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Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:31:00 -
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CCP has been playing a little dirty lately. They have been dropping in backdoor nerfs that no one knows about. or buffs that are set up to nerf other types of gameplay.
Perfect example is the recent explosive AV buff which has nerfed armor vehicles. No one knew about it coming until one day a unlucky HAV player finds out that swarms are hitting alot harder and the ability to survive is impossible. Another example is dropships have become so slow and fly like they are a 20 ton aircraft. They use to be nimble, quick, and fun. But now it is impossible to outrun swarms unless you equipped a afterburner and even then they are still catching you sometimes.
CCP is destroying their game with these behind the scenes nerfs or buffs to counter other types of game play. They talk about how they want to be involved with the community but they seem to be getting less and less involved. They are choosing there own council and we do not even know if all types of game play will be represented here.
Enough is enough CCP you are slowly destroying your vet and hardcore community that held high expectations for this game. You seem to lack the ability to work with the community well and only listen to inexperienced players problems and fail to get experienced players feedback on the true issues. Then jump on trying to fix things with out getting better community input and let us suffer the back draft of having our game play seriously hurt by your poorly planned out fixes.
Vehicles game play has been slowly getting destroyed and beat out of dust completely because. Why run a tank when the enemy team can all equip AV grenades in a corp battle and effectively deal with any anti-infantr[y hav comes close 8 packed AV grenades will destroy any HAV out there.
You keep thinking the problem with vehicles is that they are to strong against AV when in reality there are fewer dedicated AV people out their then HAV players. Why is that because you fail to listen to your vet players. I have posted many times how AV needs a buff to there point potential and isk rewards for their kills. From there, dedicated AVers will come out because their is a viable career to lvl off from and gain SP.
I will state I have used vehicles and AV as examples because that is where majority of my game play revolves around.
Enough of this CCP and we as a community need to speak out against these back door additions. CCP needs to get back to working with us as a community on balancing instead of just doing and letting people find out the hard way. |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
275
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:43:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:CCP has been playing a little dirty lately. They have been dropping in backdoor nerfs that no one knows about. or buffs that are set up to nerf other types of gameplay.
Perfect example is the recent explosive AV buff which has nerfed armor vehicles. No one knew about it coming until one day a unlucky HAV player finds out that swarms are hitting alot harder and the ability to survive is impossible. Another example is dropships have become so slow and fly like they are a 20 ton aircraft. They use to be nimble, quick, and fun. But now it is impossible to outrun swarms unless you equipped a afterburner and even then they are still catching you sometimes.
CCP is destroying their game with these behind the scenes nerfs or buffs to counter other types of game play. They talk about how they want to be involved with the community but they seem to be getting less and less involved. They are choosing there own council and we do not even know if all types of game play will be represented here.
Enough is enough CCP you are slowly destroying your vet and hardcore community that held high expectations for this game. You seem to lack the ability to work with the community well and only listen to inexperienced players problems and fail to get experienced players feedback on the true issues. Then jump on trying to fix things with out getting better community input and let us suffer the back draft of having our game play seriously hurt by your poorly planned out fixes.
Vehicles game play has been slowly getting destroyed and beat out of dust completely because. Why run a tank when the enemy team can all equip AV grenades in a corp battle and effectively deal with any anti-infantr[y hav comes close 8 packed AV grenades will destroy any HAV out there.
You keep thinking the problem with vehicles is that they are to strong against AV when in reality there are fewer dedicated AV people out their then HAV players. Why is that because you fail to listen to your vet players. I have posted many times how AV needs a buff to there point potential and isk rewards for their kills. From there, dedicated AVers will come out because their is a viable career to lvl off from and gain SP.
I will state I have used vehicles and AV as examples because that is where majority of my game play revolves around.
Enough of this CCP and we as a community need to speak out against these back door additions. CCP needs to get back to working with us as a community on balancing instead of just doing and letting people find out the hard way. QFT I wish we had greater transparency here.
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3244
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:44:00 -
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Sorry testing* |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
863
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:48:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sorry testing*
Sorry dude. Game is live. Testing should have been done a long time ago.
