come to papa and his forge gun

I would hate CCP if they changed it to an open world game.

"I'm sorry timmy but daddy has eaten so much food he has to wear a special fatsuit from now on"

Why?

IIRC, Dust was billed as being Open World PVP FPS a long while ago. It is the whole reason it grabbed my interest, the reason why I started playing Eve.

If Dust is to have any meaningful connection to Eve, it needs to be Open World.

Downloading it for Ps3. 1000 players all at once. I really like to see Dust 514 to be open world and fly my Dropship around the planet.

$60 initial charge, paid DLC, microtransactions...Defiance had better be exceptional for all that money.

Defiance is a very radical idea. I hope that it lasts. The fact that it is attached at the hip to a television show that hasn't even aired yet, well lets just say that one will effect the other in more ways than they can think of. If the television show gets cancled, what happens to the game? Will it be able to hold onto its player base? And vise-versa, what if the game fails? It may not have as great an impact on the show, but it will have some...I just think there is a bit of risk involved with that game, less so in Dust because CCP has an established game to fall back on(not that I think Dust will fail, I just don't think CCP is taking as great a risk.).

How would this game be any better with open world. What, am I gonna just walk around a random planet and shoot some random merc I see on the same planet. When I say open world I don't mean flying from planet to planet in my war barge, I mean walking around with the liberty to go where ever I want and do anything while I'm there. That flying from planet to planet isn't an open world game for a FPS. Maybe for another type of game, but in my opinion not for dust.

$60 initial charge, paid DLC, microtransactions...Defiance had better be exceptional for all that money.

Im not impressed with it. Been playing the beta for a few hours now and in trying to like it, but no luck

"[REQUEST] Never ending game mode: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=61582&find=unread
Update: Good idea, but we will need to solve tech limitations to this first."
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=613344#post613344

Kind of related, you may be interested.

Now I just need to find some subtle way to sneak my idea on open world implementation into the discussion. Maybe then everyone will love me...

But its the very fact that both dust and defiance are trans-media projects(counting integration with eve for dust) is what attracted me to them in the first place, i really hope both do very well because we're looking at an evolution in the idea of what games are and can be and how closely tied the various aspects of the entertainment industry can be. Yes it's a risk but success or failure both games will have changed people's perceptions of what games can be

Now I just need to find some subtle way to sneak my idea on open world implementation into the discussion. Maybe then everyone will love me...

I watched the long trailer for defiance

TBH it looked crap

The aliens looked bland and unorginal and wtf with everyone shooting each other in the bar then running off to fight aliens with less numbers because they shot each other up before hand

They would have been better making Startship Troopers game open world where you defend against the bugs

Can you honestly tell me that you'd prefer to have the Merc Quarters and only instanced matches rather than having instanced matches as an aside from planetary exploration or just a Merc Quarters instead of having planetary exploration to break/supplement the grind of instanced matches??

That seems bass ackwards to me, it would be like telling the chef "No, I do not want that entire smorgasbord of all my favorite foods, I just want these jello cup samples of my favorite foods"

I can honestly tell you that I have absolutely no interest in open world gameplay. It adds nothing to it for me, and would take an absolutely massive effort from CCP to do. That would come at the expense of the actual game that most of us want to play, a persistant sci-fi FPS.

I get it, some of you guys want to go ratting, and do all those other boring parts of Eve. I don't . I want to fight a war, over hundreds of battles on everything from asteroids to ships, to planets. That is what I signed up for, not going for a drive to see if I can find a small outcropping of Arknore.

CCP already has huge problems with mission creep, and if you encourage them to start wasting resources on diversions, instead of focusing on the core elements, you end up with a game that does nothing great, and the rest is mediocre at best.

So, no, CCP, please don't even bother wasting a single man hour on this until after we have a fully functioning market place, can hold SOV, and for those that are interested, have a ratting sidegame. Then, if you want ot spend 6 years creating a boring as hell space driving game, go nuts.

BTW, the last sentence of your post makes me chuckle. But you are wrong. Instead of asking for one well cooked and thought out course, you want them to undercook everything. That leads to food poisoning.

I agree that we need a fully functioning market, though I am curious about the other two things you mention as being more important than Open World, Sov and Ratting. If Dust Sov is solely going to be determined by instanced battles, I'll pass. The thought of that is so ******* underwhelming it transcends words. As far as ratting is concerned, will that be instanced too? Will Dust Carebears get their hearts desire and be able to instance solo ratting uninterrupted by those mean evil gankers and ninja salvagers? Wouldn't that turn a MP game into a singleplayer game?

If Dust doesn't go Open World, the carebears win.

Is that really what you want?

I didn't say ratting was important, at least for me. I have no desire to go hunting drones. Any type of PvE is a waste for me. AI can never provide the same competition as fighting against human players.

