I think Scout and Heavies are getting annoyed, because Assaults are not longer an easy target.......

When i 1st started my Assault class, was a horrible experience, just target practice for Heavies and shotgun scouts. Now after "millions" of SP invested on it, i starting to hold my ground against them.

Like CCP will say ;

HTFU !!!!!

Ever fired a real rifle? I think they are under powered. 100m is nothing. My AK shoots 3" groups at 150.

I think Scout and Heavies are getting annoyed, because Assaults are not longer an easy target.......

When i 1st started my Assault class, was a horrible experience, just target practice for Heavies and shotgun scouts. Now after "millions" of SP invested on it, i starting to hold my ground against them.

Like CCP will say ;

HTFU !!!!!

Alright alright, I know what you're thinking but hear me out for a second.

I'd just like to start off by saying that I was against nerfing, fixing, tweaking or doing anything to the Assault Rifles - until today.

I set up my sniper rifle and line up for the shot and (I checked the range first as I make an effort to record my distances) at 102m (SERIOUSLY!) I was shot and -almost- killed by an assault rifle.

Sharpshooter 5 + Sharpshooter Proficiency 5.... Even with that, the assault rifle landing shots at 100+m is a little ridiculous.

Little irritated with the fact that I didn't spec into them now, knowing that they do the highest damage in the game (per round) at that insane amount of range.

40 - 50m is one thing but effectively doubling the range seems a bit ridiculous. Just saying.

Well if the Assault Rifle is meant to be a mid/long range weapon (which it's not.. It's a ******* blaster.. It's supposed to have the shortest range...) where's the competition for the 80-100+ m range?

Laser Rifle - Which a good portion fo the community thinks is OP despite it not having any spread (making it a 100% skill weapon) and skills that don't work - at all.

Sniper Rifle - Does it's job well, as is the case with my story. I ran 11/1 in the match that I brought this issue up using the Sniper Rifle and it was solely because the enemy was tight-knit and working together with (you guessed it) Assault Rifles.

The only other weapons that hit out to 100m are Anti-Vehicle Weapons, which aren't dependable for infantry combat.

So the only frakking thing you can do about it is use those two weapons, in which you sacrifice your close range capability.

The assault rifle does NOT sacrifice close range capability and has absolutely no drawbacks to it's use. Where's the balance here?

-Eye roll-

As far my needing to be a better sniper - that's entirely based on opinion. I lived through this event and we were victorious, I had a 10 - 1 KDR and my isk lost was remarkably favorable by comparison if I had gone a front-line unit. You can't base "needing to be a better sniper" on the range of the fact; it's the shot that matters.

I'm not going to lie, it surprised the absolute hell of out me that he was even landing shots at 100m but to go so far as almost killing me with those shots is pushing my skepticism.

A real world rifle -IS- accurate at distances beyond 400-500 yards, that's true, but it's not firing 12.5 rounds a second when it's doing that. There IS such a thing as recoil and thats where it starts to be a video game.

If my real-world comparisons are not credible, neither are yours.

Honestly if this is the "short range" assault rifle, I don't care to play this game when the Caldari Rifle and/or the Scrambler Rifle enter play as Amarrians have -always- had more range than Gallente with some really well balanced damage, but since this is the basis then this game is going to absolutely suck.

Just saying, we don't see people specializing in weapons like Nova Knives because it's too inconveniencing. You see a few people specializing in the Laser Rifle but not nearly as much because there are DRAWBACKS to using it and having that kind of damage output.

The HMG? Same thing. Absolutely insane reload time and just to be able to use the damned thing you are -required- to play a Heavy.

Shotgun? You have to get up close and you don't have that much in the lines of ammunition.

This game is turning into ARs and MDs. We need to INFLUENCE Specialization and Diversity, NOT cliche FPS mechanics that are outright boring.

Edit: A -GALLENTE- Assault Rifle should have range about the same as the Submachine Gun being as the SMG is Minmatar in design - it's MEANT to have higher range than Hybrid Blaster technology. If this gun is spewing out plasma and dishing out loads of damage (which it is) it needs to act like it and have the drawbacks of a Blaster. If you want to hit at 80-100m, it should be necessary to use a different weapon... Liiiiike a Caldari Rifle, which probably will go off of railgun tech being as they're known for their range engagements.

