I can honestly tell you that I have absolutely no interest in open world gameplay. It adds nothing to it for me, and would take an absolutely massive effort from CCP to do. That would come at the expense of the actual game that most of us want to play, a persistant sci-fi FPS.

I get it, some of you guys want to go ratting, and do all those other boring parts of Eve. I don't . I want to fight a war, over hundreds of battles on everything from asteroids to ships, to planets. That is what I signed up for, not going for a drive to see if I can find a small outcropping of Arknore.

CCP already has huge problems with mission creep, and if you encourage them to start wasting resources on diversions, instead of focusing on the core elements, you end up with a game that does nothing great, and the rest is mediocre at best.

So, no, CCP, please don't even bother wasting a single man hour on this until after we have a fully functioning market place, can hold SOV, and for those that are interested, have a ratting sidegame. Then, if you want ot spend 6 years creating a boring as hell space driving game, go nuts.

BTW, the last sentence of your post makes me chuckle. But you are wrong. Instead of asking for one well cooked and thought out course, you want them to undercook everything. That leads to food poisoning.

I agree that we need a fully functioning market, though I am curious about the other two things you mention as being more important than Open World, Sov and Ratting. If Dust Sov is solely going to be determined by instanced battles, I'll pass. The thought of that is so ******* underwhelming it transcends words. As far as ratting is concerned, will that be instanced too? Will Dust Carebears get their hearts desire and be able to instance solo ratting uninterrupted by those mean evil gankers and ninja salvagers? Wouldn't that turn a MP game into a singleplayer game?

If Dust doesn't go Open World, the carebears win.

Is that really what you want?

I didn't say ratting was important, at least for me. I have no desire to go hunting drones. Any type of PvE is a waste for me. AI can never provide the same competition as fighting against human players.

As for gankers, F them. I don't subscribe to the mentality that someone should be able to take a big steamer on some noobs day. I don't care that it is a staple of Eve. It is also the reason why Eve will never reach a huge market, because they cater to that small subset of imitation psychopaths who want to be penile to everyone.

So unless I can pay someone in Eve to roll up to your corp headquarters and obliterate them from orbit, wiping out your armoury, your wallet, and all your corps reserves, and cost you all a chunk of your lifetime SP, then lets not even talk about forced PvP. Because frankly, if all you want to do is gank carebears, go play eve and leave the FPS to people who want to actually fight. Punishing noobs is something that is so intrinsic to Eve, that it is no wonder that the community here is so intolerant of any type of complaint.

The core of this game, for at least the next year is going to be consensual PvP. Even PC, in the short term, is sort of consensual, in that if you want to hold turf, you are consenting to someone trying to take it from you.

Do I think that there will be PvE environments where there will be multiple teams working on the same map, and if they meet, they will fight? Yes, I do, and I hope that shuts up the whiners who want to gank on fools. But even that will be quasi consensual, because you will know going in that there is another team of drone hunters out there.

If you think open world is coming anytime soon, I think you are going to be really dissapointed.

Can you show us on the doll where the bad ganker touched you? Really, I doubt you could have more of a bias against ganking than you're showing. Never once did I say it should be the only thing available, though it should be available. Whereas I am trying to enrich everyones experience with options, you're more for forcing people to play inside a little box you're comfortable in.

I would hate CCP if they changed it to an open world game.

War is also not a purely instanced affair, war is dirty, war is nasty, war isn't fair and isn't always fought on terms that both sides agree to. I couldn't care less about more game modes, I just want one more, Open World Sandbox. Not like they'd really need to think much to create that, can't forget that players create the content in a sandbox.

Are you afraid that you wouldn't be able to pubstomp cause everyone would be running around creating their own content rather than being victimized by **** matchmaking?

Lastly, what is so competitive about matches where you are on the redline? Doesn't matter which side of it you are on, if you're there the match wasn't a competition to begin with and to believe otherwise is pure delusion.

I am not expecting to custom make anything aside from how any District I am in charge of is laid out, I seem to distinctly remember that being an integral part of placing installations.

I share your vision of 64v64, I just don't want it to be instanced. The instanced Instant Battles, Merc Battles and Corp Battles are all BS if you ask me. Is that how PC is going to be handled? Am I going to have to ask your permission to attack your District by issuing a battle challenge? Am I not going to be able to sneak attack your District because the battle needs to be instanced and doesn't develop free form?

I think you are really missing what I am getting at. My major problem is with the instancing, Dust was supposed to be new and unlike the rest and so far all I have really seen is Sci-Fi flavored CoD that requires minor skills at math. Open World Sandbox play would set Dust apart from the rest and is already a New Eden precident.

I am not expecting to custom make anything aside from how any District I am in charge of is laid out, I seem to distinctly remember that being an integral part of placing installations.

I share your vision of 64v64, I just don't want it to be instanced. The instanced Instant Battles, Merc Battles and Corp Battles are all BS if you ask me. Is that how PC is going to be handled? Am I going to have to ask your permission to attack your District by issuing a battle challenge? Am I not going to be able to sneak attack your District because the battle needs to be instanced and doesn't develop free form?

$60 initial charge, paid DLC, microtransactions...Defiance had better be exceptional for all that money.

I watched the long trailer for defiance

TBH it looked crap

The aliens looked bland and unorginal and wtf with everyone shooting each other in the bar then running off to fight aliens with less numbers because they shot each other up before hand

They would have been better making Startship Troopers game open world where you defend against the bugs

Well, I don't know what to tell you, but yes, PC will be instanced. There will be timers, everything will be scheduled, there will be no surprise attacks. Not any time soon.

I see your point, and I wish I could tell you that it isn't going to be that way, but it is. And it will be that way for a very long time if we take CCP's progress so far to mean anything.

Would it be better if we could load up a 64 man team and a couple of CRU's and go looking for places to invade? On that I agree with you. But it isn't going to happen for years.

Having just tried the defiance beta I have to say that it's pretty fun, but tbh dust is better in my opinion. even pub matches seem to have more meaning than defiance does. still I can see myself losing hours on it and having fun.

you can't leave dust yet I have to blow up your ship still

We don't have spaceships yet...

Well, I don't know what to tell you, but yes, PC will be instanced. There will be timers, everything will be scheduled, there will be no surprise attacks. Not any time soon.

I see your point, and I wish I could tell you that it isn't going to be that way, but it is. And it will be that way for a very long time if we take CCP's progress so far to mean anything.

Would it be better if we could load up a 64 man team and a couple of CRU's and go looking for places to invade? On that I agree with you. But it isn't going to happen for years.

Not trying to sound like an ass, just curious how that is relevant.

Downloaded Defiance. Played Defiance. Deleted Defiance.

Never thought I'd say this, but Dust actually has a superior frame rate to something.

Are developers seriously this incompetent nowadays, or do most console gamers really have such an abysmal set of standards?

LOL....

1st problem : Defiance is a MMORPG, which is what i thought it was, and IT IS.

2nd problem : Dust 514 is not a MMORPG, which is what i thought it was, but is NOT.

You can attack Defiance as much as you want, but the truth is undeniable.

It may not be as good as Dust 514, but it delivers what it promise ;

Open world Massively Online Multi-player Shooter.

[quote=Panther AIpha]LOL....



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