PS: And try to work with the community rather than CCP. Its generally pretty dark up a person's arse. |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
166
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:49:00 -
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What? I never noticed any "stealth nerfs" or whatever. You guys are imagining things lol |
Calgoth Reborn
United Front LLC
198
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:49:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:CCP has been playing a little dirty lately. They have been dropping in backdoor nerfs that no one knows about. or buffs that are set up to nerf other types of gameplay.
Perfect example is the recent explosive AV buff which has nerfed armor vehicles. No one knew about it coming until one day a unlucky HAV player finds out that swarms are hitting alot harder and the ability to survive is impossible. Another example is dropships have become so slow and fly like they are a 20 ton aircraft. They use to be nimble, quick, and fun. But now it is impossible to outrun swarms unless you equipped a afterburner and even then they are still catching you sometimes.
CCP is destroying their game with these behind the scenes nerfs or buffs to counter other types of game play. They talk about how they want to be involved with the community but they seem to be getting less and less involved. They are choosing there own council and we do not even know if all types of game play will be represented here.
Enough is enough CCP you are slowly destroying your vet and hardcore community that held high expectations for this game. You seem to lack the ability to work with the community well and only listen to inexperienced players problems and fail to get experienced players feedback on the true issues. Then jump on trying to fix things with out getting better community input and let us suffer the back draft of having our game play seriously hurt by your poorly planned out fixes.
Vehicles game play has been slowly getting destroyed and beat out of dust completely because. Why run a tank when the enemy team can all equip AV grenades in a corp battle and effectively deal with any anti-infantr[y hav comes close 8 packed AV grenades will destroy any HAV out there.
You keep thinking the problem with vehicles is that they are to strong against AV when in reality there are fewer dedicated AV people out their then HAV players. Why is that because you fail to listen to your vet players. I have posted many times how AV needs a buff to there point potential and isk rewards for their kills. From there, dedicated AVers will come out because their is a viable career to lvl off from and gain SP.
I will state I have used vehicles and AV as examples because that is where majority of my game play revolves around.
Enough of this CCP and we as a community need to speak out against these back door additions. CCP needs to get back to working with us as a community on balancing instead of just doing and letting people find out the hard way.
Ever think they might be doing this for testing purpose's and I didn't realize that CCP had ask you for permission to make change's to their game as last I checked we the community do not own CCP.
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Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
285
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:50:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Sorry dude. Game is live. Testing should have been done a long time ago.
PS: And try to work with the community rather than CCP. Its generally pretty dark up a person's arse.
Soft launch is on May 6th. Official launch is on the 14th.
Also: CCP is collecting data on everything in-game. If they make changes to something, they have numbers to back it up. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
863
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:51:00 -
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Calgoth Reborn wrote:
Ever think they might be doing this for testing purpose's and I didn't realize that CCP had ask you for permission to make change's to their game as last I checked we the community do not own CCP.
With no respecting system people need to know whats going on? Why should someone speck into armor tanks when they are just glorified paperweights? |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
863
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:52:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:Sorry dude. Game is live. Testing should have been done a long time ago.
PS: And try to work with the community rather than CCP. Its generally pretty dark up a person's arse. Soft launch is on May 6th. Official launch is on the 14th. Also: CCP is collecting data on everything in-game. If they make changes to something, they have numbers to back it up.
Understandable. But...
Sentient Archon wrote:Calgoth Reborn wrote:
Ever think they might be doing this for testing purpose's and I didn't realize that CCP had ask you for permission to make change's to their game as last I checked we the community do not own CCP.
With no respecting system people need to know whats going on? Why should someone speck into armor tanks when they are just glorified paperweights?
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Calgoth Reborn
United Front LLC
198
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:52:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sorry testing* Sorry dude. Game is live. Testing should have been done a long time ago. PS: And try to work with the community rather than CCP. Its generally pretty dark up a person's arse.
Game is still in beta so not sure why you would think testing is not valid and that comment to Iron is just plain rude |
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Sentient Archon
Red Star.
