DUST Search - [Request] Changes to Ambush and Ambush OMS

Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:

Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote:

I know you probably are opposed to the idea as you most likely are one of the individuals who drops a tank at the start of an ambush knowing it will be nearly impossible for anyone to destroy you. Its fun for you, and I understand why you would not want to actually put your precious investment in any sort of danger, but it ruins the game mode for the rest of us.

Here we encounter fundamental issue #2 with this discussion: the myth of the invincible HAV. I do like that your mental image of me is that I'm just trololo-ing through the map mowing down enemy troops with impunity. I'm not going to bother pointing out how easy it is to kill a HAV with any reasonable amount of AV. You'd just say some crap about how you shouldn't have to deal with that. Let's instead talk about why vehicles are necessary.

You see, there are a lot of games out there, those crappy generic FPSes. Call of Duty, and all of its clones. You're more than welcome to those. You can be as infantry only as your heart desires there, because they're not like DUST. DUST is a sandbox. This will be especially true if (as I dearly hope) they implement an open world structure. Even if they don't, they've discussed in at least one video 5km by 5km maps and have hinted at internal tests of 64v64 players.

Can you imagine trying to fight on a 25 square kilometer map with only infantry? It'd take you fifteen minutes just to find one enemy. You're going to need vehicles to get around at that point. HAVs are going to be an important strategic piece in those games. At best you'll be shooting yourself in the foot by developing bad habits fighting without them. At worst you'll be stifling those game modes by channeling all the infantry into your silly infantry-only matches. Then we just have another Call of Duty clone.

TL;DR: this isn't Call of Duty, vehicles are here to stay and you're either going to have to deal with them or die to them.

