so.. lets say i don't like this sloth guy because i hear hes one of those dark souls kids and me and my squad decide to report you afk at the very end of the round..

yeah.. there goes your isk.

Kinda complex. Converting Dust to all passive SP would be simpler and more effective.

If Dust 514 was more FUN to play people would not AFK SP farm. What CCP needs to do is remove skill point cap altogether.

I said it once and I'll say it again... If Dust 514 was more FUN to play people would not AFK SP farm. What CCP needs to do is remove skill point cap altogether. If you can't keep up with the grinders oh well to damn bad. I rarely play only have about 3 mil in SP and I'm still running standard stuff and can hold my own.

But that's my opinion on the matter you don't have to like it but everyone is entitled to there own.

I said it once and I'll say it again... If Dust 514 was more FUN to play people would not AFK SP farm. What CCP needs to do is remove skill point cap altogether. If you can't keep up with the grinders oh well to damn bad. I rarely play only have about 3 mil in SP and I'm still running standard stuff and can hold my own.

But that's my opinion on the matter you don't have to like it but everyone is entitled to there own.

Well almost any system I could think of could be exploited or abused, so yeah, Idk what the hell CCP could possibly do to fix this.

I said it in the feedback thread right now:

BF3's badges system. Do things + WP and get SP. Problem solved.

This is why going all passive is better. New players would earn sp on an equal footing with veterans, and afking would be eliminated.

Except, as I pointed out, this punishes new players most. The new players are the players most likely to stop playing already (due to confusion, lack of time invested, etc)

Any system to solve afking must do so and not alienate new players who won't be getting war points initially.

This is why going all passive is better. New players would earn sp on an equal footing with veterans, and afking would be eliminated.

Anyone ever heard of VTK?..............

It would also remove any satisfaction from personally training my skills. Why play Dust when I can play Pokemon for year and then comeback to find a nice pool of SP?

Why play Dust at all? It might work for EVE, but Dust isn't EVE.

Well us veterans will still have the SP cap, so it's not like the newbies will be far behind.

Theoretically, you should be playing dust because it is fun. Extrinsic lures are a form of psychological addiction. If dust isn't fun to play, sp aside, you should move on.

And new people can partially circumvent, but probably not completely negate it, through grinding. They can't do that if you completely cu off Active SP. Will you catch up to a guy who's played for 7 years and spent every day grinding? No, but I think they've earned that advantage.

And if I consider earning my SP fun, then what? Sorry but there's nothing fun about waiting a month for a skill to train, neither is grinding, but the gameplay should strive to make the grind fun, or at the very least bearable.

New players don't need to. This is a common misconception about eve as well.

New players only need enough sp for one fully decked out build. The way skills in dust work is that after that, a player doesn't get better, they just have more builds to from.

Theoretically, you should be playing dust because it is fun. Extrinsic lures are a form of psychological addiction. If dust isn't fun to play, sp aside, you should move on.

How much passive SP are we talking here? Cause a fully decked out build in dust will take a while. Still, you need to stop treating this like EVE, this is a FPS not EVE. Even a sh*t shooter like CoD offers some rewards for playing, even if it is something as meaningless as a fancier name tag. Do you know why people strive to earn those useless name tags, because it gives them a sense of accomplishment... along with inflating their E-peens.

What does passive SP reward me? Nothing, a game that I don't even have to play to succeed at isn't interesting in the slightest.

Edit: Should fun be the main incentive? Yes, that doesn't mean it has to be the only one. And technically fun gameplay is it'self a lure, as is an interactive skill system, that includes grinding.

Why do people play eve?

Why do people go to casinos?

Also, from what I've heard, EVE isn't just ships going pew pew at each other, there are people who have completely alternate lives there...try finding people with the same commitment to a shooter. No matter how fun dust becomes, it's just another shooter.

why the hell do you think i'm posting over here and not still playing dks man? for another cod or bf3 clone?

no gain of anything behind red line - friendly solution

resetting exploiters total SP to zero - optimal solution

I think you have this backward imho. The gameplay should be fun so that there is no grind.

Plenty of us, back in the day, played doom and descent and a million other games that had no skill progression or sp at all. You shouldn't need the lure to play the game, or the game is bad.

I fear many younger players are already conditioned to think that a number counting up constitutes fun.

That's a little bit of a tangent, but my point is that dust will ultimately stand or fall on the strength of how fun it is, regardless of sp anyway.

After you hit the cap, it's based on WP. As in, SP = WP.

An easier solution is that if nothing is recorded after five minutes of playing, kick them off the match. For example, I get into a match, I don't kill, don't die, don't hack anything. I have no WP. After five minutes, I get kicked for lack of contribution to the match.

