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Dalton Smithe
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
75
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Posted - 2013.04.03 03:28:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Aighun wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:I am so pissed off about this....This is absolute BS. I think a Respec and and Reset are...again bull ****.I have 97 million and from what I here you guys will do this one time Respec and refund us the ISK that we spent on skill books based on current market value?SO what about the rest of my ISK ?What does the criptic crap mean?
When did this game become a game for F^&*( pU %%^ies.When did this become ok we'll hold your hand....WTH?This is not dog eat dog that I expected from New Eden and the reason I wanted to get involved in this game in the first place....Were spoon feeding people now?Wtf? Well, maybe you can petition CCP for your own personal hard mode and have them reset your character to 0. From what I can gather the skill progression system is so drastically different that it is much less trouble for everyone involved for them to just give back you earned SP so you can re build your character using the new system. That doesn't count as hand holding. So much as the devs basically saying, heck with it. Let those guys figure out what they want their character to be. No way we are going to try to guess what they would have wanted their sp spent on in the new system. It really sounds more like the opposite of hand holding. They are going to allow each and eveory player the opportunity to really screw up their skill progression all at once. WIth a ton of new items! If they were spoon feeding us they would take the time to reassign all of our sp. But what they are really doing is refunding all the food we will have eaten over the last three months and saying, "Here you go. Here is some food. Now it is up to you to feed yourselves." Wrong in so many ways...They already said no more resets now that weve entered the open beta.There are always going to be winners and loosers...and the loosers will always cry....and thats all Im hearing from the "Respec Camp".Sure I got some sp into unwanted skills.How bout you petition them to fix the skills you bought into?For whatever said piece of equipment or skill that you have...You spent your sp on crap Lavs ...live with it. CCP if you do this make them pay AURUM TO DO IT.......My coworker plays WOW this sounds like what he was saying about Wellfare epics....this has fuckin fail written all over it. You just don't get it do you? They're refunding our allocated SP because there are many new skills available and some current skills will be obsolete or have different bonuses per level. This isn't CCP pandering to those wanting a respec, it's their solution to taking away and/or changing existing skills functions that many of us have potentially invested in. It's not going to be a continuously available option.
I figured this was going to happen. This right here is the truth and its the easiest way for CCP to make it work. If your worried about your ISK, don't. Your going to make plenty as the contracts roll in and the dropsuits are supplied by your alliance/corp. Personally if the didn't do a respect it wouldn't phase me, but since they are, I intend on taking advantage of it.... |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
750
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Posted - 2013.04.03 03:30:00 -
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Aighun wrote:
If it happens again in three months, yeah. Then it will be a problem. But hopefully this is the last time we will see an across the board change.
They did say this would be the final skill system, so I'm guessing no more respecs after this one, barring new items of course. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
713
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Posted - 2013.04.03 03:35:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Aighun wrote:
If it happens again in three months, yeah. Then it will be a problem. But hopefully this is the last time we will see an across the board change.
They did say this would be the final skill system, so I'm guessing no more respecs after this one, barring new items of course.
Yes. They were even throwing around the word "release" a lot. Almost blatantly. Hmmm. |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
153
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Posted - 2013.04.03 04:01:00 -
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CPP will put in more skills from what you said weapon specific skills,give us our current Sp and people will still make mistakes on assigning there Sp.People will still cry and people like me will still build there characters right.Now youll just have to Put Sharpshooter into everything instead of just changing to another fit on the next spawn and using a laser.Now 2 million sp you spent into LWSS+LWSS pro is 2 for Mass,2 for laser,2 for AR,2 for shotgun,2 for sniper rifle....oh yeah this is a great idea.
In the end this isnt going to affect my game at all.All this is really gonna do is mathematically change what your doing with 7million sp now and make it take 3 times as much.If they put in new skills then people should be reading them.I dont understand.Are there people really buying like 5 levels at a time into something and not knowing if they like it?Isnt that what the other slots are for?Wouldnt you just buy 1 level into something and then what are you out 37k...so whats the problem?
It doesn't matter....it really doesn't.
.If future skills come out and they dont work as intended then CPP should give back the sp .If they cant get it working right.
