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Sir Snugglz Arrogance. 1	Posted - 2013.03.21 21:47:00 - [1] - Quote With the confirmation of not resetting the skill points back to zero. How about skill point reallocation? Since this is a beta I'm sure many have been testing different combinations of suits/vehicles. By now we have a nice picture of what direction we would like to go. Unfortunately a lot of SP was wasted on those test skills. It would be nice if we can have all our SP and put it where we would actually want when the game ends its beta run. Since passive SP counted separately from active we can maybe refund all earned SP and lose passive SP in exchange for an opportunity to reallocate SP. OPINIONS?
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 761	Posted - 2013.03.21 21:49:00 - [2] - Quote no, besides those skills will be useful in the future
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N 29	Posted - 2013.03.21 21:50:00 - [3] - Quote Probably to be avoided. I think a number of players buy passive SP boosters with real money.
N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 122	Posted - 2013.03.21 21:50:00 - [4] - Quote Don't really care i'm happy with my skill points now. If they do anything to let you reallocate them then everyone would have it all on the best things and the game would be boring
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 538	Posted - 2013.03.21 21:52:00 - [5] - Quote "Testing" you say? No, most people put points into AR/Tanks and don't bother to test anything.

GM Vegas Game Masters C C P Alliance 433	Posted - 2013.03.21 21:53:00 - [6] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: If they do anything to let you reallocate them then everyone would have it all on the best things What's the best thing in game then? What's best today might not be the best tomorrow. Something you could find interesting here though. CCP Eterne wrote: We've only said we won't reset your SP to 0. We haven't said anything about not refunding your SP and allowing you to respec. That option is still on the table prior to release if we feel it will be worthwhile.

DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2106	Posted - 2013.03.21 21:56:00 - [7] - Quote GM Vegas wrote: CCP Eterne wrote: We've only said we won't reset your SP to 0. We haven't said anything about not refunding your SP and allowing you to respec. That option is still on the table prior to release if we feel it will be worthwhile. Please take this off the table and put it in game, would love the option, at least once ^_^
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 940	Posted - 2013.03.21 22:03:00 - [8] - Quote The option won't be given untill we have 6ore weapons and the 20 new dropsuit skills
Berneh DustFace Killshot Corp 11	Posted - 2013.03.21 22:09:00 - [9] - Quote A reset would be awesome, assuming we get the full ammount of SP, oh and our aurum back too, thanks very much , is saturday ok with you CCP ? :D
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 721	Posted - 2013.03.21 22:53:00 - [10] - Quote If it was modeled after EVE with a once a year respec, would be a nice option.

Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 538	Posted - 2013.03.21 22:55:00 - [11] - Quote Berneh DustFace wrote: A reset would be awesome, assuming we get the full ammount of SP, oh and our aurum back too, thanks very much , is saturday ok with you CCP ? :D Assuming that Aurum went into boosters, why would you get it back? -_-'
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1084	Posted - 2013.03.21 22:56:00 - [12] - Quote Respec in eve is only for attributes, not the SP you already have.
Shadowswipe WarRavens 23	Posted - 2013.03.21 23:17:00 - [13] - Quote GM Vegas wrote: Something you could find interesting here though. CCP Eterne wrote: We've only said we won't reset your SP to 0. We haven't said anything about not refunding your SP and allowing you to respec. That option is still on the table prior to release if we feel it will be worthwhile. Instead of beating around the bush with answers, is there anyway we could at least get a confirmation that once new racial dropsuits are added to the game, could we at least refund those points already spent in the dropsuits? I am currently at a block with skill training and suit power. I need to train up a dropsuit to lvl 3 to get into a stronger setup. Yet I don't want to get to lvl 3 and then the next day Amarr Logisitics get released and I have to train up all over again. This seems like such a simple thing to confirm as I would assume they would be refunded... but... you know stranger things have happened.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 940	Posted - 2013.03.22 00:37:00 - [14] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Respec in eve is only for attributes, not the SP you already have. Yet eve players do get refunds to respec when skills are changed
Dany 7A5H G I A N T 14	Posted - 2013.03.22 00:48:00 - [15] - Quote GM Vegas wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: If they do anything to let you reallocate them then everyone would have it all on the best things What's the best thing in game then? What's best today might not be the best tomorrow. Something you could find interesting here though. CCP Eterne wrote: We've only said we won't reset your SP to 0. We haven't said anything about not refunding your SP and allowing you to respec. That option is still on the table prior to release if we feel it will be worthwhile. I believe that the best solution would be to allow relocation of skillpoints AT A COST based on amount of SP in question. Ex: -You only retain 60% of skill points, loosing 40%. -Would cost Aurum or isk. Give the option to use either/or. *1000 isk = 1sp 1AR = 1sp thoughts?
Kay High The Lions Guard 92	Posted - 2013.03.22 00:50:00 - [16] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: dent 308 wrote: Respec in eve is only for attributes, not the SP you already have. Yet eve players do get refunds to respec when skills are changed but only if the skill is removed like when they got rid of the learning skills. But if they change a skill like Battlecruiser they will just give the skill to the other skills in the same group unless you have all four Racial Cruiser then you get a refund.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 31	Posted - 2013.03.22 00:51:00 - [17] - Quote refunding sp just sounds bad. maybe just once for its release maybe but thats it. you made a bad sp choice than deal with it and go into what you want to.
XXfootnoteXX DUST University Ivy League 148	Posted - 2013.03.22 00:55:00 - [18] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: The option won't be given untill we have 6ore weapons and the 20 new dropsuit skills Not to mention all of the new tank skills and dropships incomming. The number of skills is going to triple sooner than later a reset is obviously coming. And all the testing you've done won't help u pick what to respec into. Where are you getting these numbers? Dont get me wrong, I agree they will be coming, but where are you getting 20 from?