But this isn't a real rifle. This is gun that's supposed to fire short range bursts plasma. I wish ccp would make the sound effects a bit more sci-fi and change the name to the "hybrid rifle" so people don't expect the gun to work like a real rifle.

The minmater rifle will be a "real" gun so I'd expect it to function analogous to a modern day rifle. But this is not that gun.

-- snip of QQ about getting his PP whacked and it was just so unfair -- Just QQ

So, you are saying you are Exactly like every other QQ Kitten out there whining for a Nerf because One AR Shot You Once and it Almost Killed You?

Ah, poor QQ Kitten.

Sniper Rifles should not be able to even target anything under 200 meters. Unless the Sniper in question is a QQ Kitten and those should only be allowed to target at 231.5 meters Exactly. Facing WNW. On Even Grid lines.

Need I go on, QQ Kitten?

HTFU.

Thank you.

To all of the people defending this: there should be a trade-off to the absolutely RIDICULOUS amounts of damage the Assault Rifle puts out, and range should be one of them. Blasters have the highest damage and lowest range in Eve Online, there's absolutely no reason that an Assault Rifle (which can only be out DPSed by the HMG, and that's sketchy at best) should be able to have that much range and still dish out that much damage.

Contrary to popular belief, 100m is -FAR- in this game. The maps are honestly not that big, the largest only being 1.2km from one side to the other.

That's ONE SOLDIER being able to cover a tenth of the map by himself.

-Eye roll-

As far my needing to be a better sniper - that's entirely based on opinion. I lived through this event and we were victorious, I had a 10 - 1 KDR and my isk lost was remarkably favorable by comparison if I had gone a front-line unit. You can't base "needing to be a better sniper" on the range of the fact; it's the shot that matters.

I'm not going to lie, it surprised the absolute hell of out me that he was even landing shots at 100m but to go so far as almost killing me with those shots is pushing my skepticism.

A real world rifle -IS- accurate at distances beyond 400-500 yards, that's true, but it's not firing 12.5 rounds a second when it's doing that. There IS such a thing as recoil and thats where it starts to be a video game.

If my real-world comparisons are not credible, neither are yours.

Honestly if this is the "short range" assault rifle, I don't care to play this game when the Caldari Rifle and/or the Scrambler Rifle enter play as Amarrians have -always- had more range than Gallente with some really well balanced damage, but since this is the basis then this game is going to absolutely suck.

Just saying, we don't see people specializing in weapons like Nova Knives because it's too inconveniencing. You see a few people specializing in the Laser Rifle but not nearly as much because there are DRAWBACKS to using it and having that kind of damage output.

The HMG? Same thing. Absolutely insane reload time and just to be able to use the damned thing you are -required- to play a Heavy.

Shotgun? You have to get up close and you don't have that much in the lines of ammunition.

This game is turning into ARs and MDs. We need to INFLUENCE Specialization and Diversity, NOT cliche FPS mechanics that are outright boring.

Edit: A -GALLENTE- Assault Rifle should have range about the same as the Submachine Gun being as the SMG is Minmatar in design - it's MEANT to have higher range than Hybrid Blaster technology. If this gun is spewing out plasma and dishing out loads of damage (which it is) it needs to act like it and have the drawbacks of a Blaster. If you want to hit at 80-100m, it should be necessary to use a different weapon... Liiiiike a Caldari Rifle, which probably will go off of railgun tech being as they're known for their range engagements.

The AR has a role in this game and no one gives a **** that "It's a blaster and should only have 10 meter range in your mind". Stop trying to use "this is what its like in EvE" because ccp thought of that and decided on the AR we have.

I kill ****** snipers like you all the time that sit up high on a building thinking they are invisible ninjas. Then when they get shoot for sitting still in an open and obvious sniper camping spot they come to the forums and boo ******* who about it.

So glad I give a **** about Free Beers' thoughts, I really am.

Stop trying to turn the game into Assault Rifle/Mass Drivers Online and we won't have an issue, you've clamored to nerf everything else - hell, you've bitched about every single grenade type that ever existed so your credibility is **** poor as is.

Same ****, different thread: "Omfg he said something about Assault Rifles - must instantly disagree to this because it's all anyone uses."

