I like the idea but I think that 5%, 10%, 15%, 25%, and 35% would be more reasonable just because 50% is an insane amount of resistance.

AR people don't even want the Adv / Proto suits buffed by giving them more slots, and lowering the price on the Proto suits... you REALLY think they not gonna cry about a buff like this?

...Really? Damage reduction is the best way to go? Even though a heavy has the highest amount of EHP in the game? Heavy =/= auto win button.

I can agree that heavies scale badly, but at the same time, introducing damage resistance isn't the way to go. There are other, much better ways to balance heavies.

well the buffs do sounds promising since at the moment going for proto heavy is pointless and they die too fast for a proto suit

Play Scout than tell me Heavies die fast for a scout.

Play Scout than tell me Heavies die fast for a scout.

You mean the weakest class in the game with almost no armor and very small shields can't take out a class thats meant to be a walking anti-infantry suit? Damn, heavies sure are OP.

They strafe faster than heavies can turn, that ALONE is unfair.

Turning buff, slight speed buff, smaller hitbox, a buff to the armor plating modules, a buff to armor at the higher tiers... Anything but a damage reduction. Too much room for abuse.

...Really? Damage reduction is the best way to go? Even though a heavy has the highest amount of EHP in the game? Heavy =/= auto win button.

I can agree that heavies scale badly, but at the same time, introducing damage resistance isn't the way to go. There are other, much better ways to balance heavies.

Edit: There are already armor and shield resists - each weapon does a different amount of damage to shield than to armor. The proposal means a blanket x% decrease of damage to the heavy across the board. It doesn't fit in lore-wise, and it would wreck the balance of the game. It would mean a return of the game to the era when heavies with ARs dominated the game.

Just saying all you guys whine how you die so fast in a gun fight. You have noooo idea what those words even mean.

I play as both Scout and Heavy and I feel like the scout plays roll so much better then the heavy. When I play as Scout I die quickly in pretty much any fight where I don't get the first shot in. Thats how it should be, thats why the scout has a small profile and high speed. However, the Heavy currently isn't strong enough to play its roll as a slow moving death machine from mid to close quarters. As a heavy I shouldn't have to play cautiously as a scout in order to get kills.

Doesn't the uprising thing mention that dropsuit levels will give bonus's as well as unlocking the next tier so maybe they are implementing something like this. And if heavy's had added damage resistance the could become abusable if a logi +triage tool follows them, if the dam res is too high the repair tool might keep them at full armour or atleast make armour drop extremely slowly which would lead to complaints but then again what wont?

I honestly think the system is like most MMOs Rock paper Scissor kinda game play. Assaults lose to Logi, Heavies lose to Assault, Logi loses to Scout, Scout loses to Heavy. That's the way I feel about it. Although all roles can overcome each other.

But that isn't how it should be. Each roll should be able to beat every other roll if the player is using that roll well. A heavy should be able to kill everything as long as its well supported and well covered, an assault roll should be able to kill anything by working together/smart use of equipment/ surprise, A scout should be able to kill anything by using speed and stealth, and a logi should be able to kill anything through teamwork/smart equipment usage.

Everything can kill everything. I seen Heavies kill Assaults all the time.

Numbers: Heavy vk.0 has 650 armor and 100 shield. That gives it a total of 750 hp. I'm not going to go into EHP here, since ARs do more damage to shield than armor, etc.

A damage reduction of 35%.. Actually, let's do 20%. That would give a proto heavy a BASE hp of 900. Let's add armor plates on top of that. Complex armor plates, let's fit two of those. 115hp each, which gives 230hp. Take 20% damage reduction, that comes to a total of 276hp added on TOP of the 900, giving a total hp of 1176hp.

A Duvolle can dish out 47.45 damage per shot with AR Prof V, weap V and a complex damage mod. That would cause resultant heavy to die in just under 2 seconds, not including inherent damage effectiveness against shield/armor. It would be higher, as ARs do 90% to armor.

A heavy with a single complex damage mod would do, with a Boundless HMG, would kill (assuming the assault had about 700hp, complete overestimation) the assault in 0.86 seconds, not including the damage effectiveness. Assuming all bullets hit. Even if just 50% hit, you still kill a proto AR user in less time that it takes for him to kill you.