Dany 7A5H G I A N T 14	Posted - 2013.03.22 01:01:00 - [19] - Quote ladwar wrote: refunding sp just sounds bad. maybe just once for its release maybe but thats it. you made a bad sp choice than deal with it and go into what you want to. How is refunding XP that gives you diminished returns and costs isk and AUR a bad idea? Your basically disadvantaging yoursef in the long run of things to marginally increase other areas... Have you never sold your car to buy a new one? THAT was a bad idea my friend...
G Torq ALTA B2O 104	Posted - 2013.03.22 06:59:00 - [20] - Quote No resets No respec, outside of expensive, ineffective aurum gear* If a skill is removed from the game, give any SP back that was sunk into it *: E.g. a 5.000 AUR thingy that lets you drop 1 skill by 1 level, returning you 80% of the SP.

General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 259	Posted - 2013.03.22 07:27:00 - [21] - Quote gbghg wrote: no, besides those skills will be useful in the future dito, if the reset, ALL SP is given back or none at all, been set back at square one since last summer, it happens again, i get all my goddies back, SP, ISK, ARUM, and all modules/suits/vehicles
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 259	Posted - 2013.03.22 07:28:00 - [22] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: Probably to be avoided. I think a number of players buy passive SP boosters with real money. we do
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 259	Posted - 2013.03.22 07:29:00 - [23] - Quote GM Vegas wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: If they do anything to let you reallocate them then everyone would have it all on the best things What's the best thing in game then? What's best today might not be the best tomorrow. Something you could find interesting here though. CCP Eterne wrote: We've only said we won't reset your SP to 0. We haven't said anything about not refunding your SP and allowing you to respec. That option is still on the table prior to release if we feel it will be worthwhile. dual HMG/forge gunner counter-sniper/anti-vehicle splatter, an infantry deflator
Vanda-Kon KILLSTAR CO. 85	Posted - 2013.03.22 07:34:00 - [24] - Quote The ability to respec in other games allowed me to really know what I should specialize in. Fun ensued. Hope CCP does it.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 545	Posted - 2013.03.22 07:35:00 - [25] - Quote General Tiberius1 wrote: gbghg wrote: no, besides those skills will be useful in the future dito, if the reset, ALL SP is given back or none at all, been set back at square one since last summer, it happens again, i get all my goddies back, SP, ISK, ARUM, and all modules/suits/vehicles lol, that might be a little overboard... or a lot.
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 131	Posted - 2013.03.22 07:36:00 - [26] - Quote I'd pay aurum for respec. Not reset. Respec. (bring my sp pool back for a lot of AUR)
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 259	Posted - 2013.03.22 07:48:00 - [27] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: General Tiberius1 wrote: gbghg wrote: no, besides those skills will be useful in the future dito, if the reset, ALL SP is given back or none at all, been set back at square one since last summer, it happens again, i get all my goddies back, SP, ISK, ARUM, and all modules/suits/vehicles lol, that might be a little overboard... or a lot. hey, i've had it all yanked from me one too many times, i can't take losing everything all over again
G Torq ALTA B2O 104	Posted - 2013.03.22 08:00:00 - [28] - Quote Vanda-Kon wrote: The ability to respec in other games allowed me to really know what I should specialize in. Fun ensued. Hope CCP does it. Observation: within 6 months (3 with boosters and regular playing) you should be able to have maxed out at least 1 complete branch such as Assault suit+rifles+armor+various. As such, respecing would not mean a whole lot since after maxing out in 1 direction, you can grow in different direction. Remember, unline most other games, in Dust you grow wide, not tall.
Vanda-Kon KILLSTAR CO. 85	Posted - 2013.03.22 08:05:00 - [29] - Quote G Torq wrote: Vanda-Kon wrote: The ability to respec in other games allowed me to really know what I should specialize in. Fun ensued. Hope CCP does it. Observation: within 6 months (3 with boosters and regular playing) you should be able to have maxed out at least 1 complete branch such as Assault suit+rifles+armor+various. As such, respecing would not mean a whole lot since after maxing out in 1 direction, you can grow in different direction. Remember, unline most other games, in Dust you grow wide, not tall. I went in different directions at times to test things and I wish I could reapply that to things I'm sure about. But I do understand the grow wide part.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 539	Posted - 2013.03.22 08:22:00 - [30] - Quote Respecing in EVE is like farting loudly in church. CCP, please don't make a mess.

G Torq ALTA B2O 104	Posted - 2013.03.22 08:31:00 - [31] - Quote Vanda-Kon wrote: G Torq wrote: Vanda-Kon wrote: The ability to respec in other games allowed me to really know what I should specialize in. Fun ensued. Hope CCP does it. Observation: within 6 months (3 with boosters and regular playing) you should be able to have maxed out at least 1 complete branch such as Assault suit+rifles+armor+various. As such, respecing would not mean a whole lot since after maxing out in 1 direction, you can grow in different direction. Remember, unline most other games, in Dust you grow wide, not tall. I went in different directions at times to test things and I wish I could reapply that to things I'm sure about. But I do understand the grow wide part. I know the feeling - my SP are all over the place Hav confidence, in a month we'll be on track (in some form or another)
Power Chord Chernova Industries 9	Posted - 2013.03.22 09:44:00 - [32] - Quote GM Vegas wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: If they do anything to let you reallocate them then everyone would have it all on the best things What's the best thing in game then? What's best today might not be the best tomorrow. Seeing as no one responded to this Best thing right now is clearly Type B or Vk.1 assault suit stacked up with complex shield extenders in the high and complex shield regulators in the low (one slot saved for a armor repper) along with a Gek 38 or Duvolle assault rifle and smg for back up. Not that other fits can't be good, but
Siege Hearts Tempus Viators 0	Posted - 2013.03.22 10:00:00 - [33] - Quote We need at least a respec for the dropsuit type skill once the racial ones drop.
