CCP has been playing a little dirty lately. They have been dropping in backdoor nerfs that no one knows about. or buffs that are set up to nerf other types of gameplay.

Perfect example is the recent explosive AV buff which has nerfed armor vehicles. No one knew about it coming until one day a unlucky HAV player finds out that swarms are hitting alot harder and the ability to survive is impossible. Another example is dropships have become so slow and fly like they are a 20 ton aircraft. They use to be nimble, quick, and fun. But now it is impossible to outrun swarms unless you equipped a afterburner and even then they are still catching you sometimes.

CCP is destroying their game with these behind the scenes nerfs or buffs to counter other types of game play. They talk about how they want to be involved with the community but they seem to be getting less and less involved. They are choosing there own council and we do not even know if all types of game play will be represented here.

Enough is enough CCP you are slowly destroying your vet and hardcore community that held high expectations for this game. You seem to lack the ability to work with the community well and only listen to inexperienced players problems and fail to get experienced players feedback on the true issues. Then jump on trying to fix things with out getting better community input and let us suffer the back draft of having our game play seriously hurt by your poorly planned out fixes.

Vehicles game play has been slowly getting destroyed and beat out of dust completely because. Why run a tank when the enemy team can all equip AV grenades in a corp battle and effectively deal with any anti-infantr[y hav comes close 8 packed AV grenades will destroy any HAV out there.

You keep thinking the problem with vehicles is that they are to strong against AV when in reality there are fewer dedicated AV people out their then HAV players. Why is that because you fail to listen to your vet players. I have posted many times how AV needs a buff to there point potential and isk rewards for their kills. From there, dedicated AVers will come out because their is a viable career to lvl off from and gain SP.

I will state I have used vehicles and AV as examples because that is where majority of my game play revolves around.

Enough of this CCP and we as a community need to speak out against these back door additions. CCP needs to get back to working with us as a community on balancing instead of just doing and letting people find out the hard way.

Sorry testing*

CCP has been playing a little dirty lately. They have been dropping in backdoor nerfs that no one knows about. or buffs that are set up to nerf other types of gameplay.

Perfect example is the recent explosive AV buff which has nerfed armor vehicles. No one knew about it coming until one day a unlucky HAV player finds out that swarms are hitting alot harder and the ability to survive is impossible. Another example is dropships have become so slow and fly like they are a 20 ton aircraft. They use to be nimble, quick, and fun. But now it is impossible to outrun swarms unless you equipped a afterburner and even then they are still catching you sometimes.

CCP is destroying their game with these behind the scenes nerfs or buffs to counter other types of game play. They talk about how they want to be involved with the community but they seem to be getting less and less involved. They are choosing there own council and we do not even know if all types of game play will be represented here.

Enough is enough CCP you are slowly destroying your vet and hardcore community that held high expectations for this game. You seem to lack the ability to work with the community well and only listen to inexperienced players problems and fail to get experienced players feedback on the true issues. Then jump on trying to fix things with out getting better community input and let us suffer the back draft of having our game play seriously hurt by your poorly planned out fixes.

Vehicles game play has been slowly getting destroyed and beat out of dust completely because. Why run a tank when the enemy team can all equip AV grenades in a corp battle and effectively deal with any anti-infantr[y hav comes close 8 packed AV grenades will destroy any HAV out there.

You keep thinking the problem with vehicles is that they are to strong against AV when in reality there are fewer dedicated AV people out their then HAV players. Why is that because you fail to listen to your vet players. I have posted many times how AV needs a buff to there point potential and isk rewards for their kills. From there, dedicated AVers will come out because their is a viable career to lvl off from and gain SP.

I will state I have used vehicles and AV as examples because that is where majority of my game play revolves around.

Enough of this CCP and we as a community need to speak out against these back door additions. CCP needs to get back to working with us as a community on balancing instead of just doing and letting people find out the hard way.