Your right, A heavy having the advantage one vs one is totally unfair

Your right, A heavy having the advantage one vs one is totally unfair

Even without the damage reduction, you still kill the assault in less time than he takes to kill you. 2 / 1.35 = 1.48 seconds. You still kill the assault 1.7 times faster than he takes to kill you.

Ok so in your whacky world teams should need a squad to battle a heavy? Get real.

If their only using projectile weapons yes, explosive damage and lasers would stil chew through them

Isn't that how it should be considering the Heavies only job is killing things?

If their only using projectile weapons yes, explosive damage and lasers would stil chew through them

There's a heavy in TF2, so the comparison is kind of easy to make. A heavy is best used (with a medic, yes, sure, and invulnerable, walking forward, but if alone...) when trying to hold a position. You let the enemy come to you, rather than you going to the enemy. It means they have less time to react, instead of the other way around, and you can dictate the terms of placement. Just like a machine gun nest. A heavy isn't a mobile heavy weapons platform, it's not a HAV. It isn't supposed to tank god-like levels of damage. One role it SHOULD be used for is suppression, and it works. If I see a heavy firing its HMG in my general direction, I run for cover.

There's a heavy in TF2, so the comparison is kind of easy to make. A heavy is best used (with a medic, yes, sure, and invulnerable, walking forward, but if alone...) when trying to hold a position. You let the enemy come to you, rather than you going to the enemy. It means they have less time to react, instead of the other way around, and you can dictate the terms of placement. Just like a machine gun nest. A heavy isn't a mobile heavy weapons platform, it's not a HAV. It isn't supposed to tank god-like levels of damage. One role it SHOULD be used for is suppression, and it works. If I see a heavy firing its HMG in my general direction, I run for cover.

Lost all credibility. That's an auto "I WIN" button. Teams would consist entirely of heavies, seeing as the only thing capable of taking on a heavy would be another heavy. 16 x heavies > 16 x assaults in your world. Sorry.

Edit: Currently the only things requiring a squad to kill are HAV's (well, the better fit ones, anyway), some of the heavier-tanked dropships, and another squad. One person needing a squad or specialised weapons to take down is ridiculous.

Then whats the point of using a heavy at all? I can do all those things with just a assault rifle or a sniper rifle from a distance.

Nothing breaks up or distracts a well organized firing line like dropping two of their buddies from afar heh.

Heres a little tip from TF2; Shoot the medic first.

Then whats the point of using a heavy at all? I can do all those things with just a assault rifle or a sniper rifle from a distance.

Nothing breaks up or distracts a well organized firing line like dropping two of their buddies from afar heh.

I know but for some silly reason when I follow a friendly heavy into battle and use them as a portable bullet stopper most people still focus on the heavys while I repair them getting triage and guardian points its very rare people will actually seem to think and focus on the logi first most just seem to see big guy big gun = threat smaller guy flinging yellow lighting at bigger guy while hiding = no threat.

Although when I play against people who thing to kill me off first it gets interesting.

Heavies take enough bullets to push through they have enough ammo to give covering fire when pushing objectives. They force enemies to shoot at them and Heavies have so much health it's a losing battle for defense any day. THAT is Heavies role to be support NOT to go around reenacting their favorite future Terminator scene.

It's because there is NO way in hell they can shoot at you and kill you before the Heavy can kill you easily and quickly unchecked.

Too bad heavies don't get war points for suppressive fire.

Too bad heavies don't get war points for suppressive fire.

Too bad that accumulating WP doesn't help your team to win.

What are grenades?

Lol, now I know you're a noob. You are telling me you would try to cook a grenade while a Heavy is shooting at you? Just to ATTEMPT to try to kill the Logi that will not die with just one grenade? You would have to do this twice and the Heavy would have to SUCK not to be able to shoot at you while you are cooking a grenade. If you don't cook it they will just easily jump away from it. Get real man.

So then I guess logis should lose their war points for healing team mates then?

We need isk to buy our suits and if you don't want to see the suit buffed it should at least reward playing the roll better.

Wait I'm the noob and you don't get behind cover to cook and throw grenades? you know one of the three items in the game that don't require line of sight to use? And no, most grenandes won't kill a logi or a heavy in one shot but it will soften them up substantially.