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 17	Posted - 2013.03.22 12:18:00 - [34] - Quote Personally i think the chance of resetting skills to zero with all sp's being set as unallocated allowing you to rework your char is as good as done. the amount of difference in skillbooks now compared to final release game will be huge and as many have said. this is a beta for testing, its unfair to ask us to test weapons we wouldn't normally train and then be stuck with them and wasted sp's for the rest of the games time. sure there will be some who say that lv1 in every weapon may be usefull at some point but them 12-18k build up into a lv3 or 4 skill that someone would prefer put into a weapon or suit they will actually use. I would love to be able to to re-do my skills i've wasted a fair few in weapons and modules i find no use for, streamlining to what i've become settled in will be great. also i think the way we get certain items will be restructured (liek some changes in eve) and we may end up with a few less skills than we have now after the rebalancing and evening out of the racial dropsuit/weapon skill trees
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 109	Posted - 2013.03.22 12:18:00 - [35] - Quote Power Chord wrote: GM Vegas wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: If they do anything to let you reallocate them then everyone would have it all on the best things What's the best thing in game then? What's best today might not be the best tomorrow. Seeing as no one responded to this Best thing right now is clearly Type B or Vk.1 assault suit stacked up with complex shield extenders in the high and complex shield regulators in the low (one slot saved for a armor repper) along with a Gek 38 or Duvolle assault rifle and smg for back up. Not that other fits can't be good, but Wrong, OP Proto Tanks rule this game right now. It takes intelligent team coordination to take one of these things down and with the selection of blueberries out there right now well LOL. Not to mention the fact that CCP has not given us grouping, proxy chat, nor have they limited Tanks ammo. I mean could you imagine if Heavys had unlimited ammo, never had to reload and could skill up to not over heat, pfff. Orbital Strikes are not even putting a dent in these things right now, and the only thing that proto forge and swarms do is chase them back behind the red line like scared little kittens. Give everyone an SP respec right now and everyone will go Proto Tank, I know I would.
Meconium Blue REGULATORS OF VALOR Orion Empire 0	Posted - 2013.03.24 04:36:00 - [36] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Personally i think the chance of resetting skills to zero with all sp's being set as unallocated allowing you to rework your char is as good as done. the amount of difference in skillbooks now compared to final release game will be huge and as many have said. this is a beta for testing, its unfair to ask us to test weapons we wouldn't normally train and then be stuck with them and wasted sp's for the rest of the games time. sure there will be some who say that lv1 in every weapon may be usefull at some point but them 12-18k build up into a lv3 or 4 skill that someone would prefer put into a weapon or suit they will actually use. I would love to be able to to re-do my skills i've wasted a fair few in weapons and modules i find no use for, streamlining to what i've become settled in will be great. also i think the way we get certain items will be restructured (liek some changes in eve) and we may end up with a few less skills than we have now after the rebalancing and evening out of the racial dropsuit/weapon skill trees I agree, And think that at the end of beta along with any patch's or major changes we should be given the option to reallocate SP due to the added option's the game will have at that time could result in many people wanting to run different skills. As for a refund in AUR I don't think it would be fair to give someone back the AUR they have used to buy items that where then lost in battle, But leaving them with blueprints that they can no longer use is bad so there would need to be some type of selling or trading of items in game before the refund.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.03.24 04:57:00 - [37] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: With the confirmation of not resetting the skill points back to zero. How about skill point reallocation? Since this is a beta I'm sure many have been testing different combinations of suits/vehicles. By now we have a nice picture of what direction we would like to go. Unfortunately a lot of SP was wasted on those test skills. It would be nice if we can have all our SP and put it where we would actually want when the game ends its beta run. Since passive SP counted separately from active we can maybe refund all earned SP and lose passive SP in exchange for an opportunity to reallocate SP. OPINIONS? i've been in the beta since may. we've all reset our skills so many times we're tired of it. be more selective with your sp.
virgindestroyer7 Onslaught Inc 30	Posted - 2013.03.24 10:20:00 - [38] - Quote As much as I can appreciate that EVE you can't respec skills, this is still a shooter game and being unable to vet to reset or respec skill points is kinda unsatisfying. CCP, use your business sense. Charge the kitten out of this. AUR for a respec token or something. Why not? If people will pay keep the masses happy while making $$$. just my 2000 isk.
BlG MAMA PLAYSTATION4 21	Posted - 2013.03.24 11:37:00 - [39] - Quote Respec sounds good , better than losing all the SP we worked for. I dont think i'll be back if i lose my points again.