Sorry dude. Game is live. Testing should have been done a long time ago.

PS: And try to work with the community rather than CCP. Its generally pretty dark up a person's arse.

Ever think they might be doing this for testing purpose's and I didn't realize that CCP had ask you for permission to make change's to their game as last I checked we the community do not own CCP.

Soft launch is on May 6th. Official launch is on the 14th.

Also: CCP is collecting data on everything in-game. If they make changes to something, they have numbers to back it up.

With no respecting system people need to know whats going on? Why should someone speck into armor tanks when they are just glorified paperweights?

Sorry dude. Game is live. Testing should have been done a long time ago.

PS: And try to work with the community rather than CCP. Its generally pretty dark up a person's arse.

Game is still in beta so not sure why you would think testing is not valid and that comment to Iron is just plain rude

Birds of a feather flock together. No wonder you cant see the light either

What? I never noticed any "stealth nerfs" or whatever. You guys are imagining things lol

Your just an afk scrub so your opinion matter's very little to me thank you and have a nice day

stuff.

Sorry testing*

Game is still in beta so not sure why you would think testing is not valid and that comment to Iron is just plain rude

Your just an afk scrub so your opinion matter's very little to me thank you and have a nice day

Soft launch is on May 6th. Official launch is on the 14th.

Also: CCP is collecting data on everything in-game. If they make changes to something, they have numbers to back it up.

And commercial launch already happened in Jan \o/

And commercial launch already happened in Jan \o/

**** keeps getting ninja nerfed

Once upon a time the Afterburner was the most amazing module ever, only good for self defense, the ability to escape swarms as a Dropship, then all of a sudden BAM, that **** increases your speed by like 10% and then they've seemed to buff it again slightly (I can do flips and **** easier again now)

It's not so much the nerfs that are annoying but the fact they don't tell us **** all about it, it would be nice to be given a heads up.

According to SONY it isn't.

Excuse me but I am flying dropship with AB no probs and no swarms can catch up to me. What is your deal?

Furthermore, none of the big vehicle names were tapped for the WC, and none of the primarily AV guys I communicate with either, so expect more nerfs for a long time coming.

Excuse me but I am flying dropship with AB no probs and no swarms can catch up to me. What is your deal?

WC hasnt been released has it?

Noc prove it, because there are people who complained to Sony about the wording of the mecenary pack item description and alas sony offically replied they can't do anything because it is not in commercial release.

After all they're the ones selling the item.

Noc assumes that WC is about game play issues. Doesn't understand that WC is more like this

This thread is about the lack of communication with CCPs community. And yes CCP owns the game owns the rights to everything. But I am Daddy and my money given to CCP helps him pay college bills aka staff and resources for the game. I am currently not going to spend another dime on Dust 514. Why because my son did not take the time to report back to me give me info on what my money is being used for.

So in other words communication is very important. It is what helps this game run smoother. CCP biggest draw is suppose to be their community involvement. Not the lack of it that they currently have. So I hold them to high expectation.

For those saying I am whining about HAVs and Dropship nerfs. No this thread is not about that. I just used my personal experiences as examples. What happens when you favorite repair tool gets deemed OP by a bunch of people and all of a sudden one day your out there being a logi bro and you throw out half the rep u use too. or if your assault riffle all of a sudden has 2 times the kick.

It is not just about my vehicles. It is the community as a whole.

5-14 is the official launch day.

Ego we're still testing, and even more unfortunately we're going to continue to test afterwards.

HOWEVER I hope that in the post launch environment things will be better documented.

As for empirical evidence, everything is pointing towards beta status I mean why else would you have an undocumented patch every day that you are so complaining about? That's the exact opposite of a launched product (then again call of duty never puts out patch notes either...)

http://community.callofduty.com/message/413598388#413598388

Please stop, because the only thing coming out of your mouth is garbage.

without all the skills in place some stuff we have been testing is likely been done as if it is max skilled, like the afterburner for example. more skills that affect these things are likely to be inbound, then again i could be talking utter cod s**t :)

Why adjust it before the skills are implemented? That makes no sense.

well if they can nerf it they can buff it.

