|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
776
|
Posted - 2013.03.12 18:35:00 -
[1] - Quote
bump! really interested to see a dev comment on this. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
776
|
Posted - 2013.03.12 19:08:00 -
[2] - Quote
Severus Smith wrote:Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote:Gun play is the heart and soul of any FPS. Vehicles are added to give a little variety so things don't get boring This is the fundamental disagreement behind this issue, I think. I'm a person that couldn't give a good gorram about "gun play". To me there are plenty of things other than assault rifles that contribute to the fun. In fact I find the circle-strafing and bunny-hopping of "gun play" to be moronic and unfun. Which, whatever, everyone's idea of fun is different and all that after school special crap. But I'm not interested in being forced into that playstyle just because the people who like it won't adapt to mine. I hate bunny hopping. It is silly, unrealistic, and in no way a practical way to advance on an enemy while firing a weapon. Same with side to side quick strafing. No one does this in reality, it is only in FPS's and I wish it too could die in New Eden.
wow... not sure if serious...
Have you played any FPS before? This is pretty much the heart of most FPS... who can outstrafe the other guy, or jump, or crouch the best. If you gonna stand still, then you're almost guaranteed to die first.
Even in one of the most tactical FPS out there, CS, people strafe. Sure you strafe, stop, shoot, strafe, repeat.
Anyway, back to the topic. Anyone who disagrees with wanting an infantry only Ambush playlist is one of those "beast tankers" farming kills.
|
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
776
|
Posted - 2013.03.12 19:17:00 -
[3] - Quote
Fox Gaden wrote:Eventually people will finish optimizing their primary fits and start skilling into their AV fits. Then the Tank dynamic will change a bit.
Who cares. Doesn't matter cuz who's going to spawn with their AV stuff only to get mowed down by infantry following the tank around.
Simple solution to the tank spam that is Ambush is to create a gun on gun infantry only Ambush gamemode. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
777
|
Posted - 2013.03.12 19:19:00 -
[4] - Quote
Severus Smith wrote:Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote:Severus Smith wrote:Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:This is the fundamental disagreement behind this issue, I think. I'm a person that couldn't give a good gorram about "gun play". To me there are plenty of things other than assault rifles that contribute to the fun. In fact I find the circle-strafing and bunny-hopping of "gun play" to be moronic and unfun.
Which, whatever, everyone's idea of fun is different and all that after school special crap. But I'm not interested in being forced into that playstyle just because the people who like it won't adapt to mine. I hate bunny hopping. It is silly, unrealistic, and in no way a practical way to advance on an enemy while firing a weapon. Same with side to side quick strafing. No one does this in reality, it is only in FPS's and I wish it too could die in New Eden. yea everyone should stand still like statues and shoot each other in the face until one dies. Sounds fun. Because removing bunny hopping = standing still. Go watch our military units (Seals, Recon, hell any unit at all) advance / retreat in combat. None of them jump up and down like morons while advancing and firing. Doing this is ridiculous, unrealistic, and would cause you to fall over due to recoil / losing your balance. It's stupid, and the only reason it exists is because the controls allow it. Just make it so you can either jump or fire. Not both.
are you for real with this "real life" crap? In case you haven't noticed, this is a game. Want to play real life games join the army. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
777
|
Posted - 2013.03.12 19:30:00 -
[5] - Quote
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:are you for real with this "real life" crap? In case you haven't noticed, this is a game. Want to play real life games join the army. There's "suspension of disbelief for the sake of balance" and there's "completely immersion breakingly ridiculous." Dropsuits and spaceships and giant lasers from the sky fall into the former category because, while impossible, they at least fit into the theme of the universe where they're set. Circle-strafing and bunny-hopping are the latter, because they don't fit into any universe. That said, I haven't the foggiest idea what would help to fix it. Cover mechanics don't work in a game where it takes this many bullets to die.
So being completely sci-fi is alright, but people using tactics to avoid bullets doesn't belong?
Wow... what FPS have people been playing since forever? As far as I know, all the best ones, and most successful FPS has some form of strafing, and some even jumping.
I can't even tell you go back to CoD...because that has strafing as well...and jumping... go back to Mario Bros? |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
781
|
Posted - 2013.03.12 22:58:00 -
[6] - Quote
Jathniel wrote:Nope. Don't turn Dust into Quake. Nor CS. Those were good games in their own right, but no. Those games functioned the way they did because of the hardware limitations of their times. People made the best of it. Comical bunny-hoping and strafing. Bullets coming at you, that you could "Neo" yourself around. That gameplay just doesn't match Dust, imo. Imagine how pathetic it would look if you could do that to a tank... (Stupidity starts at 3:50, watch Solid Snake jog himself to a victory.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnVvOQ0VtDMlol... No infantry-only game modes, where they can go into their own little world and make ISK and SP from. Who the hell would "realistically" issue a contract for that? lol Doesn't fit the game. Just make a Corp HQ arena, where folks can run around and fight their little ARs. Let them bet money on who would win. ...infantry-only game mode.... lol Imagine, "I play Dust, but I only do infantry-only Ambush. because folks that use tanks and vehicles are gay." The game would break, because now every AR user and his mom would run there for the sake of ease. Bad move to make a game mode like this.