BlG MAMA PLAYSTATION4 21	Posted - 2013.03.24 11:38:00 - [40] - Quote virgindestroyer7 wrote: As much as I can appreciate that EVE you can't respec skills, this is still a shooter game and being unable to vet to reset or respec skill points is kinda unsatisfying. CCP, use your business sense. Charge the kitten out of this. AUR for a respec token or something. Why not? If people will pay keep the masses happy while making $$$. just my 2000 isk. uhhm its a BETA

Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 216	Posted - 2013.03.24 12:09:00 - [41] - Quote They should implement a system where a character gets a free reallocation a month after it's created, or even three weeks, possibly. That gives the player enough time to figure out what's best to fit his gameplay without wasting time on accumulating SP to train up what he really wants, when he already has that SP in wasted skills. Would be very helpful for newbies.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 133	Posted - 2013.03.24 13:50:00 - [42] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: The option won't be given untill we have 6ore weapons and the 20 new dropsuit skills Not to mention all of the new tank skills and dropships incomming. The number of skills is going to triple sooner than later a reset is obviously coming. And all the testing you've done won't help u pick what to respec into. reading will though, on the description of the incoming racial dropsuits there should be a list of bonuses each one has regarding different things. Of course i can still speculate though, do you understand how annoying it is to have to spec into caldari assault when im almost positive the amar assault is going to have laser bonuses??? Of course im worried they make that whole race an armor tanking race, but will see how it goes.
virgindestroyer7 Onslaught Inc 30	Posted - 2013.03.24 17:27:00 - [43] - Quote BlG MAMA wrote: virgindestroyer7 wrote: As much as I can appreciate that EVE you can't respec skills, this is still a shooter game and being unable to vet to reset or respec skill points is kinda unsatisfying. CCP, use your business sense. Charge the kitten out of this. AUR for a respec token or something. Why not? If people will pay keep the masses happy while making $$$. just my 2000 isk. uhhm its a BETA I guess I'm unclear what your post is suggesting? Sure it's a beta but I'm spending money on the game nonetheless, as are alot of people. Those boosters aren't free hun.. neither is AUR and I bought an exile merc pack for my second character. I'd pay money to respec (if I needed to). I'm sure alot of people would. If I missed something let me know..
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 263	Posted - 2013.03.24 19:02:00 - [44] - Quote GM Vegas wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: If they do anything to let you reallocate them then everyone would have it all on the best things What's the best thing in game then? What's best today might not be the best tomorrow. Something you could find interesting here though. CCP Eterne wrote: We've only said we won't reset your SP to 0. We haven't said anything about not refunding your SP and allowing you to respec. That option is still on the table prior to release if we feel it will be worthwhile. Yes, the fashionable best thing changes by seasons. If you give people ability to respec several times, everyone WILL be using that current Best of the month. Bye bye people with specialication. Bye bye wide variety on the battlefield.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2113	Posted - 2013.03.24 20:38:00 - [45] - Quote Once we get racial suit variants, I want EVERYONE with points in ANY suit that has a new equivalent to have those SP refunded. When we get the Plasma Cannon, I think people with Swarm Launcher skills trained should get a refund. When they add Caldari and Gallente sidearms, resetting SMG and Scrambler skill training would be nice. But as for letting people BUY resets? No thanks. One of the core points is that your decisions MATTER.
Geth Massredux ZionTCD Legacy Rising 104	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:18:00 - [46] - Quote As a aurum player I wasted so much skill points on weapons and tanks thinking they are great to use then coming down to the fact they suck or I just dont use them anymore. I would say reset everything, meaning- skills spec'ed into, your character, etc... And however many skill points we currently have we will get back after the reset. So we all start fresh, and spec into the stuff we want. And this would be good before the next build, supposedly we are getting racial dropsuits ex- amarr assault dropsuit, or galantai heavy dropsuit etc... so we spec into the stuff we want and dont have wasted huge chunks of skills into stuff that is really pointless. Understanding that a lot of people just spec into one thing and have that roll all day long. But seriously if you actually like the game and like discovering what this and that can do, you probably have stuff that is irrelevant to your racial character. For instance- Galantai militia small blasters on a Galantai dropship work amazing and get kills quick, with a Galantai piloting the dropship, other then a Caldari or Amarr race character pilots a Galantai Dropship using militia small blasters, the blasters are plain garbage, useless actually. Hopefully CCP considers a reset, as long as we get are skill points back after the reset.
KaoticKrusader D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 5	Posted - 2013.03.25 02:47:00 - [47] - Quote It is fine as is. As someone else alluding to, you will see an increase of proto tanks with sp allocated. You should be able to know within a week or so the direction you want your character to go. Also, there is 2 other character slot where you can fool around or specialize in.
Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Legacy Rising 58	Posted - 2013.03.25 02:54:00 - [48] - Quote what is a test skill? Unless you trained for nova knives or got some or the more useless skills to 5 you have not wasted points. If you did, somehow, assuming it is even possiable save up and unlock more latter.
Xander Mercy SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 98	Posted - 2013.03.25 17:32:00 - [49] - Quote respecing would be a good idea with all the new stuff coming in the next build
Kitten Commander Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 110	Posted - 2013.03.25 19:03:00 - [50] - Quote I disagree with having a constant ability to respec (or even on a timetable). I think they should allow it once per content build (not for the stabilization builds though) and leave it at that. The only reason I believe this is that it allows people to change based on the new pathways which would lead to more diversity rather than be facing Proto guys with AR Prof 5 and you only have lvl 2 in your current weapon. Regular respecs will just lead to flavor-of-the-month fits as other people have said.

Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES 64	Posted - 2013.03.25 21:01:00 - [51] - Quote BMSTUBBY wrote: Wrong, OP Proto Tanks rule this game right now. My proto forge gun and my squad disagree... Evidenced by the Surya, 2 Madrugars, and Gunnlogi wreckages smoking behind me from yesterday...
