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G Torq
ALTA B2O
104
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Posted - 2013.03.22 08:31:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:G Torq wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:The ability to respec in other games allowed me to really know what I should specialize in. Fun ensued. Hope CCP does it. Observation: within 6 months (3 with boosters and regular playing) you should be able to have maxed out at least 1 complete branch such as Assault suit+rifles+armor+various. As such, respecing would not mean a whole lot since after maxing out in 1 direction, you can grow in different direction. Remember, unline most other games, in Dust you grow wide, not tall. I went in different directions at times to test things and I wish I could reapply that to things I'm sure about. But I do understand the grow wide part. I know the feeling - my SP are all over the place Hav confidence, in a month we'll be on track (in some form or another) |
Power Chord
Chernova Industries
9
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Posted - 2013.03.22 09:44:00 -
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GM Vegas wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:If they do anything to let you reallocate them then everyone would have it all on the best things What's the best thing in game then? What's best today might not be the best tomorrow. Seeing as no one responded to this
Best thing right now is clearly Type B or Vk.1 assault suit stacked up with complex shield extenders in the high and complex shield regulators in the low (one slot saved for a armor repper) along with a Gek 38 or Duvolle assault rifle and smg for back up.
Not that other fits can't be good, but |
Siege Hearts
Tempus Viators
0
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Posted - 2013.03.22 10:00:00 -
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We need at least a respec for the dropsuit type skill once the racial ones drop. |
Nirwanda Vaughns
426th Infantry
17
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:18:00 -
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Personally i think the chance of resetting skills to zero with all sp's being set as unallocated allowing you to rework your char is as good as done. the amount of difference in skillbooks now compared to final release game will be huge and as many have said. this is a beta for testing, its unfair to ask us to test weapons we wouldn't normally train and then be stuck with them and wasted sp's for the rest of the games time. sure there will be some who say that lv1 in every weapon may be usefull at some point but them 12-18k build up into a lv3 or 4 skill that someone would prefer put into a weapon or suit they will actually use. I would love to be able to to re-do my skills i've wasted a fair few in weapons and modules i find no use for, streamlining to what i've become settled in will be great. also i think the way we get certain items will be restructured (liek some changes in eve) and we may end up with a few less skills than we have now after the rebalancing and evening out of the racial dropsuit/weapon skill trees |
BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
109
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:18:00 -
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Power Chord wrote:GM Vegas wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:If they do anything to let you reallocate them then everyone would have it all on the best things What's the best thing in game then? What's best today might not be the best tomorrow. Seeing as no one responded to this Best thing right now is clearly Type B or Vk.1 assault suit stacked up with complex shield extenders in the high and complex shield regulators in the low (one slot saved for a armor repper) along with a Gek 38 or Duvolle assault rifle and smg for back up. Not that other fits can't be good, but
Wrong, OP Proto Tanks rule this game right now.
It takes intelligent team coordination to take one of these things down and with the selection of blueberries out there right now well LOL.
Not to mention the fact that CCP has not given us grouping, proxy chat, nor have they limited Tanks ammo. I mean could you imagine if Heavys had unlimited ammo, never had to reload and could skill up to not over heat, pfff.
Orbital Strikes are not even putting a dent in these things right now, and the only thing that proto forge and swarms do is chase them back behind the red line like scared little kittens.
Give everyone an SP respec right now and everyone will go Proto Tank, I know I would. |
Meconium Blue
REGULATORS OF VALOR Orion Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.24 04:36:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:Personally i think the chance of resetting skills to zero with all sp's being set as unallocated allowing you to rework your char is as good as done. the amount of difference in skillbooks now compared to final release game will be huge and as many have said. this is a beta for testing, its unfair to ask us to test weapons we wouldn't normally train and then be stuck with them and wasted sp's for the rest of the games time. sure there will be some who say that lv1 in every weapon may be usefull at some point but them 12-18k build up into a lv3 or 4 skill that someone would prefer put into a weapon or suit they will actually use. I would love to be able to to re-do my skills i've wasted a fair few in weapons and modules i find no use for, streamlining to what i've become settled in will be great. also i think the way we get certain items will be restructured (liek some changes in eve) and we may end up with a few less skills than we have now after the rebalancing and evening out of the racial dropsuit/weapon skill trees
I agree, And think that at the end of beta along with any patch's or major changes we should be given the option to reallocate SP due to the added option's the game will have at that time could result in many people wanting to run different skills. As for a refund in AUR I don't think it would be fair to give someone back the AUR they have used to buy items that where then lost in battle, But leaving them with blueprints that they can no longer use is bad so there would need to be some type of selling or trading of items in game before the refund. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.03.24 04:57:00 -
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Sir Snugglz wrote:With the confirmation of not resetting the skill points back to zero. How about skill point reallocation? Since this is a beta I'm sure many have been testing different combinations of suits/vehicles. By now we have a nice picture of what direction we would like to go. Unfortunately a lot of SP was wasted on those test skills. It would be nice if we can have all our SP and put it where we would actually want when the game ends its beta run. Since passive SP counted separately from active we can maybe refund all earned SP and lose passive SP in exchange for an opportunity to reallocate SP.