Logi WPs actually help the team to win. They provide ammo, they provide a place to spawn closer to the objectives, they provide healing to damaged units who can then run back into the fight at full health... But just killing someone doesn't particularly help win the game. I've been on the winning team when we've had 10 tickets to the enemy's 50. As an assault, I've hung back at D when the rest of my team were assaulting A, and fended off three enemies trying to cap the point. We then capped A, I died, but they didn't manage to cap D because some of my team arrived in time.

It's not all about WPs, it's not all about isk, it's not all about SP. It's about helping the team win. Frankly, I couldn't care if I died, just as long as I helped the team win. That's why I die so often - I run into situations alone, trying to salvage something from a situation my pub team completely ignored.

The LOGI is BEHIND the heavy not up the HEAVIES ass IF I get around the corner and cook a grenade and IF I hit the heavy AND the Logi whats to say they will both be dumb enough to fall for that trick twice in a row? You are giving these roles no credit you are making them out to be brainless fools just because you would like to be able to run around fearlessly with no worry of being killed by anything short of a platoon.

I've never understood this argument of heavies being "support"... lolwut?

They can't shoot very far, and even if they can, through sharpshooter, they shoot spittballs, and teddybears. So I don't know what kind of support that is. I would rather an AR give that kind of support since he'll actually dmg someone.

Dropping nanohives? o wait, heavies have no equipment slot. Hack objectives? o wait, they're too slow to reach anywhere before anyone.

Defending objectives? o wait, they get put down in a hearbeat to Assault players using proto suits and proto AR's...

So please explain, this support role that people like to throw around.

I've never understood this argument of heavies being "support"... lolwut?

They can't shoot very far, and even if they can, through sharpshooter, they shoot spittballs, and teddybears. So I don't know what kind of support that is. I would rather an AR give that kind of support since he'll actually dmg someone.

Dropping nanohives? o wait, heavies have no equipment slot. Hack objectives? o wait, they're too slow to reach anywhere before anyone.

Defending objectives? o wait, they get put down in a hearbeat to Assault players using proto suits and proto AR's...

So please explain, this support role that people like to throw around.

I was simply stating WHY everybody attacks the Heavy over the Logi. I should be able to 1v1 all roles which is how the game is made. YOU are the one crying that Heavy should = autowin 1v1 nomatter what you face and that is just r3t4rd3d

you know what I'm just going to say it. Heavy totally should be able to 1v1 auto win in close quarters. Thats why he has a giant armor suit and a giant machine gun.

You know what should kill a heavy? literally anything out side of its range, like sniper rifles, forge guns, mass drivers, AR...pretty much anything besides a shot gun should have a hard time killing a heavy in cqc.

Lance, I explained it in a post above. Area consolidation. You send in the light troops first, then you send in the heavy troops to secure. Sort of like in, you know, real war - you don't send in the heavy armor first. You send in the troops to scout out and clear. Any area where a heavy is stationary is a defensible position. If a machine gun starts shooting at you (especially with 400 rounds in the mag) you take cover.

Lance, I explained it in a post above. Area consolidation. You send in the light troops first, then you send in the heavy troops to secure. Sort of like in, you know, real war - you don't send in the heavy armor first. You send in the troops to scout out and clear. Any area where a heavy is stationary is a defensible position. If a machine gun starts shooting at you (especially with 400 rounds in the mag) you take cover.

So you're mad CCP didn't make the suit you chose OP just because you figure it should be? So now you support all these crazy threads trying to get it buffed so can finally be OP? Sounds pretty lame to me.

In a real war there is no "heavy armor" troops, since weapons are at the point that heavy armor is pointless, hence why battleships are made of fibre glass, and most tanks can have their turrets pry'd off with a trenching tool.

Heavy isn't my suit of choice (excluding anti armor situations) and if you looked at my post history I think its pretty clear your second point is false too.

I think someone ran head first into a heavy one to many times. QQ more your tears are sweet.

I am just saying you guys all cry that you should be able to beat all 1v1 you know how dumb that sounds? It is SKILL based if you were better than the guy you would of killed him.