But I am on the bandwagon that stealth needs to go away a bit.

Communication IWS! Communication! that's all OP and we are asking.

I keep asking, and the guys doing deployments are busy number gathering...

According to SONY it isn't.

My opinion on this is that part of testing is to introduce changes into the system without the knowledge of parties involved. If we know a change is coming or are told when it's dropped you will modify your behavior and skew the data that is trying to be collected regarding the change.

Part of testing is to limit variables and player behavior and how it changes results is a huge one.

My opinion on this is that part of testing is to introduce changes into the system without the knowledge of parties involved. If we know a change is coming or are told when it's dropped you will modify your behavior and skew the data that is trying to be collected regarding the change.

Part of testing is to limit variables and player behavior and how it changes results is a huge one.

My opinion on this is that part of testing is to introduce changes into the system without the knowledge of parties involved. If we know a change is coming or are told when it's dropped you will modify your behavior and skew the data that is trying to be collected regarding the change.

Part of testing is to limit variables and player behavior and how it changes results is a huge one.

You guys need to stop taking it so personally when they wreck your stuff. The ultimate (though increasingly quixotic seeming) goal is obviously to balance everything so that there isn't a right or wrong way to spec. If you don't want the rug pulled out from under you, stop intentionally seeking out OP gear.

Has anyone got official confirmation of launch day yet?

Because I've asked Noc to back his claim up, and so far nothing's come of it. I've asked other people claiming the game is already released to provide a source for that info, and nobody has been able to do so.

The BETA is still a BETA until there is OFFICIAL word to the contrary. We're all still in beta. Reset or not, the game isn't finished. The end of SP and AUR resets is understandable even though the game is still in beta, because it's now an open beta that's freely available to the public, so anyone who wants to join in can do so.

CCP has been playing a little dirty lately. They have been dropping in backdoor nerfs that no one knows about. or buffs that are set up to nerf other types of gameplay.

Perfect example is the recent explosive AV buff which has nerfed armor vehicles. No one knew about it coming until one day a unlucky HAV player finds out that swarms are hitting alot harder and the ability to survive is impossible. Another example is dropships have become so slow and fly like they are a 20 ton aircraft. They use to be nimble, quick, and fun. But now it is impossible to outrun swarms unless you equipped a afterburner and even then they are still catching you sometimes.

CCP is destroying their game with these behind the scenes nerfs or buffs to counter other types of game play. They talk about how they want to be involved with the community but they seem to be getting less and less involved. They are choosing there own council and we do not even know if all types of game play will be represented here.

Enough is enough CCP you are slowly destroying your vet and hardcore community that held high expectations for this game. You seem to lack the ability to work with the community well and only listen to inexperienced players problems and fail to get experienced players feedback on the true issues. Then jump on trying to fix things with out getting better community input and let us suffer the back draft of having our game play seriously hurt by your poorly planned out fixes.

Vehicles game play has been slowly getting destroyed and beat out of dust completely because. Why run a tank when the enemy team can all equip AV grenades in a corp battle and effectively deal with any anti-infantr[y hav comes close 8 packed AV grenades will destroy any HAV out there.

You keep thinking the problem with vehicles is that they are to strong against AV when in reality there are fewer dedicated AV people out their then HAV players. Why is that because you fail to listen to your vet players. I have posted many times how AV needs a buff to there point potential and isk rewards for their kills. From there, dedicated AVers will come out because their is a viable career to lvl off from and gain SP.

I will state I have used vehicles and AV as examples because that is where majority of my game play revolves around.

Enough of this CCP and we as a community need to speak out against these back door additions. CCP needs to get back to working with us as a community on balancing instead of just doing and letting people find out the hard way.