OPINIONS?
i've been in the beta since may. we've all reset our skills so many times we're tired of it. be more selective with your sp. |
virgindestroyer7
Onslaught Inc
30
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Posted - 2013.03.24 10:20:00 -
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As much as I can appreciate that EVE you can't respec skills, this is still a shooter game and being unable to vet to reset or respec skill points is kinda unsatisfying.
CCP, use your business sense. Charge the kitten out of this. AUR for a respec token or something. Why not? If people will pay keep the masses happy while making $$$.
just my 2000 isk. |
BlG MAMA
PLAYSTATION4
21
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Posted - 2013.03.24 11:37:00 -
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Respec sounds good , better than losing all the SP we worked for.
I dont think i'll be back if i lose my points again. |
BlG MAMA
PLAYSTATION4
21
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Posted - 2013.03.24 11:38:00 -
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virgindestroyer7 wrote:As much as I can appreciate that EVE you can't respec skills, this is still a shooter game and being unable to vet to reset or respec skill points is kinda unsatisfying.
CCP, use your business sense. Charge the kitten out of this. AUR for a respec token or something. Why not? If people will pay keep the masses happy while making $$$.
just my 2000 isk. uhhm its a BETA
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Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
216
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Posted - 2013.03.24 12:09:00 -
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They should implement a system where a character gets a free reallocation a month after it's created, or even three weeks, possibly.
That gives the player enough time to figure out what's best to fit his gameplay without wasting time on accumulating SP to train up what he really wants, when he already has that SP in wasted skills. Would be very helpful for newbies. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
133
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:50:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:The option won't be given untill we have 6ore weapons and the 20 new dropsuit skills
Not to mention all of the new tank skills and dropships incomming. The number of skills is going to triple sooner than later a reset is obviously coming. And all the testing you've done won't help u pick what to respec into.
reading will though, on the description of the incoming racial dropsuits there should be a list of bonuses each one has regarding different things. Of course i can still speculate though, do you understand how annoying it is to have to spec into caldari assault when im almost positive the amar assault is going to have laser bonuses??? Of course im worried they make that whole race an armor tanking race, but will see how it goes. |
virgindestroyer7
Onslaught Inc
30
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Posted - 2013.03.24 17:27:00 -
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BlG MAMA wrote:virgindestroyer7 wrote:As much as I can appreciate that EVE you can't respec skills, this is still a shooter game and being unable to vet to reset or respec skill points is kinda unsatisfying.
CCP, use your business sense. Charge the kitten out of this. AUR for a respec token or something. Why not? If people will pay keep the masses happy while making $$$.
just my 2000 isk. uhhm its a BETA
I guess I'm unclear what your post is suggesting? Sure it's a beta but I'm spending money on the game nonetheless, as are alot of people. Those boosters aren't free hun.. neither is AUR and I bought an exile merc pack for my second character. I'd pay money to respec (if I needed to). I'm sure alot of people would.
If I missed something let me know..
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KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
263
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Posted - 2013.03.24 19:02:00 -
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GM Vegas wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:If they do anything to let you reallocate them then everyone would have it all on the best things What's the best thing in game then? What's best today might not be the best tomorrow. Something you could find interesting here though. CCP Eterne wrote:We've only said we won't reset your SP to 0. We haven't said anything about not refunding your SP and allowing you to respec. That option is still on the table prior to release if we feel it will be worthwhile.
Yes, the fashionable best thing changes by seasons. If you give people ability to respec several times, everyone WILL be using that current Best of the month.
