with good gear should beat a skilled player with bad gear, but an unskilled player with good gear should not beat a skilled player with bad gear."

The balancing in the game is all about diminishing returns. A militia swarm does 80% of the damange of an advanced swarm by design. You should never be able to say, "Oh, he's just running militia equipment. Nothing to worry about." That would be poor balance.



I would think a more experienced player would have more perspective than this, but I suppose not. Where exactly should the balance be, do you figure? Exactly how much SP should it cost to "balance" AV grenades against tanks? When will the balancing be enough?

The answer is there is no exact amount, and it will never be enough. Tank drivers will always whine about AV grenades because that's something that works. They will continue to whine as long as AV grenades are at all effective.

How about instead of going on and on about nerf this nerf that, you adapt to the tools you have and the tools your enemy has?

? What? Who says I have problems killing or being a tanker? I've stated several times how it's unbalanced - it's up to you to read. A dumb version would be : Too little SP cost and ISK cost for the hefty effect it has on the largest SP/ISK toys in the game. My perspective is a heavy - the player base who hates the tankers the most. It's almost there - fact that it takes 2 people at least to take down a decent tanker is proof that there's balance.

I want you to run head on to a c-2 leopard and throw a Grenade at it, tell me how it goes

A fuking grenade should do the damage it does to a TANK a 1/4 lb object vs a 120,000 lb tank
I see no balance

Whats with all the 'Infantry only gamemode' talk and the random nerf on tank passive resistance and speed modules?

I want you to run head on to a c-2 leopard and throw a Grenade at it, tell me how it goes

A fuking grenade should do the damage it does to a TANK a 1/4 lb object vs a 120,000 lb tank
I see no balance