Official Launch Day

5 (may) - 14

Expansion Day

5 - 6

lol, your tears are delicious to us heavies that have been getting shafted since last summer.

how's it feel being ****** over?

My opinion on this is that part of testing is to introduce changes into the system without the knowledge of parties involved. If we know a change is coming or are told when it's dropped you will modify your behavior and skew the data that is trying to be collected regarding the change.

Part of testing is to limit variables and player behavior and how it changes results is a huge one.

This thread is about the lack of communication with CCPs community. And yes CCP owns the game owns the rights to everything. But I am Daddy and my money given to CCP helps him pay college bills aka staff and resources for the game. I am currently not going to spend another dime on Dust 514. Why because my son did not take the time to report back to me give me info on what my money is being used for.

So in other words communication is very important. It is what helps this game run smoother. CCP biggest draw is suppose to be their community involvement. Not the lack of it that they currently have. So I hold them to high expectation.

For those saying I am whining about HAVs and Dropship nerfs. No this thread is not about that. I just used my personal experiences as examples. What happens when you favorite repair tool gets deemed OP by a bunch of people and all of a sudden one day your out there being a logi bro and you throw out half the rep u use too. or if your assault riffle all of a sudden has 2 times the kick.

It is not just about my vehicles. It is the community as a whole.

Well Launch day has been posted in various location but I guess the best source is here

http://dust514.com/news/press/2013/03/gamasutra-on-uprising-may-6th/

The beta label removal is on the 14th however.

We have had unannounced buffs/nerfs previously,
[u]Unannounced changes I have noticed/u]
-Collision Damage on HAV's has been buffed and nerfed withing weeks
-Sagaris CPU was lowered by a small amount
-HAV acceleration has been tweaked more then once
-HAV speed has been tweaked more then once


Personally I am fine with it because then there isn't a bunch of QQ on the forums about it. If they told us that HAV's got a "Buff" the uproar by non vehicle guys would be significant.

They tweak things to get stats on different things,

CCP just needs to do their own thing and not listen to the butthurt masses. MAG was ruined because Zipper listened to there whiny audience.

Has there been a change in explosive damage ... or has there been a response to the number of HAVs being used causing more people to add some form of AV to their arsenal ... mainly Swarms or AV grenades for the majority of players.

I ask because I use Swarms as my preferred fit and haven't noticed any change ... however I don't see how it's possible to tell what you're being hit by or what you're hitting ... a proto swarm with triple complex damage mods should do severe damage to an advanced level Sagaris or Surya, but when you get the kill feed saying you were killed by a militia swarm that doesn't mean you were only getting hit by that.

Same goes for AV, I couldn't tell you what was fitted to the HAV I solo'd ... it could have been a fail fit or a militia fit on advanced hull or anything ... who knows.

Maybe they've fixed the stacking penalties for some of your modules or what ever ... crying about them sly nerfing your 'baby' just comes over as an immature kid crying mummy won't buy him an ice cream ... that's how your post reads between the lines.

CCP have elected a representative of the community to discuss these kinds of things and there's already been plenty of threads like this bringing it to their attention, so you're just venting your rage

Official Launch Day

5 (may) - 14

Expansion Day

5 - 6

Lots of argument and debate that I didn't bother to read all the way through.

CCP just needs to do their own thing and not listen to the butthurt masses. MAG was ruined because Zipper listened to there whiny audience.

Why shouldn't he AFK?

Whats the point in putting time and effort into something thats just going to get nerfed without warning?

So why play a game that doesn't cater to you? Why continue AFK farming on a game that will just nerf what you do without warning? Lol! Nerds...gotta love em..

Game is still in beta so not sure why you would think testing is not valid and that comment to Iron is just plain rude

Well Launch day has been posted in various location but I guess the best source is here

http://dust514.com/news/press/2013/03/gamasutra-on-uprising-may-6th/

The beta label removal is on the 14th however.

