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RINON114 wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Free Beers wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

-Eye roll-

As far my needing to be a better sniper - that's entirely based on opinion. I lived through this event and we were victorious, I had a 10 - 1 KDR and my isk lost was remarkably favorable by comparison if I had gone a front-line unit. You can't base "needing to be a better sniper" on the range of the fact; it's the shot that matters.

I'm not going to lie, it surprised the absolute hell of out me that he was even landing shots at 100m but to go so far as almost killing me with those shots is pushing my skepticism.

A real world rifle -IS- accurate at distances beyond 400-500 yards, that's true, but it's not firing 12.5 rounds a second when it's doing that. There IS such a thing as recoil and thats where it starts to be a video game.

If my real-world comparisons are not credible, neither are yours.

Honestly if this is the "short range" assault rifle, I don't care to play this game when the Caldari Rifle and/or the Scrambler Rifle enter play as Amarrians have -always- had more range than Gallente with some really well balanced damage, but since this is the basis then this game is going to absolutely suck.

Just saying, we don't see people specializing in weapons like Nova Knives because it's too inconveniencing. You see a few people specializing in the Laser Rifle but not nearly as much because there are DRAWBACKS to using it and having that kind of damage output.

The HMG? Same thing. Absolutely insane reload time and just to be able to use the damned thing you are -required- to play a Heavy.

Shotgun? You have to get up close and you don't have that much in the lines of ammunition.

This game is turning into ARs and MDs. We need to INFLUENCE Specialization and Diversity, NOT cliche FPS mechanics that are outright boring.

Edit: A -GALLENTE- Assault Rifle should have range about the same as the Submachine Gun being as the SMG is Minmatar in design - it's MEANT to have higher range than Hybrid Blaster technology. If this gun is spewing out plasma and dishing out loads of damage (which it is) it needs to act like it and have the drawbacks of a Blaster. If you want to hit at 80-100m, it should be necessary to use a different weapon... Liiiiike a Caldari Rifle, which probably will go off of railgun tech being as they're known for their range engagements.

The AR has a role in this game and no one gives a **** that "It's a blaster and should only have 10 meter range in your mind". Stop trying to use "this is what its like in EvE" because ccp thought of that and decided on the AR we have.

I kill ****** snipers like you all the time that sit up high on a building thinking they are invisible ninjas. Then when they get shoot for sitting still in an open and obvious sniper camping spot they come to the forums and boo ******* who about it.

So glad I give a **** about Free Beers' thoughts, I really am.

Stop trying to turn the game into Assault Rifle/Mass Drivers Online and we won't have an issue, you've clamored to nerf everything else - hell, you've bitched about every single grenade type that ever existed so your credibility is **** poor as is.

Same ****, different thread: "Omfg he said something about Assault Rifles - must instantly disagree to this because it's all anyone uses."

Seriously. I have yet to see -one- person say jack of **** about the issue at hand, just QQing about what the hell I'm doing with a Sniper Rifle. You guys are cheeky, if anything. Answer my question: Where's the ******* drawback on the Assault Rifle, eh? Not a single response on that one yet, just more trolling from the Goonswarm of Dust 514.

Grow a pair of balls and answer the question if you feel that this magical weapon has such an important "role" - and yes, some of us do "give a ****" about it being a blaster because this -IS EVE ONLINE-. not Section 8.

Lock this thread. Done with this bullshit. Game shouldn't even be on the PS3 in the first place because of dumb ******* like this.

Dude, chill out and grow up.

The drawback to the assault rifle is so obvious people shouldn't have to tell you: it gets outperformed by nearly everything in every scenario at optimal.

- SMG at optimal will destroy you.
- HMG at optimal will destroy you.
- Sniper at optimal will destroy you.
- Shotgun at optimal will destroy you.

SO in case I need to spell it out further:

Any weapon in capable hands at optimal range will destroy you.

Did you even think that the guy shooting you may have had a TAR? Or that his proficiency was all maxed? Or that his proto suit was fitted with three complex damage mods? Get over yourself seriously, the AR is the workhorse because it excels slightly in all areas, whereas the others are niche weapons.

Before you respond, grow up a little and think about what I've said here, and post with a mature attitude that people will respect. None of this "**** you, grow some balls you ******* ****sucking ***hat!!!"

Because that makes you look like a moron.