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2013.03.25 21:14:00 - [52] - Quote Reset all those with 2mil SP into assault. Give the rest of us reallocation. Also, fix the broken drop suit damage mods. (might as well join the cry fest everyone else has with heavies and tanks)
HECATONCHIRES GYGES Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 153	Posted - 2013.04.03 02:34:00 - [53] - Quote I am so pissed off about this....This is absolute BS. I think a Respec and and Reset are...again bull ***.I have 97 million and from what I here you guys will do this one time Respec and refund us the ISK that we spent on skill books based on current market value?SO what about the rest of my ISK ?What does the criptic crap mean? When did this game become a game for F^&( pU %%^ies
Drake435 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 32	Posted - 2013.04.03 02:48:00 - [54] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Reset all those with 2mil SP into assault. Give the rest of us reallocation. Also, fix the broken drop suit damage mods. (might as well join the cry fest everyone else has with heavies and tanks) sigh Once again damage mods are NOT broken, only the display on the fitting screen is. Link to thread On topic, a respec for this upcoming "Uprising" update is totally fine. They're changing so many things in the game so I guess it would be fair JUST FOR THIS ONE TIME. @HECATONCHIRES: You mean 97 million ISK.......right? Still.....that's a ton of whatever you have.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 713	Posted - 2013.04.03 02:51:00 - [55] - Quote HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: I am so pissed off about this....This is absolute BS. I think a Respec and and Reset are...again bull ***.I have 97 million and from what I here you guys will do this one time Respec and refund us the ISK that we spent on skill books based on current market value?SO what about the rest of my ISK ?What does the criptic crap mean? When did this game become a game for F^&( pU %%^ies.When did this become ok we'll hold your hand....WTH?This is not dog eat dog that I expected from New Eden and the reason I wanted to get involved in this game in the first place....Were spoon feeding people now?Wtf? Well, maybe you can petition CCP for your own personal hard mode and have them reset your character to 0. From what I can gather the skill progression system is so drastically different that it is much less trouble for everyone involved for them to just give back you earned SP so you can re build your character using the new system. That doesn't count as hand holding. So much as the devs basically saying, heck with it. Let those guys figure out what they want their character to be. No way we are going to try to guess what they would have wanted their sp spent on in the new system. It really sounds more like the opposite of hand holding. They are going to allow each and every player the opportunity to really screw up their skill progression all at once. WIth a ton of new items! If they were spoon feeding us they would take the time to reassign all of our sp. But what they are really doing is refunding all the food we will have eaten over the last three months and saying, "Here you go. Here is some food. Now it is up to you to feed yourselves."
Luke Vetri D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 56	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:09:00 - [56] - Quote Will it be bacon?
HECATONCHIRES GYGES Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 153	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:10:00 - [57] - Quote Aighun wrote: HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: I am so pissed off about this....This is absolute BS. I think a Respec and and Reset are...again bull ***.I have 97 million and from what I here you guys will do this one time Respec and refund us the ISK that we spent on skill books based on current market value?SO what about the rest of my ISK ?What does the criptic crap mean? When did this game become a game for F^&( pU %%^ies.When did this become ok we'll hold your hand....WTH?This is not dog eat dog that I expected from New Eden and the reason I wanted to get involved in this game in the first place....Were spoon feeding people now?Wtf? Well, maybe you can petition CCP for your own personal hard mode and have them reset your character to 0. From what I can gather the skill progression system is so drastically different that it is much less trouble for everyone involved for them to just give back you earned SP so you can re build your character using the new system. That doesn't count as hand holding. So much as the devs basically saying, heck with it. Let those guys figure out what they want their character to be. No way we are going to try to guess what they would have wanted their sp spent on in the new system. It really sounds more like the opposite of hand holding. They are going to allow each and every player the opportunity to really screw up their skill progression all at once. WIth a ton of new items! If they were spoon feeding us they would take the time to reassign all of our sp. But what they are really doing is refunding all the food we will have eaten over the last three months and saying, "Here you go. Here is some food. Now it is up to you to feed yourselves." Wrong in so many ways...They already said no more resets now that weve entered the open beta.There are always going to be winners and loosers...and the loosers will always cry....and thats all Im hearing from the "Respec Camp".Sure I got some sp into unwanted skills.How bout you petition them to fix the skills you bought into?For whatever said piece of equipment or skill that you have...You spent your sp on crap Lavs ...live with it.All the good players were closed beta testers believe me they know how to build there guys and assign sp...this in the end will do nothing to change that and even then you will still loose. Because as much as some people cant wrap there egos around it, there are better players than you in this game..sorry to burst yer bubble people. CCP if you do this make them pay AURUM TO DO IT......and use the Aur to make more content.My coworker plays WOW this sounds like what he was saying about Wellfare epics....this has fuckin fail written all over it.