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Jathniel G I A N T 78	Posted - 2013.03.12 22:46:00 - [31] - Quote Nope. Don't turn Dust into Quake. Nor CS. Those were good games in their own right, but no. Those games functioned the way they did because of the hardware limitations of their times. People made the best of it. Comical bunny-hoping and strafing. Bullets coming at you, that you could "Neo" yourself around. That gameplay just doesn't match Dust, imo. Imagine how pathetic it would look if you could do that to a tank... (Stupidity starts at 3:50, watch Solid Snake jog himself to a victory.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnVvOQ0VtDM lol... No infantry-only game modes. Just make a Corp HQ arena, where folks can run around and fight their little ARs. Let them bet money on who would win. ...infantry-only game mode.... lol
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 781	Posted - 2013.03.12 22:58:00 - [32] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Nope. Don't turn Dust into Quake. Nor CS. Those were good games in their own right, but no. Those games functioned the way they did because of the hardware limitations of their times. People made the best of it. Comical bunny-hoping and strafing. Bullets coming at you, that you could "Neo" yourself around. That gameplay just doesn't match Dust, imo. Imagine how pathetic it would look if you could do that to a tank... (Stupidity starts at 3:50, watch Solid Snake jog himself to a victory.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnVvOQ0VtDM lol... No infantry-only game modes, where they can go into their own little world and make ISK and SP from. Who the hell would "realistically" issue a contract for that? lol Doesn't fit the game. Just make a Corp HQ arena, where folks can run around and fight their little ARs. Let them bet money on who would win. ...infantry-only game mode.... lol Imagine, "I play Dust, but I only do infantry-only Ambush. because folks that use tanks and vehicles are gay." The game would break, because now every AR user and his mom would run there for the sake of ease. Bad move to make a game mode like this. Well...there are people that specialize in only infantry stuff... I don't understand why not have an only infantry ambush...what's the problem with having only gun on gun action and not worrying about some lame ass in an LAV running over people or some leet tanker with his buddies spamming tanks.
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 148	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:18:00 - [33] - Quote Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote: I know you probably are opposed to the idea as you most likely are one of the individuals who drops a tank at the start of an ambush knowing it will be nearly impossible for anyone to destroy you. Its fun for you, and I understand why you would not want to actually put your precious investment in any sort of danger, but it ruins the game mode for the rest of us. Here we encounter fundamental issue #2 with this discussion: the myth of the invincible HAV. I do like that your mental image of me is that I'm just trololo-ing through the map mowing down enemy troops with impunity. I'm not going to bother pointing out how easy it is to kill a HAV with any reasonable amount of AV. You'd just say some crap about how you shouldn't have to deal with that. Let's instead talk about why vehicles are necessary. You see, there are a lot of games out there, those crappy generic FPSes. Call of Duty, and all of its clones. You're more than welcome to those. You can be as infantry only as your heart desires there, because they're not like DUST. DUST is a sandbox. This will be especially true if (as I dearly hope) they implement an open world structure. Even if they don't, they've discussed in at least one video 5km by 5km maps and have hinted at internal tests of 64v64 players. Can you imagine trying to fight on a 25 square kilometer map with only infantry? It'd take you fifteen minutes just to find one enemy. You're going to need vehicles to get around at that point. HAVs are going to be an important strategic piece in those games. At best you'll be shooting yourself in the foot by developing bad habits fighting without them. At worst you'll be stifling those game modes by channeling all the infantry into your silly infantry-only matches. Then we just have another Call of Duty clone. TL;DR: this isn't Call of Duty, vehicles are here to stay and you're either going to have to deal with them or die to them.