863
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:54:00 -
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Calgoth Reborn wrote:
Game is still in beta so not sure why you would think testing is not valid and that comment to Iron is just plain rude
Birds of a feather flock together. No wonder you cant see the light either |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
224
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:55:00 -
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Has there been a change in explosive damage ... or has there been a response to the number of HAVs being used causing more people to add some form of AV to their arsenal ... mainly Swarms or AV grenades for the majority of players.
I ask because I use Swarms as my preferred fit and haven't noticed any change ... however I don't see how it's possible to tell what you're being hit by or what you're hitting ... a proto swarm with triple complex damage mods should do severe damage to an advanced level Sagaris or Surya, but when you get the kill feed saying you were killed by a militia swarm that doesn't mean you were only getting hit by that.
Same goes for AV, I couldn't tell you what was fitted to the HAV I solo'd ... it could have been a fail fit or a militia fit on advanced hull or anything ... who knows.
Maybe they've fixed the stacking penalties for some of your modules or what ever ... crying about them sly nerfing your 'baby' just comes over as an immature kid crying mummy won't buy him an ice cream ... that's how your post reads between the lines.
CCP have elected a representative of the community to discuss these kinds of things and there's already been plenty of threads like this bringing it to their attention, so you're just venting your rage |
Calgoth Reborn
United Front LLC
198
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:58:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Calgoth Reborn wrote:
Game is still in beta so not sure why you would think testing is not valid and that comment to Iron is just plain rude
Birds of a feather flock together. No wonder you cant see the light either
Your just an afk scrub so your opinion matter's very little to me thank you and have a nice day |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
96
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:02:00 -
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Sylvana Nightwind wrote:What? I never noticed any "stealth nerfs" or whatever. You guys are imagining things lol
One example is the Jovian Fusion Powerplant, used to give a 25% Bonus to Torque, now its only 17.6%.
Nothing about it in any patch notes either. This is why so many other games failed, lack of communication. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
96
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:03:00 -
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Calgoth Reborn wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:Calgoth Reborn wrote:
Game is still in beta so not sure why you would think testing is not valid and that comment to Iron is just plain rude
Birds of a feather flock together. No wonder you cant see the light either Your just an afk scrub so your opinion matter's very little to me thank you and have a nice day
Why shouldn't he AFK?
Whats the point in putting time and effort into something thats just going to get nerfed without warning? |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1013
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:05:00 -
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Im not sure on the secret armor nerf
Then again it can be called a secret AV buff but the point is i havnt noticed too much of a change but i have been in battles where AV ppl are just hurting more than they usually do but ive changed my setup from 4 active mods to 7 so im behind these days when activating stuff like hardners
Afterburnners and all torque mods got nerfed that we know
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
87
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:05:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote: stuff.
if you have issues with swarms or av nades then go with shield tanked HAV instead and see how those explosive damage tickles. |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
743
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:06:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sorry testing*
Time for testing was in closed beta, game is launched. We closed beta testers screamed for them to wait... didnt listen.
Calgoth Reborn wrote:Game is still in beta so not sure why you would think testing is not valid and that comment to Iron is just plain rude
Game is out of beta. Are you guys blind? Can you not see alot of people are paying for the game (aurum wont be reimbursed), SP skill will not be reset and anyone who wants to play the game can.
Sure sounds like a soft launch to me. Only reasons CCP has "Beta" on the game are because of aurum reimbursement and they can shrug off any criticism as "games in beta or SOON". I would expect this thread to be locked soon as they don't like discussions like this.
Iron Wolf doesnt play the game much. He makes sure his opinions are very visible, but doesn't know what he is talking about 1/2 the time, the other 1/2 is agreeing or defending whatever CCP says. Fanboy #1.
And there are backend changes being made, hit detection has gotten worse. This is just the infantry perspective. I'm not like Caeli and in a vehicle most of the time. If you were in a vehicle most of the time you would notice the small/large differences being made. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
779
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:08:00 -
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**** keeps getting ninja nerfed
Once upon a time the Afterburner was the most amazing module ever, only good for self defense, the ability to escape swarms as a Dropship, then all of a sudden BAM, that **** increases your speed by like 10% and then they've seemed to buff it again slightly (I can do flips and **** easier again now)
It's not so much the nerfs that are annoying but the fact they don't tell us **** all about it, it would be nice to be given a heads up. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3246
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:11:00 -
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5-14 is the official launch day.