You fail.

May the 6th is when they release the update.
Then they spend a week testing it making sure **** ain't broke and then May the 14th is when the marketing department goes crazy with the information and bombards everything about the update.
That doesn't mean its out of BETA, its just an update, 0.8 update.

Straight from [CCP]FoxFour in the IRC.

Hi guys,

To help clear this up I can confirm that we have not made a stealth buff to AV. Nor have we touched the base dropship handling.

The overdrives and afterburners were updated when we launched the aerial assault pack. That one slipped through the cracks and we forgot to mention it. Sometimes it happens, sorry about that. Generally speaking though we will always let you know when we mess with things :-)

CCP Wolfman

And commercial launch already happened in Jan \o/

when we launched the aerial assault pack

Hi guys,

To help clear this up I can confirm that we have not made a stealth buff to AV. Nor have we touched the base dropship handling.

The overdrives and afterburners were updated when we launched the aerial assault pack. That one slipped through the cracks and we forgot to mention it. Sometimes it happens, sorry about that. Generally speaking though we will always let you know when we mess with things :-)

CCP Wolfman

Time for testing was in closed beta, game is launched. We closed beta testers screamed for them to wait... didnt listen.






Game is out of beta. Are you guys blind? Can you not see alot of people are paying for the game (aurum wont be reimbursed), SP skill will not be reset and anyone who wants to play the game can.

Sure sounds like a soft launch to me. Only reasons CCP has "Beta" on the game are because of aurum reimbursement and they can shrug off any criticism as "games in beta or SOON". I would expect this thread to be locked soon as they don't like discussions like this.

Iron Wolf doesnt play the game much. He makes sure his opinions are very visible, but doesn't know what he is talking about 1/2 the time, the other 1/2 is agreeing or defending whatever CCP says. Fanboy #1.


And there are backend changes being made, hit detection has gotten worse. This is just the infantry perspective. I'm not like Caeli and in a vehicle most of the time. If you were in a vehicle most of the time you would notice the small/large differences being made.

Good job Mobius. Are you looking forward to the all the changes coming to ships?

and before you ask...

Afterburner

*Active Fuel Injector I GÇô thrust from 10 to 2.5x

Overdrives

*Enabled overdrives to work on aerial vehicles

Variable vane turbine
-Torque curve modifier from 1.05x to 1.12x

Twincharger
-Torque curve modifier from 1.18x to 1.1088x
-Track torque curve modifier from 1.14 to 1.1088x
-CPU usage from 12 to 6.5

Jovian Fusion Powerplant
-Torque curve modifier from 1.25x to 1.176x
-Track torque curve modifier from 1.2x to 1.176x
-CPU usage from 14 to 12.2

Hi guys,

To help clear this up I can confirm that we have not made a stealth buff to AV. Nor have we touched the base dropship handling.

The overdrives and afterburners were updated when we launched the aerial assault pack. That one slipped through the cracks and we forgot to mention it. Sometimes it happens, sorry about that. Generally speaking though we will always let you know when we mess with things :-)

CCP Wolfman

Hi guys,

To help clear this up I can confirm that we have not made a stealth buff to AV. Nor have we touched the base dropship handling.

The overdrives and afterburners were updated when we launched the aerial assault pack. That one slipped through the cracks and we forgot to mention it. Sometimes it happens, sorry about that. Generally speaking though we will always let you know when we mess with things :-)

CCP Wolfman

Why even nerf the after burners? Drop ships now have no defense against, we'll.... anything now.

Basically with Dropships you have to get within 50m to actually kill anyone. Closer to actually be effective 30m about. sit still because on the move the blasters become inaccurate. Then once swarms income and forge starts hitting you it takes 20+ seconds to gain up enough speed even with afterburner to outrun swarms. Alot of it deals with the poor mechanics they Have now. They need precursor mechanics for the dropships. they have beat dropships down to nothing.