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis 433	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:40:00 - [34] - Quote No! That is a bad Movado. Never add restrictions, if anything lift restrictions. Sandbox games do not benefit from adding restrictions.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 781	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:42:00 - [35] - Quote Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote: I know you probably are opposed to the idea as you most likely are one of the individuals who drops a tank at the start of an ambush knowing it will be nearly impossible for anyone to destroy you. Its fun for you, and I understand why you would not want to actually put your precious investment in any sort of danger, but it ruins the game mode for the rest of us. Here we encounter fundamental issue #2 with this discussion: the myth of the invincible HAV. I do like that your mental image of me is that I'm just trololo-ing through the map mowing down enemy troops with impunity. I'm not going to bother pointing out how easy it is to kill a HAV with any reasonable amount of AV. You'd just say some crap about how you shouldn't have to deal with that. Let's instead talk about why vehicles are necessary. You see, there are a lot of games out there, those crappy generic FPSes. Call of Duty, and all of its clones. You're more than welcome to those. You can be as infantry only as your heart desires there, because they're not like DUST. DUST is a sandbox. This will be especially true if (as I dearly hope) they implement an open world structure. Even if they don't, they've discussed in at least one video 5km by 5km maps and have hinted at internal tests of 64v64 players. Can you imagine trying to fight on a 25 square kilometer map with only infantry? It'd take you fifteen minutes just to find one enemy. You're going to need vehicles to get around at that point. HAVs are going to be an important strategic piece in those games. At best you'll be shooting yourself in the foot by developing bad habits fighting without them. At worst you'll be stifling those game modes by channeling all the infantry into your silly infantry-only matches. Then we just have another Call of Duty clone. TL;DR: this isn't Call of Duty, vehicles are here to stay and you're either going to have to deal with them or die to them. I'm sorry, maybe I'm in a bad mood, but I just have to say, you're a ******* idiot. Nobody's arguing the importance of vehicles. People just want to play Ambush, a game mode on small maps with no objectives, with only infantry. You think I'm scared of tanks? I hunt tanks in Skirmish. I go out of my way to kill them, and I take on like it's my job. Is it such a big problem that people want an infantry only game mode??!!
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 781	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:46:00 - [36] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: No! That is a bad Movado. Never add restrictions, if anything lift restrictions. Sandbox games do not benefit from adding restrictions. I guess taking off the limit on vehicles allowed on the map is a good idea too...GG
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 148	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:47:00 - [37] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Is it such a big problem that people want an infantry only game mode??!! I covered this earlier. Yes, it is.
Lunamaria Hawkeye SyNergy Gaming 101	Posted - 2013.03.13 00:33:00 - [38] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: No! That is a bad Movado. Never add restrictions, if anything lift restrictions. Sandbox games do not benefit from adding restrictions. EVE, a sandbox game as you might be aware, benefits hugely from rules and restrictions. Imagine how awful the game would be if there were no rules for high sec or lowsec. It would destroy the game for a huge number of players. Imagine if there were no PG or CPU restrictions on ships (or dropsuits). Removing these restrictions from EVE would effectively break the game. Sandbox games benefit, indeed they rely entirely, on adding the RIGHT restrictions on gameplay. If you are going to have separate game modes, then separate rules should apply to each, otherwise whats the point in having them separate.