As for gankers, F them. I don't subscribe to the mentality that someone should be able to take a big steamer on some noobs day. I don't care that it is a staple of Eve. It is also the reason why Eve will never reach a huge market, because they cater to that small subset of imitation psychopaths who want to be penile to everyone.

So unless I can pay someone in Eve to roll up to your corp headquarters and obliterate them from orbit, wiping out your armoury, your wallet, and all your corps reserves, and cost you all a chunk of your lifetime SP, then lets not even talk about forced PvP. Because frankly, if all you want to do is gank carebears, go play eve and leave the FPS to people who want to actually fight. Punishing noobs is something that is so intrinsic to Eve, that it is no wonder that the community here is so intolerant of any type of complaint.

The core of this game, for at least the next year is going to be consensual PvP. Even PC, in the short term, is sort of consensual, in that if you want to hold turf, you are consenting to someone trying to take it from you.

Do I think that there will be PvE environments where there will be multiple teams working on the same map, and if they meet, they will fight? Yes, I do, and I hope that shuts up the whiners who want to gank on fools. But even that will be quasi consensual, because you will know going in that there is another team of drone hunters out there.

If you think open world is coming anytime soon, I think you are going to be really dissapointed.

Can you show us on the doll where the bad ganker touched you? Really, I doubt you could have more of a bias against ganking than you're showing. Never once did I say it should be the only thing available, though it should be available. Whereas I am trying to enrich everyones experience with options, you're more for forcing people to play inside a little box you're comfortable in.

I would hate CCP if they changed it to an open world game.

War is also not a purely instanced affair, war is dirty, war is nasty, war isn't fair and isn't always fought on terms that both sides agree to. I couldn't care less about more game modes, I just want one more, Open World Sandbox. Not like they'd really need to think much to create that, can't forget that players create the content in a sandbox.

Are you afraid that you wouldn't be able to pubstomp cause everyone would be running around creating their own content rather than being victimized by **** matchmaking?

Lastly, what is so competitive about matches where you are on the redline? Doesn't matter which side of it you are on, if you're there the match wasn't a competition to begin with and to believe otherwise is pure delusion.

I am not expecting to custom make anything aside from how any District I am in charge of is laid out, I seem to distinctly remember that being an integral part of placing installations.

I share your vision of 64v64, I just don't want it to be instanced. The instanced Instant Battles, Merc Battles and Corp Battles are all BS if you ask me. Is that how PC is going to be handled? Am I going to have to ask your permission to attack your District by issuing a battle challenge? Am I not going to be able to sneak attack your District because the battle needs to be instanced and doesn't develop free form?

I think you are really missing what I am getting at. My major problem is with the instancing, Dust was supposed to be new and unlike the rest and so far all I have really seen is Sci-Fi flavored CoD that requires minor skills at math. Open World Sandbox play would set Dust apart from the rest and is already a New Eden precident.

I am not expecting to custom make anything aside from how any District I am in charge of is laid out, I seem to distinctly remember that being an integral part of placing installations.

I share your vision of 64v64, I just don't want it to be instanced. The instanced Instant Battles, Merc Battles and Corp Battles are all BS if you ask me. Is that how PC is going to be handled? Am I going to have to ask your permission to attack your District by issuing a battle challenge? Am I not going to be able to sneak attack your District because the battle needs to be instanced and doesn't develop free form?

$60 initial charge, paid DLC, microtransactions...Defiance had better be exceptional for all that money.

I watched the long trailer for defiance

TBH it looked crap

The aliens looked bland and unorginal and wtf with everyone shooting each other in the bar then running off to fight aliens with less numbers because they shot each other up before hand

They would have been better making Startship Troopers game open world where you defend against the bugs

Well, I don't know what to tell you, but yes, PC will be instanced. There will be timers, everything will be scheduled, there will be no surprise attacks. Not any time soon.

I see your point, and I wish I could tell you that it isn't going to be that way, but it is. And it will be that way for a very long time if we take CCP's progress so far to mean anything.

Would it be better if we could load up a 64 man team and a couple of CRU's and go looking for places to invade? On that I agree with you. But it isn't going to happen for years.

Having just tried the defiance beta I have to say that it's pretty fun, but tbh dust is better in my opinion. even pub matches seem to have more meaning than defiance does. still I can see myself losing hours on it and having fun.

you can't leave dust yet I have to blow up your ship still

We don't have spaceships yet...

Well, I don't know what to tell you, but yes, PC will be instanced. There will be timers, everything will be scheduled, there will be no surprise attacks. Not any time soon.

I see your point, and I wish I could tell you that it isn't going to be that way, but it is. And it will be that way for a very long time if we take CCP's progress so far to mean anything.

Would it be better if we could load up a 64 man team and a couple of CRU's and go looking for places to invade? On that I agree with you. But it isn't going to happen for years.

Not trying to sound like an ass, just curious how that is relevant.

Downloaded Defiance. Played Defiance. Deleted Defiance.

Never thought I'd say this, but Dust actually has a superior frame rate to something.