Another Heavy SOB TRUE TEA BAGGERS 12	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:16:00 - [58] - Quote HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: Aighun wrote: HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: I am so pissed off about this....This is absolute BS. I think a Respec and and Reset are...again bull ***.I have 97 million and from what I here you guys will do this one time Respec and refund us the ISK that we spent on skill books based on current market value?SO what about the rest of my ISK ?What does the criptic crap mean? When did this game become a game for F^&( pU %%^ies.When did this become ok we'll hold your hand....WTH?This is not dog eat dog that I expected from New Eden and the reason I wanted to get involved in this game in the first place....Were spoon feeding people now?Wtf? Well, maybe you can petition CCP for your own personal hard mode and have them reset your character to 0. From what I can gather the skill progression system is so drastically different that it is much less trouble for everyone involved for them to just give back you earned SP so you can re build your character using the new system. That doesn't count as hand holding. So much as the devs basically saying, heck with it. Let those guys figure out what they want their character to be. No way we are going to try to guess what they would have wanted their sp spent on in the new system. It really sounds more like the opposite of hand holding. They are going to allow each and every player the opportunity to really screw up their skill progression all at once. WIth a ton of new items! If they were spoon feeding us they would take the time to reassign all of our sp. But what they are really doing is refunding all the food we will have eaten over the last three months and saying, "Here you go. Here is some food. Now it is up to you to feed yourselves." Wrong in so many ways...They already said no more resets now that weve entered the open beta.There are always going to be winners and loosers...and the loosers will always cry....and thats all Im hearing from the "Respec Camp".Sure I got some sp into unwanted skills.How bout you petition them to fix the skills you bought into?For whatever said piece of equipment or skill that you have...You spent your sp on crap Lavs ...live with it. CCP if you do this make them pay AURUM TO DO IT.......My coworker plays WOW this sounds like what he was saying about Wellfare epics....this has fuckin fail written all over it. You just don't get it do you? They're refunding our allocated SP because there are many new skills available and some current skills will be obsolete or have different bonuses per level. This isn't CCP pandering to those wanting a respec, it's their solution to taking away and/or changing existing skills functions that many of us have potentially invested in. It's not going to be a continuously available option.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 749	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:17:00 - [59] - Quote @HECATONCHIRES, They are changing skills. Sharpshooter will now increase accuracy instead of range, and there will no longer be "light weapon" sharpshooter, it will be replaced by "assault rifle" sharpshooter and the like. They are changing lots of skills, a respec seams like the fair thing to do. Again, actually listen to the merc cast before you stop saying stupid ****.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 713	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:27:00 - [60] - Quote HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: Aighun wrote: HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: I am so pissed off about this....This is absolute BS. I think a Respec and and Reset are...again bull ***.I have 97 million and from what I here you guys will do this one time Respec and refund us the ISK that we spent on skill books based on current market value?SO what about the rest of my ISK ?What does the criptic crap mean? When did this game become a game for F^&( pU %%^ies.When did this become ok we'll hold your hand....WTH?This is not dog eat dog that I expected from New Eden and the reason I wanted to get involved in this game in the first place....Were spoon feeding people now?Wtf? Well, maybe you can petition CCP for your own personal hard mode and have them reset your character to 0. From what I can gather the skill progression system is so drastically different that it is much less trouble for everyone involved for them to just give back you earned SP so you can re build your character using the new system. That doesn't count as hand holding. So much as the devs basically saying, heck with it. Let those guys figure out what they want their character to be. No way we are going to try to guess what they would have wanted their sp spent on in the new system. It really sounds more like the opposite of hand holding. They are going to allow each and every player the opportunity to really screw up their skill progression all at once. WIth a ton of new items! If they were spoon feeding us they would take the time to reassign all of our sp. But what they are really doing is refunding all the food we will have eaten over the last three months and saying, "Here you go. Here is some food. Now it is up to you to feed yourselves." Wrong in so many ways...They already said no more resets now that weve entered the open beta.There are always going to be winners and loosers...and the loosers will always cry....and thats all Im hearing from the "Respec Camp".Sure I got some sp into unwanted skills.How bout you petition them to fix the skills you bought into?For whatever said piece of equipment or skill that you have...You spent your sp on crap Lavs ...live with it. CCP if you do this make them pay AURUM TO DO IT......and use the Aur to make more content.My coworker plays WOW this sounds like what he was saying about Wellfare epics....this has fuckin fail written all over it. This isn't a reset. But it sounds like the skill progression system has been so drastically changed that the existing skills do not translate into the new system. It would take far too long and waste countless programming and man hours trying to attempt that translation. So instead they are just having the players do the work for them. That is all. If you think about it, maybe it is CCP who should pay us to respec our characters... It is not about wanted or unwanted skills. It is about finding the most efficient way to get everyone up and running in the new skill progression system without doing a re-set. But yes, i do agree that this has player freak over something that really isn't a big deal written all over it. A player that felt like they did not spend wisely will get the chance to spend again. They might feel like they lucked out. Nothing will gurantee that they will make a better choice this time around. I am going to build one of my characters exactly the same as it is now, or as close as I can get. Hopefully with another character I can skill another all around decent infantry weapon to level 5 besides Gallente Assault rifle. One of the problems with the current skill system and weapons is that a lot of us skilled assault rifle just to have a fighting chance. Not because we liked that weapon or even wanted to use it. Hopefully now there will be some alternatives. Some player might make almost the exact same character that they have now. I really don't see much of an issue with this. If it happens again in three months, yeah. Then it will be a problem. But hopefully this is the last time we will see an across the board change. And future SP refunds will just be for specific skill trees or items if they get changed or removed from the game.

Dalton Smithe OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 75	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:28:00 - [61] - Quote Another Heavy SOB wrote: HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: Aighun wrote: HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: I am so pissed off about this....This is absolute BS. I think a Respec and and Reset are...again bull ***.I have 97 million and from what I here you guys will do this one time Respec and refund us the ISK that we spent on skill books based on current market value?SO what about the rest of my ISK ?What does the criptic crap mean? When did this game become a game for F^&( pU %%^ies.When did this become ok we'll hold your hand....WTH?This is not dog eat dog that I expected from New Eden and the reason I wanted to get involved in this game in the first place....Were spoon feeding people now?Wtf? Well, maybe you can petition CCP for your own personal hard mode and have them reset your character to 0. From what I can gather the skill progression system is so drastically different that it is much less trouble for everyone involved for them to just give back you earned SP so you can re build your character using the new system. That doesn't count as hand holding. So much as the devs basically saying, heck with it. Let those guys figure out what they want their character to be. No way we are going to try to guess what they would have wanted their sp spent on in the new system. It really sounds more like the opposite of hand holding. They are going to allow each and eveory player the opportunity to really screw up their skill progression all at once. WIth a ton of new items! If they were spoon feeding us they would take the time to reassign all of our sp. But what they are really doing is refunding all the food we will have eaten over the last three months and saying, "Here you go. Here is some food. Now it is up to you to feed yourselves." Wrong in so many ways...They already said no more resets now that weve entered the open beta.There are always going to be winners and loosers...and the loosers will always cry....and thats all Im hearing from the "Respec Camp".Sure I got some sp into unwanted skills.How bout you petition them to fix the skills you bought into?For whatever said piece of equipment or skill that you have...You spent your sp on crap Lavs ...live with it. CCP if you do this make them pay AURUM TO DO IT.......My coworker plays WOW this sounds like what he was saying about Wellfare epics....this has fuckin fail written all over it. You just don't get it do you? They're refunding our allocated SP because there are many new skills available and some current skills will be obsolete or have different bonuses per level. This isn't CCP pandering to those wanting a respec, it's their solution to taking away and/or changing existing skills functions that many of us have potentially invested in. It's not going to be a continuously available option. I figured this was going to happen. This right here is the truth and its the easiest way for CCP to make it work. If your worried about your ISK, don't. Your going to make plenty as the contracts roll in and the dropsuits are supplied by your alliance/corp. Personally if the didn't do a respect it wouldn't phase me, but since they are, I intend on taking advantage of it....