Lunamaria Hawkeye SyNergy Gaming 101	Posted - 2013.03.13 00:40:00 - [39] - Quote Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote: I know you probably are opposed to the idea as you most likely are one of the individuals who drops a tank at the start of an ambush knowing it will be nearly impossible for anyone to destroy you. Its fun for you, and I understand why you would not want to actually put your precious investment in any sort of danger, but it ruins the game mode for the rest of us. Here we encounter fundamental issue #2 with this discussion: the myth of the invincible HAV. I do like that your mental image of me is that I'm just trololo-ing through the map mowing down enemy troops with impunity. I'm not going to bother pointing out how easy it is to kill a HAV with any reasonable amount of AV. You'd just say some crap about how you shouldn't have to deal with that. Let's instead talk about why vehicles are necessary. You see, there are a lot of games out there, those crappy generic FPSes. Call of Duty, and all of its clones. You're more than welcome to those. You can be as infantry only as your heart desires there, because they're not like DUST. DUST is a sandbox. This will be especially true if (as I dearly hope) they implement an open world structure. Even if they don't, they've discussed in at least one video 5km by 5km maps and have hinted at internal tests of 64v64 players. Can you imagine trying to fight on a 25 square kilometer map with only infantry? It'd take you fifteen minutes just to find one enemy. You're going to need vehicles to get around at that point. HAVs are going to be an important strategic piece in those games. At best you'll be shooting yourself in the foot by developing bad habits fighting without them. At worst you'll be stifling those game modes by channeling all the infantry into your silly infantry-only matches. Then we just have another Call of Duty clone. TL;DR: this isn't Call of Duty, vehicles are here to stay and you're either going to have to deal with them or die to them. Tanks are taken out easily enough. In skirmish, where you can safely spawn and work together with AV teams and friendly tanks to do so. You undoubtedly know this and, I am now convinced, drop tanks in ambush because you are aware that on a tiny map, you will blow up any tank before it gets deployed in your own tank, and with random spawns, and constant pressure from infantry, no AV player will be able to focus on your tank and kill it.
Jathniel G I A N T 78	Posted - 2013.03.13 00:44:00 - [40] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Jathniel wrote: Nope. Don't turn Dust into Quake. Nor CS. Those were good games in their own right, but no. Those games functioned the way they did because of the hardware limitations of their times. People made the best of it. Comical bunny-hoping and strafing. Bullets coming at you, that you could "Neo" yourself around. That gameplay just doesn't match Dust, imo. Imagine how pathetic it would look if you could do that to a tank... (Stupidity starts at 3:50, watch Solid Snake jog himself to a victory.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnVvOQ0VtDM lol... No infantry-only game modes, where they can go into their own little world and make ISK and SP from. Who the hell would "realistically" issue a contract for that? lol Doesn't fit the game. Just make a Corp HQ arena, where folks can run around and fight their little ARs. Let them bet money on who would win. ...infantry-only game mode.... lol Imagine, "I play Dust, but I only do infantry-only Ambush. because folks that use tanks and vehicles are gay." The game would break, because now every AR user and his mom would run there for the sake of ease. Bad move to make a game mode like this. Well...there are people that specialize in only infantry stuff... I don't understand why not have an only infantry ambush...what's the problem with having only gun on gun action and not worrying about some lame ass in an LAV running over people or some leet tanker with his buddies spamming tanks. I'm a sniper. Pretty much maxed that out. I prefer to sit back, drink, and pink-mist to my heart's content, in Ambush. That's generally not viable though. So... I'm also an ADV Logi Bro, and an ADV Assault. I can use ADV swarms, packed AV nades, and my REs and Proxis can make deadly tank traps that can nearly insta-pop marauders. If I'm getting flanked by AR and Shotguns, I'll just have to switch up to assault, and spam flux grenades. There a good heavy on my team? I'll go ahead and logi bro him, and mass drive whatever his hmg doesn't get. But I still prefer to to sit back, drink, and pink-mist to my heart's content. If I ever got an "Ambush LRC", with a red zone that only permits long range combat between both sides, I'd go there and have a jolly good time all day. Good luck to you in regular ambush. You'd never flank me again, and I'd never come back. Talk about being forced out of your element. I as a sniper know how frustrating this is, but If there are people that have no AV capacity by now... unless they started yesterday, that really is their fault. Separation of players isn't the answer. Adapting is. Separation will kill the long-term experience of Dust.

Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 176	Posted - 2013.03.13 06:03:00 - [41] - Quote The solution really is an easy one for all those that want Infantry only. Same for those demanding ballet bullet evasion capability. Play the games that already cater to those play styles, don't try to browbeat CCP into giving you an option that isn't needed because it's already covered by so many other games. Not having Ballet Bullet Evasion isn't going to break Dust. Learning to deal with Vehicle elements isn't hard. Suppose Infantry only was actually provided. The next thing that would be griped about would be heavies forge sniping. Then we'd have threads QQing for no FG in Ambush IO. Next would be QQ for no heavies in Ambush IO. And it'd keep going until the Ambush IO mode would actually be Ambush IO allowing only Assault and Scout suits, weapons of AR class or lower, and locus grenades so the CoD, and it's clones, players would be in their accustomed environment. What it seems to be coming down to is small groups of players wanting limited option game modes, catering to their play styles, because they are either too lazy, unable, or just unwilling, to learn how to deal with a game element outside of their comfort zone. In the end, if one doesn't like the differences, then don't play Dust. No-body's forcing anyone to stick around.
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 349	Posted - 2013.03.14 01:44:00 - [42] - Quote I'm going to go nuts here with a simple addition to this idea. If we do get an infantry only mode I would enjoy if it removed Precision Strikes also. Just shooting people on foot. No insta-gibbing people with fire from the sky. It actually makes sense when there isn't an MCC around. Also, I brought this up in another thread, but perhaps some EVE geek can back me up (or shoot me down) with space science. Thinking long term, CCP is planning on allowing battles on different types of planets. Is it not possible that there will be planets with environmental features that prevent vehicle deployment? For example frequent electromagnetic storms that causes RDV malfunction or something? What I'm saying is, that this could happen within the role play realm of EVE. Infantry only matches are not impossible. But I will agree, if people can come up with a good argument that Infantry only would be imbalanced to the game as a whole, that it isn't a good idea. I just haven't read one yet.
Mechoj Nomreps Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 1	Posted - 2013.03.21 19:50:00 - [43] - Quote Just limit the number of tanks to one for each team.
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 70	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:11:00 - [44] - Quote CCP implements an infantry-only mode. Next day's forums: "No heavies in ambush! Those guys are just tanks and it's not fair because they have more armor than me! And why does the HMG have OVER HALF of the range of my AR? We all know a real machine gun would only shoot about 5 feet before the bullets plinked on the ground! And nerf those snipers while you're at it!" This is what I hear out of all of you every day.
Thumb Green Starship Troppers 43	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:12:00 - [45] - Quote Moonracer2000 wrote: IIf we do get an infantry only mode I would enjoy if it removed Precision Strikes also. Just shooting people on foot. No insta-gibbing people with fire from the sky. It actually makes sense when there isn't an MCC around. The Precision Strike is from either team's War barge that's orbiting the planet not the MCC
bacon blaster VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 4	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:48:00 - [46] - Quote To people complaining that this is unfair or that doesn't work for me: This is a game based on war and pvp. Gaining the unfair advantage is entirely what those two things are about. I grant you, almost no one starts off an ambush with av gear, but the second a tank starts raking in heads, people do actually bring it out. If you find that, after the tank is down, you are no longer useful, adapt. Try an smg, or forge sniping. Or, just go feed the other side a kill and spawn a new suit. It's not that hard. For those who are complaining that they want an infantry experience: try playing without dropping some vehicles. You will get a boots on the ground experience. And, when you come up against armor, you will either run and cower, or you will get at it with some av. If you can't adapt to a non-CoD type game, then go play something else. This is NOT CALL OF DUTY. Get over it.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 896	Posted - 2013.03.21 21:39:00 - [47] - Quote bacon blaster wrote: To people complaining that this is unfair or that doesn't work for me: This is a game based on war and pvp. Gaining the unfair advantage is entirely what those two things are about. I grant you, almost no one starts off an ambush with av gear, but the second a tank starts raking in heads, people do actually bring it out. If you find that, after the tank is down, you are no longer useful, adapt. Try an smg, or forge sniping. Or, just go feed the other side a kill and spawn a new suit. It's not that hard. For those who are complaining that they want an infantry experience: try playing without dropping some vehicles. You will get a boots on the ground experience. And, when you come up against armor, you will either run and cower, or you will get at it with some av. If you can't adapt to a non-CoD type game, then go play something else. This is NOT CALL OF DUTY. Get over it. here we go, another idiot referencing CoD. You people really don't get the point huh?! We're talking about adding ANOTHER GAME MODE, and not just making it THE ONLY GAME MODE. People should have a choice in regards to what they want to play. Being a FPS, infantry vs infantry is CORE gameplay. Nobody is saying tanks shouldn't be in the game. People like me are just asking for a infantry vs infantry game mode. Honestly, get this comparing CoD crap out of here. Don't think anyone here takes that crappy ass game seriously. I come from a BF background, and tanking is what I used to do until I got bored with it. Thankfully BF has a mixture of maps to suit different playstyles and roles. DUST doesn't offer that choice. Is offering more choices to players such a bad idea? You people really think it's that bad an option? Wow... this community is becoming a joke if you can't see the importance of having that choice.
flesth Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.03.21 22:20:00 - [48] - Quote i just post it on other page, i put down, well if it a good idea if if it be easier if there is section like (Ambush ) as normal (Skirmish) as normal (Ambush OMS) as normal ( Ambush Merc ) < as in no tanks just Lav ( Skrimish Merc) < as in no tanks just Lav what ever best for you ( just a idea )
Atlas Exenthal mnemonic. 34	Posted - 2013.03.21 22:52:00 - [49] - Quote I've been saying this since day one. The number of vehicles allowed in (public) vanilla Ambush needs to be toned down. I played a round of Manus Peak the other day, where the hostile team had six tanks. You can't even spawn without being screened by at least one tank, never mind bringing in your own tank or locking/charging an AV weapon. Not to mention it takes at least 2 clones to kill a single tank during vanilla Ambush. 1 to die and spawn as AV, and 1 to die and spawn as regular infantry again. That's if you kill the vehicle without dying. This isn't as big a concern in OMS/Skirmish since there are Supply Depots all over. It's a flawed system, and it needs fixing.
I-X-I Kinsho Swords Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.03.22 00:26:00 - [50] - Quote The recent trend of tanks sitting at the designated spawn points make me want this to happen.