Are developers seriously this incompetent nowadays, or do most console gamers really have such an abysmal set of standards?

LOL....

1st problem : Defiance is a MMORPG, which is what i thought it was, and IT IS.

2nd problem : Dust 514 is not a MMORPG, which is what i thought it was, but is NOT.

You can attack Defiance as much as you want, but the truth is undeniable.

It may not be as good as Dust 514, but it delivers what it promise ;

Open world Massively Online Multi-player Shooter.

[quote=Panther AIpha]LOL....



And for the low low price of 59.99, you can experience it all at a genre-shattering 5 frames per second!

Pre-order today!

And for the low low price of 59.99, you can experience it all at a genre-shattering 5 frames per second!

Pre-order today!

and you have Spent how much so far?



seeing how your a forum tryhard I bet you will lie too

What is the difference ?

Dust 514 is becoming a P2W game, i most likely will need to spend that much every month, to be competitive .....
The difference is that with the Defiance i will get the full game, and not just 10% of it.

1. Defiance is a kids game. 514 claims it's not, but it is becoming more and more of a kids game. both are easy but the community will make them out to be harder then they are. community will prolly handle Defiance easier since it's pve and most folks here can't handle pvp.

2. good let the kids go play defiance, they suck at 514 and need so many training wheels that it's tanking 514.

3. "Would it be better if we could load up a 64 man team and a couple of CRU's and go looking for places to invade?"
naw man you would hate it. go play the arma2 mod called "Wasteland"; it's EXACTLY what you are talking about cept no mini map, real weapons that take real skill and a REAL mmo map. but for all that, just like Buttnaked said, it's boring. you spend an assload of time traveling and when you get there, the fire fight is intense and usually pretty short. it's the EXACT opposite of what you are used to and even more so the opposite of what you are capable of playing. if 514 was a TRUE mmo, none of you would be here.

4. CCP has the summer to get this thing up and running. if they hit the fall and the game isn't out, they are done. defiance should be off the air by fall and the game will prolly be a LOL in the gaming media, but GTAV? that game will turn 514 into a ghost town. mostly because the crappy younger players who have crappy "parent" will all be on GTAV playing an M rated game instead of doing their homework. if GTAV and 514 come out at the same time, well i guess the 5 or 6 people playing 514 can split up the planets and run the show for what it's worth.

5. this isn't an mmo. and it actually hasn't even reached PFPS status yet. it's a fps that's looking more and more like a pos.

6. thank god ps4 is around the corner and all this kid style garbage will be left behind for a while. gonna be nice to have the adults only console next year. keep saving your pennies, ladies. maybe you can buy one in 2015.

Peace
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Defiance is a 18+ game ...what you mean is ;

Let all the adults go to Defiance, and the kids to play Dust 514 ....

Speaking of which, aren't you supposed to be gone?

On the contrary, I love watching people double back on their declared intentions and place themselves in a perfect position to be tortured.

"Defiance is a 18+ game ...what you mean is "


you're fighting AI bugs and you ask why it's a kids game?


this is why you guys have such a hard time with 514.

you're kinda dim.

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Watching beta footage of it atm

Looks smooth and PVE looks okay for general fun but looks easy and mutants spawn anywhere out of nowhere, PVP is 4v4 i think and looks crap and pointless

World looks big, not detailed and very samey

Upgrades look decent and customization seem well thought out

Arc event things are just a clusterfuck for ppl to get together and kill some aliens

Aliens themselves look bland and **** tbh and also very stupid and just seems so easy to kill them

Overall its an open world mix of fallout and borderlands with easy unoriginal aliens and is aimed just for something to shoot at in large numbers

I might try out the beta but it does look meh, no purpose to it

It sounds that you "almost "describing Dust 514...Well, except for the PVE, world looks big, and the aliens . ...

It sounds that you "almost "describing Dust 514...Well, except for the PVE, world looks big, and the aliens . ...

But in DUST its 'arc events' actually cause things to happen at least in lore but we are allowed to change the direction, once we get to pick sides then it will be better

As for the aliens yes swap with drones, at the drones do look orginal the aliens look like some half arsed attempt of ripping off the bugs from starship troopers except they are worse

PVP in dust is fun, pve yet to see

Some parts are similar, others not so

But in DUST its 'arc events' actually cause things to happen at least in lore but we are allowed to change the direction, once we get to pick sides then it will be better

As for the aliens yes swap with drones, at the drones do look orginal the aliens look like some half arsed attempt of ripping off the bugs from starship troopers except they are worse

PVP in dust is fun, pve yet to see

Some parts are similar, others not so

No we're not. They've set up the story so no matter which side we help "win" the end is the same. The titan is still being destroyed so the only lasting effect of our actions is predetermined. Why do you think we don't get to pick which side we fight for? Because it doesn't matter.

$60 initial charge, paid DLC, microtransactions...Defiance had better be exceptional for all that money.