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 750	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:30:00 - [62] - Quote Aighun wrote: If it happens again in three months, yeah. Then it will be a problem. But hopefully this is the last time we will see an across the board change. They did say this would be the final skill system, so I'm guessing no more respecs after this one, barring new items of course.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 713	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:35:00 - [63] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Aighun wrote: If it happens again in three months, yeah. Then it will be a problem. But hopefully this is the last time we will see an across the board change. They did say this would be the final skill system, so I'm guessing no more respecs after this one, barring new items of course. Yes. They were even throwing around the word "release" a lot. Almost blatantly. Hmmm.
HECATONCHIRES GYGES Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 153	Posted - 2013.04.03 04:01:00 - [64] - Quote CPP will put in more skills from what you said weapon specific skills,give us our current Sp and people will still make mistakes on assigning there Sp.People will still cry and people like me will still build there characters right.Now youll just have to Put Sharpshooter into everything instead of just changing to another fit on the next spawn and using a laser.Now 2 million sp you spent into LWSS+LWSS pro is 2 for Mass,2 for laser,2 for AR,2 for shotgun,2 for sniper rifle....oh yeah this is a great idea. In the end this isnt going to affect my game at all.All this is really gonna do is mathematically change what your doing with 7million sp now and make it take 3 times as much.If they put in new skills then people should be reading them.I dont understand.Are there people really buying like 5 levels at a time into something and not knowing if they like it?Isnt that what the other slots are for?Wouldnt you just buy 1 level into something and then what are you out 37k...so whats the problem? It doesn't matter....it really doesn't. .If future skills come out and they dont work as intended then CPP should give back the sp .If they cant get it working right. Ill adapt.I dont have a problem with my character now....I know how to read skill descriptions.....
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 750	Posted - 2013.04.03 04:07:00 - [65] - Quote HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: .I know how to read skill descriptions It doesn't matter how well you can read descriptions, if the descriptions change after you've already skilled into them. Sharpshooter will no longer increase range. It's that simple.
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 56	Posted - 2013.04.03 04:51:00 - [66] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: dent 308 wrote: Respec in eve is only for attributes, not the SP you already have. Yet eve players do get refunds to respec when skills are changed It has happened in EvE but I don't think they were total respec only in skills dropped or major changes.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 714	Posted - 2013.04.03 05:39:00 - [67] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: .I know how to read skill descriptions It doesn't matter how well you can read descriptions, if the descriptions/effects change after you've already skilled into them. Sharpshooter will no longer increase range for instance. It's that simple. You could parse it that way. Yes. For the assault rifle. But will there be a skill for laser rifle sharpshooter that will increase maximum range? SInce there is no bullet spread and the beam is pinpoint accurate, would it make sense to have laswer rifle sharp shooter give that weapon a longer range? It might. Will there be a different sharp shooter skill for each weapon or class of weapons that has a unique effect? How will it all work? Not enough info out just yet to read the future. But we will also get a spread sheet of everything so someone out there can figure it all out.
HECATONCHIRES GYGES Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 153	Posted - 2013.04.03 23:07:00 - [68] - Quote Another Heavy SOB wrote: HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: Aighun wrote: HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: I am so pissed off about this....This is absolute BS. I think a Respec and and Reset are...again bull ***.I have 97 million and from what I here you guys will do this one time Respec and refund us the ISK that we spent on skill books based on current market value?SO what about the rest of my ISK ?What does the criptic crap mean? When did this game become a game for F^&( pU %%^ies.When did this become ok we'll hold your hand....WTH?This is not dog eat dog that I expected from New Eden and the reason I wanted to get involved in this game in the first place....Were spoon feeding people now?Wtf? Well, maybe you can petition CCP for your own personal hard mode and have them reset your character to 0. From what I can gather the skill progression system is so drastically different that it is much less trouble for everyone involved for them to just give back you earned SP so you can re build your character using the new system. That doesn't count as hand holding. So much as the devs basically saying, heck with it. Let those guys figure out what they want their character to be. No way we are going to try to guess what they would have wanted their sp spent on in the new system. It really sounds more like the opposite of hand holding. They are going to allow each and every player the opportunity to really screw up their skill progression all at once. WIth a ton of new items! If they were spoon feeding us they would take the time to reassign all of our sp. But what they are really doing is refunding all the food we will have eaten over the last three months and saying, "Here you go. Here is some food. Now it is up to you to feed yourselves." Wrong in so many ways...They already said no more resets now that weve entered the open beta.There are always going to be winners and loosers...and the loosers will always cry....and thats all Im hearing from the "Respec Camp".Sure I got some sp into unwanted skills.How bout you petition them to fix the skills you bought into?For whatever said piece of equipment or skill that you have...You spent your sp on crap Lavs ...live with it. CCP if you do this make them pay AURUM TO DO IT.......My coworker plays WOW this sounds like what he was saying about Wellfare epics....this has fuckin fail written all over it. You just don't get it do you? They're refunding our allocated SP because there are many new skills available and some current skills will be obsolete or have different bonuses per level. This isn't CCP pandering to those wanting a respec, it's their solution to taking away and/or changing existing skills functions that many of us have potentially invested in. It's not going to be a continuously available option. What dont you get?If the make each wepon need it own Sharpshooter skill how far do you think your skill points will go when Hmg Sharpshooter is different than Forge Sharpshooter Imagine what level you are on now in Heavy weapon sharpshooter(I assume you're a hvy cuz of your pic) then imagine that was just for HMGs not both HMG/FORGE you see what Im getting at?What the fk is the point of the Respec and changing of the skill tree, when youll need 3 or 4 times the sp you have now to be the same character. YOU just dont get it do you?