In a real war there is no "heavy armor" troops, since weapons are at the point that heavy armor is pointless, hence why battleships are made of fibre glass, and most tanks can have their turrets pry'd off with a trenching tool.

Heavy infantry can be any infantry with a heavy machine gun. A LMG is easy enough to cart around, but doesn't provide the same oomph as a HMG, which is a heavily defensive tool. You don't take a HMG into battle, you set it up and let the enemy come to you. See WW1, see the Maginot Line, see D-Day, see pretty much any attrition warfare, and you'll see what I mean.

And you're completely wrong about the armor. Look up the Challenger 2 tank, and look up incidents. Only something like two or three have been destroyed, and one was friendly fire.

But the point is that heavies are best suited to area consolidation and suppression of the enemy. You're slow for a reason - you're not meant to charge an enemy defensive line.

So you're saying a guy wearing barely any armor shouldn't be able to literally run circles around a guy carrying a 100 lb gun and a heavy ass armored suit? 2 can play that game.

Then the HMG needs a longer range in order to successfully fulfill the role of area denial.

I would actually love it to death if they made the heavy much slower but gave the HMG a usefully longer range.

Can we get you anything else? Perhaps fireballs that come out your hands for 3k splash dmg and 10k direct hit? JetPack so you can fly above the map raining these fireballs down?

Not true. I get killed by heavies (whilst I'm shooting at them with my AR) at medium range. I get them into about 3/4 armor before I die.

[Stop aiming for the body standing still then ....... aim for the head and DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGGGGGGGEEEE !!!!

You lose, Heavies will never get buff when they are already strong enough.

I beleive CCP has already said that heavies will be getting a buff in uprising, just not said what it was.

I hope they can run twice as fast as a scout, jump over buildings, and their heavy machine gun shoots tracing scrambler rockets that automatically lock on to scouts. [/s]

Heavy infantry can be any infantry with a heavy machine gun. A LMG is easy enough to cart around, but doesn't provide the same oomph as a HMG, which is a heavily defensive tool. You don't take a HMG into battle, you set it up and let the enemy come to you. See WW1, see the Maginot Line, see D-Day, see pretty much any attrition warfare, and you'll see what I mean.

And you're completely wrong about the armor. Look up the Challenger 2 tank, and look up incidents. Only something like two or three have been destroyed, and one was friendly fire.

But the point is that heavies are best suited to area consolidation and suppression of the enemy. You're slow for a reason - you're not meant to charge an enemy defensive line.

Least the threads of you guys whining how under powered you guys are would be 50% shorter if they did this.

Also they should take away the scouts shields, they're only allowed to have scrambler pistols and now when ever they sprint they'll strobe red and green making them extra easy for those mean old heavies to find. [/s[

Personely I don't think scouts should show up on Radar >>;;;;

I agree, the should only show up if they're firing especially with all the scanner stuff thats coming out. The stealth suit should I dunno, be a little more stealthy?

Lol another weak heavy, please read pages 1-3 than come back and ask dumb questions. It is all explained how Heavy is support. It's Heavy role NOT Terminator role.

I keep hearing how Scouts strafe soooooo fast and they out run your bullets all the time.. I say learn to shoot cause I have absolutely XERO problem hitting them.

Comedic support, big guy finally gets to his destination only to have people dancing around him since he can't turn quick enough

Yeah, but suppose it's down to scouts to skill up in stealth

Dont forget the eternally funny heavy gets to destination after all the scouts, assaults and logis have got there to find the fight over and he must now slowly jog across the map again or try his luck with the LAV/RDV combo of doom.

I agree, the should only show up if they're firing especially with all the scanner stuff thats coming out. The stealth suit should I dunno, be a little more stealthy?

Play Scout than tell me Heavies die fast for a scout.

Scout Laser rifle...dead heavy.

Scout Ishukone SMG.....dead heavy.

Scout M.D. Unlicensed Surgeon/Shotgun??.......the dead heavy yells DR. Allcome!!, DR. Allcome!!!....save my lol proto heavy suit!!....DR. Allcome!!

And soon(as in two more weeks) bap!! melee .....dead heavy.

bump because I can :D

The heavy suit will eventually need something to compete at higher levels effectively. As they are now, the proto heavy seems to fall below the effectiveness of the proto assault suit. I do not know what should be done.