Bye bye people with specialication. Bye bye wide variety on the battlefield. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2113
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Posted - 2013.03.24 20:38:00 -
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Once we get racial suit variants, I want EVERYONE with points in ANY suit that has a new equivalent to have those SP refunded. When we get the Plasma Cannon, I think people with Swarm Launcher skills trained should get a refund. When they add Caldari and Gallente sidearms, resetting SMG and Scrambler skill training would be nice.
But as for letting people BUY resets? No thanks. One of the core points is that your decisions MATTER. |
Geth Massredux
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
104
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:18:00 -
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As a aurum player I wasted so much skill points on weapons and tanks thinking they are great to use then coming down to the fact they suck or I just dont use them anymore. I would say reset everything, meaning- skills spec'ed into, your character, etc... And however many skill points we currently have we will get back after the reset. So we all start fresh, and spec into the stuff we want. And this would be good before the next build, supposedly we are getting racial dropsuits ex- amarr assault dropsuit, or galantai heavy dropsuit etc...
so we spec into the stuff we want and dont have wasted huge chunks of skills into stuff that is really pointless.
Understanding that a lot of people just spec into one thing and have that roll all day long. But seriously if you actually like the game and like discovering what this and that can do, you probably have stuff that is irrelevant to your racial character. For instance- Galantai militia small blasters on a Galantai dropship work amazing and get kills quick, with a Galantai piloting the dropship, other then a Caldari or Amarr race character pilots a Galantai Dropship using militia small blasters, the blasters are plain garbage, useless actually. Hopefully CCP considers a reset, as long as we get are skill points back after the reset. |
KaoticKrusader
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.03.25 02:47:00 -
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It is fine as is. As someone else alluding to, you will see an increase of proto tanks with sp allocated. You should be able to know within a week or so the direction you want your character to go. Also, there is 2 other character slot where you can fool around or specialize in. |
Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
58
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Posted - 2013.03.25 02:54:00 -
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what is a test skill? Unless you trained for nova knives or got some or the more useless skills to 5 you have not wasted points.
If you did, somehow, assuming it is even possiable save up and unlock more latter.
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Xander Mercy
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
98
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Posted - 2013.03.25 17:32:00 -
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respecing would be a good idea with all the new stuff coming in the next build |
Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2013.03.25 19:03:00 -
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I disagree with having a constant ability to respec (or even on a timetable). I think they should allow it once per content build (not for the stabilization builds though) and leave it at that. The only reason I believe this is that it allows people to change based on the new pathways which would lead to more diversity rather than be facing Proto guys with AR Prof 5 and you only have lvl 2 in your current weapon.
Regular respecs will just lead to flavor-of-the-month fits as other people have said. |
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Kaze Eyrou
ROGUE SPADES
64
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Posted - 2013.03.25 21:01:00 -
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BMSTUBBY wrote:Wrong, OP Proto Tanks rule this game right now. My proto forge gun and my squad disagree...
Evidenced by the Surya, 2 Madrugars, and Gunnlogi wreckages smoking behind me from yesterday... |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.03.25 21:14:00 -
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Reset all those with 2mil SP into assault. Give the rest of us reallocation.
Also, fix the broken drop suit damage mods.
(might as well join the cry fest everyone else has with heavies and tanks) |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
153
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Posted - 2013.04.03 02:34:00 -
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I am so pissed off about this....This is absolute BS. I think a Respec and and Reset are...again bull ****.I have 97 million and from what I here you guys will do this one time Respec and refund us the ISK that we spent on skill books based on current market value?SO what about the rest of my ISK ?What does the criptic crap mean?
When did this game become a game for F^&*( pU %%^ies |
Drake435
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
32
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Posted - 2013.04.03 02:48:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Reset all those with 2mil SP into assault. Give the rest of us reallocation.
Also, fix the broken drop suit damage mods.
(might as well join the cry fest everyone else has with heavies and tanks)
*sigh* Once again damage mods are NOT broken, only the display on the fitting screen is. Link to thread
On topic, a respec for this upcoming "Uprising" update is totally fine. They're changing so many things in the game so I guess it would be fair JUST FOR THIS ONE TIME.
@HECATONCHIRES: You mean 97 million ISK.......right? Still.....that's a ton of whatever you have.
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Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
713
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Posted - 2013.04.03 02:51:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:I am so pissed off about this....This is absolute BS. I think a Respec and and Reset are...again bull ****.I have 97 million and from what I here you guys will do this one time Respec and refund us the ISK that we spent on skill books based on current market value?SO what about the rest of my ISK ?What does the criptic crap mean?