Illendar Cortharis Digital Mercs 0	Posted - 2013.04.03 23:21:00 - [69] - Quote What's CCPs situation and potential resolution to CEOs losing skills in the Corp tree? Would that not cause DUST CEOs to have their corps disbanded entirely? Or will that skill tree be unaffected by the reset?
Domingo Cervezas Cult of the Warrior 15	Posted - 2013.04.04 00:55:00 - [70] - Quote They said they would not reset characters to zero after the live beta starts "unless there were extenuating circumstances." Well I think that circumstance has been found: SP farmers.

Spademan Hydra II-Omega 8	Posted - 2013.04.04 00:58:00 - [71] - Quote Illendar Cortharis wrote: What's CCPs situation and potential resolution to CEOs losing skills in the Corp tree? Would that not cause DUST CEOs to have their corps disbanded entirely? Or will that skill tree be unaffected by the reset? No, while the skills are required to own and expand the corp, ownership CAN be transferred to someone without the required skills, they just wont be able to add anyone to the corp until they gain the skills required.
Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Legacy Rising 59	Posted - 2013.04.04 01:19:00 - [72] - Quote I am amazed CCP is caving into whiners who picked 'the wrong skills' as if that is somehow possible in a open ended game where everything is called OP, I bet the same people who want a reset will still level nova knives to 5. Its not a deal breaker to me on playing the game, but it will be a ***** to bring everything back to normal. Some people have a brain and are leveling things they are using. The only regret I have with this char is not picking the sentinal for a starter class so I could get free forge guns and heavy suit when ever I wanted. I got sever logastics anyway, so a free heavy is a good thing too.
Spademan Hydra II-Omega 8	Posted - 2013.04.04 01:24:00 - [73] - Quote I believe the re-spec is more due to the fact that there will be a multitude of skill being changed and added, rather than "caving into whiners"
Illendar Cortharis Digital Mercs 1	Posted - 2013.04.04 03:30:00 - [74] - Quote Spademan wrote: Illendar Cortharis wrote: What's CCPs situation and potential resolution to CEOs losing skills in the Corp tree? Would that not cause DUST CEOs to have their corps disbanded entirely? Or will that skill tree be unaffected by the reset? No, while the skills are required to own and expand the corp, ownership CAN be transferred to someone without the required skills, they just wont be able to add anyone to the corp until they gain the skills required. So then would CEOs remain owners until they boosted their skills to the level which would allow them to function as CEOs? As my understanding goes, Ownership cannot be transferred to a player who does not have the skill requirements of the current CEO, but I could be wrong on this.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 753	Posted - 2013.04.04 03:46:00 - [75] - Quote Illendar Cortharis wrote: Spademan wrote: Illendar Cortharis wrote: What's CCPs situation and potential resolution to CEOs losing skills in the Corp tree? Would that not cause DUST CEOs to have their corps disbanded entirely? Or will that skill tree be unaffected by the reset? No, while the skills are required to own and expand the corp, ownership CAN be transferred to someone without the required skills, they just wont be able to add anyone to the corp until they gain the skills required. So then would CEOs remain owners until they boosted their skills to the level which would allow them to function as CEOs? As my understanding goes, Ownership cannot be transferred to a player who does not have the skill requirements of the current CEO, but I could be wrong on this. You're indeed wrong. The Corp will keep the highest member count limit that it ever attained. You can also pass the Corp onto someone who doesn't have the skills.
Veritas Vitae Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 108	Posted - 2013.04.04 03:53:00 - [76] - Quote Patoman Radiant wrote: I am amazed CCP is caving into whiners who picked 'the wrong skills' as if that is somehow possible in a open ended game where everything is called OP, I bet the same people who want a reset will still level nova knives to 5. Its not a deal breaker to me on playing the game, but it will be a ***** to bring everything back to normal. Some people have a brain and are leveling things they are using. I'll forgive you if you didn't listen to the podcast, because then you would know this isn't the case. CCP is refunding SP because they are overhauling the skill system; adding new skills for all the new weapons and dropsuits, as well as altering existing skills, and removing secondary and tertiary skill requirements. That means that if they didn't allow a respecc, people would be "locked out" of something just because it wasn't included in the limited options available to us at character creation after final wipe before open beta. That's what they are being kind enough to alleviate, which also means that testing can be done on a wide scale on all the new gear sooner. People being able to fix their skill trees is just an extra benefit to this.


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