Seriously. I have yet to see -one- person say jack of **** about the issue at hand, just QQing about what the hell I'm doing with a Sniper Rifle. You guys are cheeky, if anything. Answer my question: Where's the ******* drawback on the Assault Rifle, eh? Not a single response on that one yet, just more trolling from the Goonswarm of Dust 514.

Grow a pair of balls and answer the question if you feel that this magical weapon has such an important "role" - and yes, some of us do "give a ****" about it being a blaster because this -IS EVE ONLINE-. not Section 8.

Lock this thread. Done with this bullshit. Game shouldn't even be on the PS3 in the first place because of dumb ******* like this.

Dude, chill out and grow up.

The drawback to the assault rifle is so obvious people shouldn't have to tell you: it gets outperformed by nearly everything in every scenario at optimal.

- SMG at optimal will destroy you.
- HMG at optimal will destroy you.
- Sniper at optimal will destroy you.
- Shotgun at optimal will destroy you.

SO in case I need to spell it out further:

Any weapon in capable hands at optimal range will destroy you.

Did you even think that the guy shooting you may have had a TAR? Or that his proficiency was all maxed? Or that his proto suit was fitted with three complex damage mods? Get over yourself seriously, the AR is the workhorse because it excels slightly in all areas, whereas the others are niche weapons.

Before you respond, grow up a little and think about what I've said here, and post with a mature attitude that people will respect. None of this "**** you, grow some balls you ******* ****sucking ***hat!!!"

Because that makes you look like a moron.

If anything, consider that the light railguns in eve have 3 to 7 times (if i remember correctly) the range of their equivalent blaster, so wouldnt the ar's range be too short? No need to get so worked up about what the majority perfers

Dude, chill out and grow up.

The drawback to the assault rifle is so obvious people shouldn't have to tell you: it gets outperformed by nearly everything in every scenario at optimal.

- SMG at optimal will destroy you.
- HMG at optimal will destroy you.
- Sniper at optimal will destroy you.
- Shotgun at optimal will destroy you.

SO in case I need to spell it out further:

Any weapon in capable hands at optimal range will destroy you.

Did you even think that the guy shooting you may have had a TAR? Or that his proficiency was all maxed? Or that his proto suit was fitted with three complex damage mods? Get over yourself seriously, the AR is the workhorse because it excels slightly in all areas, whereas the others are niche weapons.

Before you respond, grow up a little and think about what I've said here, and post with a mature attitude that people will respect. None of this "**** you, grow some balls you ******* ****sucking ***hat!!!"

Because that makes you look like a moron.

Okay, new post, because the last one was needlessly confrontational...

The game mechanic concept of a primary utility weapon vs. secondary niche weapons is a proven and true game mechanism.

But that balance is TERRIBLY off-set in favor of the AR right now, mainly because of its range.
It doesn't just do what the niche weapons do. It does what the niche weapons do, BETTER than the niche weapons.
THAT is the problem.

The AR can snipe at practically sniper ranges. (Because red zones on maps were tightened. Severely damaging the sniper niche.)
The AR can dps on par with an HMG and SMG. (and the SMG is supposed to be a utility weapon as well!)
Really, only the shotgun can shut it down quickly at close range.

Combine this weapon with assault suits that are ridiculously tanky, (especially since they shield tank, the shields bounce back faster than armor), and you have an omnipotent class. That renders the niche weapons/classes completely obsolete both in usefulness and combat. (exception: Logi)
How many times have you heard the words: "Useless snipers." and "Just range and headshot the heavies."?
If those niche roles were doing their roles effectively, no one would say that.

The effectiveness of the niche roles is less about the player skill and more about how it's ALLOWED to deal with the Assault class.
If you're supposed to win up-close as a proto-heavy, but a proto-assault eats you alive, something is unbalanced.
If you take a ton of time to set-up a sniper shot, and have tons of sway and difficulty sniping a target at 100+ meters, but an AR can simply snipe that in an instant, something is unbalanced.

But you're saying it's NOT the AR. lol right....
I know a bunch of heavies that have dropped playing their class, because they are rendered useless in their niches, and simply perform better in the assault.
I'm a pinch close, to never sniping again, depending on how many more changes CCP makes to favor the Jesus the savior, almighty Assault Suit/Rifle.

Really, at this rate, there will be no niche roles to be played, if people keep fussing about them.

The niche roles/weapons are on a path to uselessness at higher levels, if the AR range is not addressed.