When did this game become a game for F^&*( pU %%^ies.When did this become ok we'll hold your hand....WTH?This is not dog eat dog that I expected from New Eden and the reason I wanted to get involved in this game in the first place....Were spoon feeding people now?Wtf?
Well, maybe you can petition CCP for your own personal hard mode and have them reset your character to 0.
From what I can gather the skill progression system is so drastically different that it is much less trouble for everyone involved for them to just give back you earned SP so you can re build your character using the new system.
That doesn't count as hand holding. So much as the devs basically saying, heck with it. Let those guys figure out what they want their character to be. No way we are going to try to guess what they would have wanted their sp spent on in the new system. It really sounds more like the opposite of hand holding. They are going to allow each and every player the opportunity to really screw up their skill progression all at once. WIth a ton of new items!
If they were spoon feeding us they would take the time to reassign all of our sp. But what they are really doing is refunding all the food we will have eaten over the last three months and saying, "Here you go. Here is some food. Now it is up to you to feed yourselves." |
Luke Vetri
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
56
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Posted - 2013.04.03 03:09:00 -
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Will it be bacon? |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
153
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Posted - 2013.04.03 03:10:00 -
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Aighun wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:I am so pissed off about this....This is absolute BS. I think a Respec and and Reset are...again bull ****.I have 97 million and from what I here you guys will do this one time Respec and refund us the ISK that we spent on skill books based on current market value?SO what about the rest of my ISK ?What does the criptic crap mean?
When did this game become a game for F^&*( pU %%^ies.When did this become ok we'll hold your hand....WTH?This is not dog eat dog that I expected from New Eden and the reason I wanted to get involved in this game in the first place....Were spoon feeding people now?Wtf? Well, maybe you can petition CCP for your own personal hard mode and have them reset your character to 0. From what I can gather the skill progression system is so drastically different that it is much less trouble for everyone involved for them to just give back you earned SP so you can re build your character using the new system. That doesn't count as hand holding. So much as the devs basically saying, heck with it. Let those guys figure out what they want their character to be. No way we are going to try to guess what they would have wanted their sp spent on in the new system. It really sounds more like the opposite of hand holding. They are going to allow each and every player the opportunity to really screw up their skill progression all at once. WIth a ton of new items! If they were spoon feeding us they would take the time to reassign all of our sp. But what they are really doing is refunding all the food we will have eaten over the last three months and saying, "Here you go. Here is some food. Now it is up to you to feed yourselves." Wrong in so many ways...They already said no more resets now that weve entered the open beta.There are always going to be winners and loosers...and the loosers will always cry....and thats all Im hearing from the "Respec Camp".Sure I got some sp into unwanted skills.How bout you petition them to fix the skills you bought into?For whatever said piece of equipment or skill that you have...You spent your sp on crap Lavs ...live with it.All the good players were closed beta testers believe me they know how to build there guys and assign sp...this in the end will do nothing to change that and even then you will still loose. Because as much as some people cant wrap there egos around it, there are better players than you in this game..sorry to burst yer bubble people.
CCP if you do this make them pay AURUM TO DO IT......and use the Aur to make more content.My coworker plays WOW this sounds like what he was saying about Wellfare epics....this has fuckin fail written all over it. |
Another Heavy SOB
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
12
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Posted - 2013.04.03 03:16:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Aighun wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:I am so pissed off about this....This is absolute BS. I think a Respec and and Reset are...again bull ****.I have 97 million and from what I here you guys will do this one time Respec and refund us the ISK that we spent on skill books based on current market value?SO what about the rest of my ISK ?What does the criptic crap mean?
When did this game become a game for F^&*( pU %%^ies.When did this become ok we'll hold your hand....WTH?This is not dog eat dog that I expected from New Eden and the reason I wanted to get involved in this game in the first place....Were spoon feeding people now?Wtf? Well, maybe you can petition CCP for your own personal hard mode and have them reset your character to 0. From what I can gather the skill progression system is so drastically different that it is much less trouble for everyone involved for them to just give back you earned SP so you can re build your character using the new system. That doesn't count as hand holding. So much as the devs basically saying, heck with it. Let those guys figure out what they want their character to be. No way we are going to try to guess what they would have wanted their sp spent on in the new system. It really sounds more like the opposite of hand holding. They are going to allow each and every player the opportunity to really screw up their skill progression all at once. WIth a ton of new items! If they were spoon feeding us they would take the time to reassign all of our sp. But what they are really doing is refunding all the food we will have eaten over the last three months and saying, "Here you go. Here is some food. Now it is up to you to feed yourselves." Wrong in so many ways...They already said no more resets now that weve entered the open beta.There are always going to be winners and loosers...and the loosers will always cry....and thats all Im hearing from the "Respec Camp".Sure I got some sp into unwanted skills.How bout you petition them to fix the skills you bought into?For whatever said piece of equipment or skill that you have...You spent your sp on crap Lavs ...live with it. CCP if you do this make them pay AURUM TO DO IT.......My coworker plays WOW this sounds like what he was saying about Wellfare epics....this has fuckin fail written all over it.