Ill adapt.I dont have a problem with my character now....I know how to read skill descriptions..... |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
750
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Posted - 2013.04.03 04:07:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:.I know how to read skill descriptions
It doesn't matter how well you can read descriptions, if the descriptions change after you've already skilled into them.
Sharpshooter will no longer increase range. It's that simple. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
56
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Posted - 2013.04.03 04:51:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:dent 308 wrote:Respec in eve is only for attributes, not the SP you already have. Yet eve players do get refunds to respec when skills are changed
It has happened in EvE but I don't think they were total respec only in skills dropped or major changes. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
714
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Posted - 2013.04.03 05:39:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:.I know how to read skill descriptions It doesn't matter how well you can read descriptions, if the descriptions/effects change after you've already skilled into them. Sharpshooter will no longer increase range for instance. It's that simple.
You could parse it that way. Yes. For the assault rifle. But will there be a skill for laser rifle sharpshooter that will increase maximum range? SInce there is no bullet spread and the beam is pinpoint accurate, would it make sense to have laswer rifle sharp shooter give that weapon a longer range? It might.
Will there be a different sharp shooter skill for each weapon or class of weapons that has a unique effect?
How will it all work? Not enough info out just yet to read the future. But we will also get a spread sheet of everything so someone out there can figure it all out.
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
153
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Posted - 2013.04.03 23:07:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Aighun wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:I am so pissed off about this....This is absolute BS. I think a Respec and and Reset are...again bull ****.I have 97 million and from what I here you guys will do this one time Respec and refund us the ISK that we spent on skill books based on current market value?SO what about the rest of my ISK ?What does the criptic crap mean?
When did this game become a game for F^&*( pU %%^ies.When did this become ok we'll hold your hand....WTH?This is not dog eat dog that I expected from New Eden and the reason I wanted to get involved in this game in the first place....Were spoon feeding people now?Wtf? Well, maybe you can petition CCP for your own personal hard mode and have them reset your character to 0. From what I can gather the skill progression system is so drastically different that it is much less trouble for everyone involved for them to just give back you earned SP so you can re build your character using the new system. That doesn't count as hand holding. So much as the devs basically saying, heck with it. Let those guys figure out what they want their character to be. No way we are going to try to guess what they would have wanted their sp spent on in the new system. It really sounds more like the opposite of hand holding. They are going to allow each and every player the opportunity to really screw up their skill progression all at once. WIth a ton of new items! If they were spoon feeding us they would take the time to reassign all of our sp. But what they are really doing is refunding all the food we will have eaten over the last three months and saying, "Here you go. Here is some food. Now it is up to you to feed yourselves." Wrong in so many ways...They already said no more resets now that weve entered the open beta.There are always going to be winners and loosers...and the loosers will always cry....and thats all Im hearing from the "Respec Camp".Sure I got some sp into unwanted skills.How bout you petition them to fix the skills you bought into?For whatever said piece of equipment or skill that you have...You spent your sp on crap Lavs ...live with it. CCP if you do this make them pay AURUM TO DO IT.......My coworker plays WOW this sounds like what he was saying about Wellfare epics....this has fuckin fail written all over it. You just don't get it do you? They're refunding our allocated SP because there are many new skills available and some current skills will be obsolete or have different bonuses per level. This isn't CCP pandering to those wanting a respec, it's their solution to taking away and/or changing existing skills functions that many of us have potentially invested in. It's not going to be a continuously available option.
What dont you get?If the make each wepon need it own Sharpshooter skill how far do you think your skill points will go when Hmg Sharpshooter is different than Forge Sharpshooter Imagine what level you are on now in Heavy weapon sharpshooter(I assume you're a hvy cuz of your pic) then imagine that was just for HMGs not both HMG/FORGE
you see what Im getting at?What the fk is the point of the Respec and changing of the skill tree, when youll need 3 or 4 times the sp you have now to be the same character.
YOU just dont get it do you? |
Illendar Cortharis
Digital Mercs
0
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Posted - 2013.04.03 23:21:00 -
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What's CCPs situation and potential resolution to CEOs losing skills in the Corp tree? Would that not cause DUST CEOs to have their corps disbanded entirely?
