Play Scout than tell me Heavies die fast for a scout.

Play Scout than tell me Heavies die fast for a scout.

Just saying all you guys whine how you die so fast in a gun fight. You have noooo idea what those words even mean.

I honestly think the system is like most MMOs Rock paper Scissor kinda game play. Assaults lose to Logi, Heavies lose to Assault, Logi loses to Scout, Scout loses to Heavy. That's the way I feel about it. Although all roles can overcome each other.

Numbers: Heavy vk.0 has 650 armor and 100 shield. That gives it a total of 750 hp. I'm not going to go into EHP here, since ARs do more damage to shield than armor, etc.

A damage reduction of 35%.. Actually, let's do 20%. That would give a proto heavy a BASE hp of 900. Let's add armor plates on top of that. Complex armor plates, let's fit two of those. 115hp each, which gives 230hp. Take 20% damage reduction, that comes to a total of 276hp added on TOP of the 900, giving a total hp of 1176hp.

A Duvolle can dish out 47.45 damage per shot with AR Prof V, weap V and a complex damage mod. That would cause resultant heavy to die in just under 2 seconds, not including inherent damage effectiveness against shield/armor. It would be higher, as ARs do 90% to armor.

A heavy with a single complex damage mod would do, with a Boundless HMG, would kill (assuming the assault had about 700hp, complete overestimation) the assault in 0.86 seconds, not including the damage effectiveness. Assuming all bullets hit. Even if just 50% hit, you still kill a proto AR user in less time that it takes for him to kill you.

Ok so in your whacky world teams should need a squad to battle a heavy? Get real.

Isn't that how it should be considering the Heavies only job is killing things?

There's a heavy in TF2, so the comparison is kind of easy to make. A heavy is best used (with a medic, yes, sure, and invulnerable, walking forward, but if alone...) when trying to hold a position. You let the enemy come to you, rather than you going to the enemy. It means they have less time to react, instead of the other way around, and you can dictate the terms of placement. Just like a machine gun nest. A heavy isn't a mobile heavy weapons platform, it's not a HAV. It isn't supposed to tank god-like levels of damage. One role it SHOULD be used for is suppression, and it works. If I see a heavy firing its HMG in my general direction, I run for cover.

Heres a little tip from TF2; Shoot the medic first.

Heavies take enough bullets to push through they have enough ammo to give covering fire when pushing objectives. They force enemies to shoot at them and Heavies have so much health it's a losing battle for defense any day. THAT is Heavies role to be support NOT to go around reenacting their favorite future Terminator scene.

It's because there is NO way in hell they can shoot at you and kill you before the Heavy can kill you easily and quickly unchecked.

Lol, now I know you're a noob. You are telling me you would try to cook a grenade while a Heavy is shooting at you? Just to ATTEMPT to try to kill the Logi that will not die with just one grenade? You would have to do this twice and the Heavy would have to SUCK not to be able to shoot at you while you are cooking a grenade. If you don't cook it they will just easily jump away from it. Get real man.

I was simply stating WHY everybody attacks the Heavy over the Logi. I should be able to 1v1 all roles which is how the game is made. YOU are the one crying that Heavy should = autowin 1v1 nomatter what you face and that is just r3t4rd3d

Lance, I explained it in a post above. Area consolidation. You send in the light troops first, then you send in the heavy troops to secure. Sort of like in, you know, real war - you don't send in the heavy armor first. You send in the troops to scout out and clear. Any area where a heavy is stationary is a defensible position. If a machine gun starts shooting at you (especially with 400 rounds in the mag) you take cover.

So you're mad CCP didn't make the suit you chose OP just because you figure it should be? So now you support all these crazy threads trying to get it buffed so can finally be OP? Sounds pretty lame to me.

Heavy infantry can be any infantry with a heavy machine gun. A LMG is easy enough to cart around, but doesn't provide the same oomph as a HMG, which is a heavily defensive tool. You don't take a HMG into battle, you set it up and let the enemy come to you. See WW1, see the Maginot Line, see D-Day, see pretty much any attrition warfare, and you'll see what I mean.

And you're completely wrong about the armor. Look up the Challenger 2 tank, and look up incidents. Only something like two or three have been destroyed, and one was friendly fire.

But the point is that heavies are best suited to area consolidation and suppression of the enemy. You're slow for a reason - you're not meant to charge an enemy defensive line.

I beleive CCP has already said that heavies will be getting a buff in uprising, just not said what it was.