Well...there are people that specialize in only infantry stuff...
I don't understand why not have an only infantry ambush...what's the problem with having only gun on gun action and not worrying about some lame ass in an LAV running over people or some leet tanker with his buddies spamming tanks.
|
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
781
|
Posted - 2013.03.12 23:42:00 -
[7] - Quote
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote: I know you probably are opposed to the idea as you most likely are one of the individuals who drops a tank at the start of an ambush knowing it will be nearly impossible for anyone to destroy you. Its fun for you, and I understand why you would not want to actually put your precious investment in any sort of danger, but it ruins the game mode for the rest of us. Here we encounter fundamental issue #2 with this discussion: the myth of the invincible HAV. I do like that your mental image of me is that I'm just trololo-ing through the map mowing down enemy troops with impunity. I'm not going to bother pointing out how easy it is to kill a HAV with any reasonable amount of AV. You'd just say some crap about how you shouldn't have to deal with that. Let's instead talk about why vehicles are necessary. You see, there are a lot of games out there, those crappy generic FPSes. Call of Duty, and all of its clones. You're more than welcome to those. You can be as infantry only as your heart desires there, because they're not like DUST. DUST is a sandbox. This will be especially true if (as I dearly hope) they implement an open world structure. Even if they don't, they've discussed in at least one video 5km by 5km maps and have hinted at internal tests of 64v64 players. Can you imagine trying to fight on a 25 square kilometer map with only infantry? It'd take you fifteen minutes just to find one enemy. You're going to need vehicles to get around at that point. HAVs are going to be an important strategic piece in those games. At best you'll be shooting yourself in the foot by developing bad habits fighting without them. At worst you'll be stifling those game modes by channeling all the infantry into your silly infantry-only matches. Then we just have another Call of Duty clone. TL;DR: this isn't Call of Duty, vehicles are here to stay and you're either going to have to deal with them or die to them.
I'm sorry, maybe I'm in a bad mood, but I just have to say, you're a ******* idiot. Nobody's arguing the importance of vehicles. People just want to play Ambush, a game mode on small maps with no objectives, with only infantry.
You think I'm scared of tanks? I hunt tanks in Skirmish. I go out of my way to kill them, and I take on like it's my job. Is it such a big problem that people want an infantry only game mode??!! |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
781
|
Posted - 2013.03.12 23:46:00 -
[8] - Quote
SILENTSAM 69 wrote:No! That is a bad Movado.
Never add restrictions, if anything lift restrictions.
Sandbox games do not benefit from adding restrictions.
I guess taking off the limit on vehicles allowed on the map is a good idea too...GG |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
896
|
Posted - 2013.03.21 21:39:00 -
[9] - Quote
bacon blaster wrote:To people complaining that this is unfair or that doesn't work for me: This is a game based on war and pvp. Gaining the unfair advantage is entirely what those two things are about.
I grant you, almost no one starts off an ambush with av gear, but the second a tank starts raking in heads, people do actually bring it out. If you find that, after the tank is down, you are no longer useful, adapt. Try an smg, or forge sniping. Or, just go feed the other side a kill and spawn a new suit. It's not that hard.
For those who are complaining that they want an infantry experience: try playing without dropping some vehicles. You will get a boots on the ground experience. And, when you come up against armor, you will either run and cower, or you will get at it with some av.
If you can't adapt to a non-CoD type game, then go play something else. This is NOT CALL OF DUTY. Get over it.
here we go, another idiot referencing CoD.
You people really don't get the point huh?! We're talking about adding ANOTHER GAME MODE, and not just making it THE ONLY GAME MODE.
People should have a choice in regards to what they want to play. Being a FPS, infantry vs infantry is CORE gameplay. Nobody is saying tanks shouldn't be in the game. People like me are just asking for a infantry vs infantry game mode.
Honestly, get this comparing CoD crap out of here. Don't think anyone here takes that crappy ass game seriously. I come from a BF background, and tanking is what I used to do until I got bored with it. Thankfully BF has a mixture of maps to suit different playstyles and roles.
DUST doesn't offer that choice. Is offering more choices to players such a bad idea? You people really think it's that bad an option? Wow... this community is becoming a joke if you can't see the importance of having that choice. |
|
|
|