Reimus Klinsman BetaMax. CRONOS. 326	Posted - 2013.03.22 01:19:00 - [51] - Quote I disapprove. If you don't want vehicles on the field, spec into AV and kill them.
KalOfTheRathi CowTek 254	Posted - 2013.03.22 01:23:00 - [52] - Quote @Mavado V Noriega, you do realize this has been discussed regarding to the new Battle Finder and its magical filters? We are supposed to be receiving some new UI, menus and Battle Finder one fine day.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 178	Posted - 2013.03.24 08:59:00 - [53] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: People should have a choice in regards to what they want to play. Being a FPS, infantry vs infantry is CORE gameplay. Nobody is saying tanks shouldn't be in the game. People like me are just asking for a infantry vs infantry game mode. Infantry vs infantry is NOT the core game play. The core game play is the conflict. The reason CoD is brought up so often is that it's usually a bunch of CoD fanboys/fangirls that want infantry only because that's their comfort zone and they don't feel that any game should force them to play outside that comfort zone.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 362	Posted - 2013.03.24 12:01:00 - [54] - Quote Just popping by to give Mavado my support in this. Mavado himself has been tanking for a long time, he knows what it's like to bring a tank into an ambush and mop up. He knows how one sided it gets. Newberries have no chance, and have no supply depots to even get that chance if they knew what to do. Experienced players are punished for coming into a firefight with anti infantry weapons when someone pulls out a tank and there are no supply depots. Either make vanilla IO or start streaming supply depot installations for deployment so we can defend ourselves. Keep it up Mavado. tips hat ~Overlord.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 178	Posted - 2013.03.25 01:48:00 - [55] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Just popping by to give Mavado my support in this. Mavado himself has been tanking for a long time, he knows what it's like to bring a tank into an ambush and mop up. He knows how one sided it gets. Newberries have no chance, and have no supply depots to even get that chance if they knew what to do. Experienced players are punished for coming into a firefight with anti infantry weapons when someone pulls out a tank and there are no supply depots. Either make vanilla IO or start streaming supply depot installations for deployment so we can defend ourselves. Keep it up Mavado. tips hat ~Overlord. I'm not a tank driver by any means, but vehicles are part of the game. Have I been on a side that got tank rolled? Yes I have. But at least I am willing to accept that and bring in the AV on my next spawn.
slypie11 Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 18	Posted - 2013.03.25 03:00:00 - [56] - Quote I'm sorry, but it's not so easy for some of us to "bring in AV". You see, when I started playing dust, I speced into more infantry-sentric roles, never believing that an entire team could be completely and utterly obliterated by one or two guys in tanks. Now its too late, and i'm stuck with my militia swarm launcher.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 181	Posted - 2013.03.29 21:29:00 - [57] - Quote slypie11 wrote: I'm sorry, but it's not so easy for some of us to "bring in AV". You see, when I started playing dust, I speced into more infantry-sentric roles, never believing that an entire team could be completely and utterly obliterated by one or two guys in tanks. Now its too late, and i'm stuck with my militia swarm launcher. Militia SWARMs are better than nothing and there's always making a fit with AV or flux grenades. Bringing in the AV option doesn't mean you have to take on the role all by yourself. Every little bit helps even if you're only role in taking down a tank was to soften it up a bit.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2211	Posted - 2013.03.30 00:18:00 - [58] - Quote slypie11 wrote: I'm sorry, but it's not so easy for some of us to "bring in AV". You see, when I started playing dust, I speced into more infantry-sentric roles, never believing that an entire team could be completely and utterly obliterated by one or two guys in tanks. Now its too late, and i'm stuck with my militia swarm launcher. It's too late to buy a Militia Heavy and a Militia Forge Gun? It's too late to earn more SP and invest some into AV? How? Fit AV Grenades alongside that Swarm Launcher and you have an effective anti-armour AV fitting. Add Flux Grenades and you have a decent setup for shield tanks and a surprisingly powerful loadout against armour. Bring a Heavy with a Forge Gun - even an all-Miliita fitting with no SP investment, and you can use a weapon with more balanced effectiveness against both shields and armour. There isn't a permanent "no more than X" cap on the amount of SP you can earn for your character. You can keep earning SP and expand your skillset to cover another possible threat.
slypie11 Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 55	Posted - 2013.03.30 00:23:00 - [59] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: slypie11 wrote: I'm sorry, but it's not so easy for some of us to "bring in AV". You see, when I started playing dust, I speced into more infantry-sentric roles, never believing that an entire team could be completely and utterly obliterated by one or two guys in tanks. Now its too late, and i'm stuck with my militia swarm launcher. It's too late to buy a Militia Heavy and a Militia Forge Gun? It's too late to earn more SP and invest some into AV? How? Fit AV Grenades alongside that Swarm Launcher and you have an effective anti-armour AV fitting. Add Flux Grenades and you have a decent setup for shield tanks and a surprisingly powerful loadout against armour. Bring a Heavy with a Forge Gun - even an all-Miliita fitting with no SP investment, and you can use a weapon with more balanced effectiveness against both shields and armour. There isn't a permanent "no more than X" cap on the amount of SP you can earn for your character. You can keep earning SP and expand your skillset to cover another possible threat. Militia gear does NOTHING against an even moderately skilled up tank. And I don't play very often, so I don't have mountains of sp and isk lying around. I have just recently acquired the basic swarm launcher, but it still can even bring dow a dropship without help, and those are notoriously weak.


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