Or will that skill tree be unaffected by the reset? |
Domingo Cervezas
Cult of the Warrior
15
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Posted - 2013.04.04 00:55:00 -
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They said they would not reset characters to zero after the live beta starts "unless there were extenuating circumstances." Well I think that circumstance has been found: SP farmers. |
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Spademan
Hydra II-Omega
8
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Posted - 2013.04.04 00:58:00 -
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Illendar Cortharis wrote:What's CCPs situation and potential resolution to CEOs losing skills in the Corp tree? Would that not cause DUST CEOs to have their corps disbanded entirely?
Or will that skill tree be unaffected by the reset?
No, while the skills are required to own and expand the corp, ownership CAN be transferred to someone without the required skills, they just wont be able to add anyone to the corp until they gain the skills required. |
Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
59
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Posted - 2013.04.04 01:19:00 -
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I am amazed CCP is caving into whiners who picked 'the wrong skills' as if that is somehow possible in a open ended game where everything is called OP,
I bet the same people who want a reset will still level nova knives to 5.
Its not a deal breaker to me on playing the game, but it will be a ***** to bring everything back to normal. Some people have a brain and are leveling things they are using.
The only regret I have with this char is not picking the sentinal for a starter class so I could get free forge guns and heavy suit when ever I wanted. I got sever logastics anyway, so a free heavy is a good thing too. |
Spademan
Hydra II-Omega
8
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Posted - 2013.04.04 01:24:00 -
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I believe the re-spec is more due to the fact that there will be a multitude of skill being changed and added, rather than "caving into whiners" |
Illendar Cortharis
Digital Mercs
1
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Posted - 2013.04.04 03:30:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Illendar Cortharis wrote:What's CCPs situation and potential resolution to CEOs losing skills in the Corp tree? Would that not cause DUST CEOs to have their corps disbanded entirely?
Or will that skill tree be unaffected by the reset? No, while the skills are required to own and expand the corp, ownership CAN be transferred to someone without the required skills, they just wont be able to add anyone to the corp until they gain the skills required.
So then would CEOs remain owners until they boosted their skills to the level which would allow them to function as CEOs?
As my understanding goes, Ownership cannot be transferred to a player who does not have the skill requirements of the current CEO, but I could be wrong on this. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
753
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Posted - 2013.04.04 03:46:00 -
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Illendar Cortharis wrote:Spademan wrote:Illendar Cortharis wrote:What's CCPs situation and potential resolution to CEOs losing skills in the Corp tree? Would that not cause DUST CEOs to have their corps disbanded entirely?
Or will that skill tree be unaffected by the reset? No, while the skills are required to own and expand the corp, ownership CAN be transferred to someone without the required skills, they just wont be able to add anyone to the corp until they gain the skills required. So then would CEOs remain owners until they boosted their skills to the level which would allow them to function as CEOs? As my understanding goes, Ownership cannot be transferred to a player who does not have the skill requirements of the current CEO, but I could be wrong on this.
You're indeed wrong. The Corp will keep the highest member count limit that it ever attained. You can also pass the Corp onto someone who doesn't have the skills. |
Veritas Vitae
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
108
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Posted - 2013.04.04 03:53:00 -
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Patoman Radiant wrote:I am amazed CCP is caving into whiners who picked 'the wrong skills' as if that is somehow possible in a open ended game where everything is called OP,
I bet the same people who want a reset will still level nova knives to 5.
Its not a deal breaker to me on playing the game, but it will be a ***** to bring everything back to normal. Some people have a brain and are leveling things they are using.
I'll forgive you if you didn't listen to the podcast, because then you would know this isn't the case.
CCP is refunding SP because they are overhauling the skill system; adding new skills for all the new weapons and dropsuits, as well as altering existing skills, and removing secondary and tertiary skill requirements. That means that if they didn't allow a respecc, people would be "locked out" of something just because it wasn't included in the limited options available to us at character creation after final wipe before open beta. That's what they are being kind enough to alleviate, which also means that testing can be done on a wide scale on all the new gear sooner.
People being able to fix their skill trees is just an extra benefit to this. |
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