You just don't get it do you?
They're refunding our allocated SP because there are many new skills available and some current skills will be obsolete or have different bonuses per level.
This isn't CCP pandering to those wanting a respec, it's their solution to taking away and/or changing existing skills functions that many of us have potentially invested in.
It's not going to be a continuously available option.
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
749
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Posted - 2013.04.03 03:17:00 -
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@HECATONCHIRES, They are changing skills. Sharpshooter will now increase accuracy instead of range, and there will no longer be "light weapon" sharpshooter, it will be replaced by "assault rifle" sharpshooter and the like. They are changing lots of skills, a respec seams like the fair thing to do.
Again, actually listen to the merc cast before you stop saying stupid ****. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
713
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Posted - 2013.04.03 03:27:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Aighun wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:I am so pissed off about this....This is absolute BS. I think a Respec and and Reset are...again bull ****.I have 97 million and from what I here you guys will do this one time Respec and refund us the ISK that we spent on skill books based on current market value?SO what about the rest of my ISK ?What does the criptic crap mean?
When did this game become a game for F^&*( pU %%^ies.When did this become ok we'll hold your hand....WTH?This is not dog eat dog that I expected from New Eden and the reason I wanted to get involved in this game in the first place....Were spoon feeding people now?Wtf? Well, maybe you can petition CCP for your own personal hard mode and have them reset your character to 0. From what I can gather the skill progression system is so drastically different that it is much less trouble for everyone involved for them to just give back you earned SP so you can re build your character using the new system. That doesn't count as hand holding. So much as the devs basically saying, heck with it. Let those guys figure out what they want their character to be. No way we are going to try to guess what they would have wanted their sp spent on in the new system. It really sounds more like the opposite of hand holding. They are going to allow each and every player the opportunity to really screw up their skill progression all at once. WIth a ton of new items! If they were spoon feeding us they would take the time to reassign all of our sp. But what they are really doing is refunding all the food we will have eaten over the last three months and saying, "Here you go. Here is some food. Now it is up to you to feed yourselves." Wrong in so many ways...They already said no more resets now that weve entered the open beta.There are always going to be winners and loosers...and the loosers will always cry....and thats all Im hearing from the "Respec Camp".Sure I got some sp into unwanted skills.How bout you petition them to fix the skills you bought into?For whatever said piece of equipment or skill that you have...You spent your sp on crap Lavs ...live with it. CCP if you do this make them pay AURUM TO DO IT......and use the Aur to make more content.My coworker plays WOW this sounds like what he was saying about Wellfare epics....this has fuckin fail written all over it.
This isn't a reset. But it sounds like the skill progression system has been so drastically changed that the existing skills do not translate into the new system. It would take far too long and waste countless programming and man hours trying to attempt that translation. So instead they are just having the players do the work for them. That is all. If you think about it, maybe it is CCP who should pay us to respec our characters...
It is not about wanted or unwanted skills. It is about finding the most efficient way to get everyone up and running in the new skill progression system without doing a re-set.
But yes, i do agree that this has player freak over something that really isn't a big deal written all over it. A player that felt like they did not spend wisely will get the chance to spend again. They might feel like they lucked out. Nothing will gurantee that they will make a better choice this time around.
I am going to build one of my characters exactly the same as it is now, or as close as I can get.
Hopefully with another character I can skill another all around decent infantry weapon to level 5 besides Gallente Assault rifle. One of the problems with the current skill system and weapons is that a lot of us skilled assault rifle just to have a fighting chance. Not because we liked that weapon or even wanted to use it. Hopefully now there will be some alternatives.
Some player might make almost the exact same character that they have now. I really don't see much of an issue with this.
If it happens again in three months, yeah. Then it will be a problem. But hopefully this is the last time we will see an across the board change. And future SP refunds will just be for specific skill trees or items if they get changed or removed from the game.
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