Then you'd have AFKers hack the closest SD/CRU/etc., kill themselves, and spawn in the MCC.

They should implement a report system. If someone is farming, you report them after the match in-game. If they get enough reports, CCP investigates. Punishment could be anywhere from a week of no ISK/SP gain to character reset

Having an SP pool in place. People AFK atm so they won't lose their SP for the week. If there's a pool system where all your "lost" SP is gathered, I can guarantee you, that the number of people AFK will go down.

Nobody wants to lose SP, cuz there's no way to get it back! The boredom of the game is one thing, but the fact that there's no way to gain back lost SP is the MAIN reason people simply just log on to get SP.

What about a system where each individual player can submit a report to their contractor for that match. Every report against a player would require them to get 50 WP or they don't get payed. So, assuming a squad of 4 AFKs and 12 other players, that would require each of them to earn 600 WP or they don't payed during that match.

Reporting someone would be as easy as going to the scoreboard and selecting them like if you wanted to check their info or add them to your contacts.

200 WP? In a match? That's easy.

The WP requirements would be for the entire match, not just after I'm reported.

But who could ever hate me?


I dislike that because then I have no incentive to actually play, I would just put it on passive and come back in a month/year.

Well almost any system I could think of could be exploited or abused, so yeah, Idk what the hell CCP could possibly do to fix this.

It would also remove any satisfaction from personally training my skills. Why play Dust when I can play Pokemon for year and then comeback to find a nice pool of SP?

Why play Dust at all? It might work for EVE, but Dust isn't EVE.

I would report everyone in every game I played first thing. So would many other people I know.

easy..

1sp per second, 5sp per warpoint.

fixed.

their experimental system has fail all over it, trying to morally bind players to some unwritten code of ethics and a few players supporting this with their so called boycotting of the AFKers has totally failed on so many levels.

10 minute game where you earn 500 WP would get you 3100 SP.
10 minutes with 1500 points would be 8100.

I say this because I think the cap would be hit too fast to keep players playing.

Theoretically, you should be playing dust because it is fun. Extrinsic lures are a form of psychological addiction. If dust isn't fun to play, sp aside, you should move on.

That is the same logic AFK farmers are using. Except they are still doing it so that when/if Dust ever meets their standards, they can jump in with a SP pool close to what it would be if they had never left. OH, WAIT! That's exactly what would happen if it WAS all passive SP!

No to removing active SP.

So, explain to me how going all passive hurts the rest of the community. It would let those that don't find the game entertaining but are still hopeful for the next build go elsewhere and bank SP. They'd quit clogging up our uberserious pubmatches with their darn farming, so only the tryhards and the newbies would be in match. The joke will be on them when they come back with their pool of 5 million SP and realize those that were playing 23.5/7 while they were gone got a little bit better from all the practicing.

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So, explain to me how going all passive hurts the rest of the community. It would let those that don't find the game entertaining but are still hopeful for the next build go elsewhere and bank SP. They'd quit clogging up our uberserious pubmatches with their darn farming, so only the tryhards and the newbies would be in match. The joke will be on them when they come back with their pool of 5 million SP and realize those that were playing 23.5/7 while they were gone got a little bit better from all the practicing.

Edited to repair the longest runon sentence I've ever seen.

Kinda complex. Converting Dust to all passive SP would be simpler and more effective.

WP doesn't affect isk earned. I've gotten 2k WP and gotten 150k isk, but then the next game gotten 1k and gotten 380k. It depends entirely on what fits your opponents have, I believe - if they're wearing proto suits, you earn more than if they were wearing militia fits.

Also, we'll see how PC and FW affects this when the new build comes out. It's likely to stop people from SP farming.

An easier solution is that if nothing is recorded after five minutes of playing, kick them off the match. For example, I get into a match, I don't kill, don't die, don't hack anything. I have no WP. After five minutes, I get kicked for lack of contribution to the match.

1S=1 SP. 1WP=5 SP.


x WP for DS pilots for each merc carried over y distance for up to z period of time(similar to logi WP cap)

Fixes in the short term




Long term fix
6 more weeks and new content build will suck vets into PC/FW and out of PUBS and if it truly allows SP gain then problem will solve itself.


HTFU and /thread.

This is not eve. People will not sit Round for years to Max out a couple of skill.

I said it once and I'll say it again... If Dust 514 was more FUN to play people would not AFK SP farm. What CCP needs to do is remove skill point cap altogether. If you can't keep up with the grinders oh well to damn bad. I rarely play only have about 3 mil in SP and I'm still running standard stuff and can hold my own.

But that's my opinion on the matter you don't have to like it but everyone is entitled to there own.

This is not eve. People will not sit Round for years to Max out a couple of skill.