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Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1233	Posted - 2013.03.13 18:06:00 - [1] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Alright alright, I know what you're thinking but hear me out for a second. I'd just like to start off by saying that I was against nerfing, fixing, tweaking or doing anything to the Assault Rifles - until today. I set up my sniper rifle and line up for the shot and (I checked the range first as I make an effort to record my distances) at 102m (SERIOUSLY!) I was shot and -almost- killed by an assault rifle. Sharpshooter 5 + Sharpshooter Proficiency 5.... Even with that, the assault rifle landing shots at 100+m is a little ridiculous. Little irritated with the fact that I didn't spec into them now, knowing that they do the highest damage in the game (per round) at that insane amount of range. 40 - 50m is one thing but effectively doubling the range seems a bit ridiculous. Just saying. Reducing the range on them would be a bit excessive. Blacklight: Retribution got around this by shortening optimal ranges, and having a 50% reduction to damage past the max range.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1242	Posted - 2013.03.15 02:19:00 - [2] - Quote RINON114 wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Free Beers wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: -Eye roll- As far my needing to be a better sniper - that's entirely based on opinion. I lived through this event and we were victorious, I had a 10 - 1 KDR and my isk lost was remarkably favorable by comparison if I had gone a front-line unit. You can't base "needing to be a better sniper" on the range of the fact; it's the shot that matters. I'm not going to lie, it surprised the absolute hell of out me that he was even landing shots at 100m but to go so far as almost killing me with those shots is pushing my skepticism. A real world rifle -IS- accurate at distances beyond 400-500 yards, that's true, but it's not firing 12.5 rounds a second when it's doing that. There IS such a thing as recoil and thats where it starts to be a video game. If my real-world comparisons are not credible, neither are yours. Honestly if this is the "short range" assault rifle, I don't care to play this game when the Caldari Rifle and/or the Scrambler Rifle enter play as Amarrians have -always- had more range than Gallente with some really well balanced damage, but since this is the basis then this game is going to absolutely suck. Just saying, we don't see people specializing in weapons like Nova Knives because it's too inconveniencing. You see a few people specializing in the Laser Rifle but not nearly as much because there are DRAWBACKS to using it and having that kind of damage output. The HMG? Same thing. Absolutely insane reload time and just to be able to use the damned thing you are -required- to play a Heavy. Shotgun? You have to get up close and you don't have that much in the lines of ammunition. This game is turning into ARs and MDs. We need to INFLUENCE Specialization and Diversity, NOT cliche FPS mechanics that are outright boring. Edit: A -GALLENTE- Assault Rifle should have range about the same as the Submachine Gun being as the SMG is Minmatar in design - it's MEANT to have higher range than Hybrid Blaster technology. If this gun is spewing out plasma and dishing out loads of damage (which it is) it needs to act like it and have the drawbacks of a Blaster. If you want to hit at 80-100m, it should be necessary to use a different weapon... Liiiiike a Caldari Rifle, which probably will go off of railgun tech being as they're known for their range engagements. The AR has a role in this game and no one gives a ** that "It's a blaster and should only have 10 meter range in your mind". Stop trying to use "this is what its like in EvE" because ccp thought of that and decided on the AR we have. I kill ** snipers like you all the time that sit up high on a building thinking they are invisible ninjas. Then when they get shoot for sitting still in an open and obvious sniper camping spot they come to the forums and boo *** who about it. So glad I give a about Free Beers' thoughts, I really am. Stop trying to turn the game into Assault Rifle/Mass Drivers Online and we won't have an issue, you've clamored to nerf everything else - hell, you've bitched about every single grenade type that ever existed so your credibility is poor as is. Same , different thread: "Omfg he said something about Assault Rifles - must instantly disagree to this because it's all anyone uses." Seriously. I have yet to see -one- person say jack of about the issue at hand, just QQing about what the hell I'm doing with a Sniper Rifle. You guys are cheeky, if anything. Answer my question: Where's the *** drawback on the Assault Rifle, eh? Not a single response on that one yet, just more trolling from the Goonswarm of Dust 514. Grow a pair of balls and answer the question if you feel that this magical weapon has such an important "role" - and yes, some of us do "give a " about it being a blaster because this -IS EVE ONLINE-. not Section 8. Lock this thread. Done with this bullshit. Game shouldn't even be on the PS3 in the first place because of dumb *** like this. Dude, chill out and grow up. The drawback to the assault rifle is so obvious people shouldn't have to tell you: it gets outperformed by nearly everything in every scenario at optimal. - SMG at optimal will destroy you. - HMG at optimal will destroy you. - Sniper at optimal will destroy you. - Shotgun at optimal will destroy you. SO in case I need to spell it out further: Any weapon in capable hands at optimal range will destroy you. Did you even think that the guy shooting you may have had a TAR? Or that his proficiency was all maxed? Or that his proto suit was fitted with three complex damage mods? Get over yourself seriously, the AR is the workhorse because it excels slightly in all areas, whereas the others are niche weapons. Before you respond, grow up a little and think about what I've said here, and post with a mature attitude that people will respect. None of this " you, grow some balls you *** sucking *hat!!!" Because that makes you look like a moron. Couldn't have said it better myself.