Ego we're still testing, and even more unfortunately we're going to continue to test afterwards.
HOWEVER I hope that in the post launch environment things will be better documented.
As for empirical evidence, everything is pointing towards beta status I mean why else would you have an undocumented patch every day that you are so complaining about? That's the exact opposite of a launched product (then again call of duty never puts out patch notes either...) |
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Sentient Archon
Red Star.
867
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:12:00 -
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Calgoth Reborn wrote:
Your just an afk scrub so your opinion matter's very little to me thank you and have a nice day
For a AFK scrub I have a better gun game than you, I have a better KD than you and I have more WPs than you.
Whats more I am better looking than you too. If that's the life of an AFK scrub;- I'm Loving It!
Calgoth who? |
Succendo
Immobile Infantry
2
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:13:00 -
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Developers should never listen to players, because the only thing that comes from players is tears. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1280
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:14:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:Sorry dude. Game is live. Testing should have been done a long time ago.
PS: And try to work with the community rather than CCP. Its generally pretty dark up a person's arse. Soft launch is on May 6th. Official launch is on the 14th. Also: CCP is collecting data on everything in-game. If they make changes to something, they have numbers to back it up.
And commercial launch already happened in Jan \o/ |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
745
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:16:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Laheon wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:Sorry dude. Game is live. Testing should have been done a long time ago.
PS: And try to work with the community rather than CCP. Its generally pretty dark up a person's arse. Soft launch is on May 6th. Official launch is on the 14th. Also: CCP is collecting data on everything in-game. If they make changes to something, they have numbers to back it up. And commercial launch already happened in Jan \o/
Think what he meant to say Noc was the first EXPANSION drops in May...
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3246
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:16:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Laheon wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:Sorry dude. Game is live. Testing should have been done a long time ago.
PS: And try to work with the community rather than CCP. Its generally pretty dark up a person's arse. Soft launch is on May 6th. Official launch is on the 14th. Also: CCP is collecting data on everything in-game. If they make changes to something, they have numbers to back it up. And commercial launch already happened in Jan \o/
According to SONY it isn't. |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:16:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:**** keeps getting ninja nerfed
Once upon a time the Afterburner was the most amazing module ever, only good for self defense, the ability to escape swarms as a Dropship, then all of a sudden BAM, that **** increases your speed by like 10% and then they've seemed to buff it again slightly (I can do flips and **** easier again now)
It's not so much the nerfs that are annoying but the fact they don't tell us **** all about it, it would be nice to be given a heads up. Excuse me but I am flying dropship with AB no probs and no swarms can catch up to me. What is your deal? |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1280
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:16:00 -
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Furthermore, none of the big vehicle names were tapped for the WC, and none of the primarily AV guys I communicate with either, so expect more nerfs for a long time coming. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1280
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:17:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Laheon wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:Sorry dude. Game is live. Testing should have been done a long time ago.
PS: And try to work with the community rather than CCP. Its generally pretty dark up a person's arse. Soft launch is on May 6th. Official launch is on the 14th. Also: CCP is collecting data on everything in-game. If they make changes to something, they have numbers to back it up. And commercial launch already happened in Jan \o/ According to SONY it isn't.
That's not true. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3246
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:18:00 -
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Noc prove it, because there are people who complained to Sony about the wording of the mecenary pack item description and alas sony offically replied they can't do anything because it is not in commercial release. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
96
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:19:00 -
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Sylvana Nightwind wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:**** keeps getting ninja nerfed
Once upon a time the Afterburner was the most amazing module ever, only good for self defense, the ability to escape swarms as a Dropship, then all of a sudden BAM, that **** increases your speed by like 10% and then they've seemed to buff it again slightly (I can do flips and **** easier again now)
It's not so much the nerfs that are annoying but the fact they don't tell us **** all about it, it would be nice to be given a heads up. Excuse me but I am flying dropship with AB no probs and no swarms can catch up to me. What is your deal?
Yea, and I can go 100-0 using nothing but an MLT Scout Suit and MLT Scrambler Pistol.
See how easy it is to lie? |
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